So are you trying to claim that Sony didn't pay for Tomb Raider exclusivity to keep the franchise off competing platforms following the release of the first game?
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So are you trying to claim that Sony didn't pay for Tomb Raider exclusivity to keep the franchise off competing platforms following the release of the first game?
Yoboman
Member
They didn't buy an IP and developer and claim full ownership of something they didn't create in perpetuity
Youre the ones trying to equate the two and the best goal post shift you can do is a 25 year old timed exclusivity agreement?
GhostOfTsu
Banned
None, their whole argument falls apart.
They keep mentioning Street Fighter and Final Fantasy Remake (the rest is on everything) but they skip the 360 generation when MS did the exact same thing or worst with Bioshock, Mass Effect, Tales of Vesperia, GTA 4 DLC, COD, Skyrim, Oblivion and more.
Hypocrites
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Final Fantasy 16.
0 years ago.
Street Fighter V
less than 6 years ago.
I mean if you wanted more recent examples.. I only used the Tomb Raider example to demonstrate that Sony has done this for years.
lastmessiah
Member
Who cares? They would if they could. But they can't. And Microsoft can. So they did. Reality.
If you want something more recent Sony has been paying to keep the Xbox and PC versions of Call of Duty incomplete every year, after they did it with Destiny before. Destiny had exclusive Strikes (levels) that were only on PlayStation, and now Call of Duty ships with entire game modes not in the Xbox or PC version because Sony pays to keep that content off other platforms.
GhostOfTsu
Banned
MS did the exact same thing or worst with Bioshock, Mass Effect, Tales of Vesperia, GTA 4 DLC, COD, Skyrim, Oblivion and more.
Why do you always skip that?
ChiefDada
Gold Member
While I agree that Microsoft doesn't reach monopoly with this transaction, the deal does increase Microsoft's influence in the gaming industry. This can (and likely will) result in contract terms that are more favorable to Microsoft and its gaming audience. Strong influence via sizeable marketshare is one of the main reasons why Sony has been able to secure favorable contracts with third party devs. In this case, Microsoft obviously doesn't have the player base to command influence, so they play to their strength (financial capital) and purchase publishers outright to reach the same end.
Yoboman
Member
Again, you brought up all the devs Sony bought - not me. Why do you keep shifting the goal posts instead of answering the question?
And to your point, Sony didn't invent paying for DLC exclusives - MS did with GTA and COD on 360
Yoboman
Member
Sony have bought plenty of devs - they've always bought ones they already make games with. They aren't out there buying devs to get their IPs to fill gaps cause they couldn't do it themselves
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SenjutsuSage
Banned
Dude, hush that mouth lol.
Mass Effect was funded fully by Microsoft. They were the original publishers of Mass Effect with Bioware before Bioware's parent company was purchased by EA, which is what made the franchise go multi-plat. That wasn't some moneyhat timed deal or timed exclusive. It was a full Xbox exclusive published by Microsoft, and it's sequel would have also been exclusive had EA not purchased Bioware's parent company, thus creating a situation where Microsoft and EA worked something out.
The franchise exists because Microsoft and Xbox funded it. You can thank Xbox for that lol.
COD 2 launched with 360 when PS3 wasn't even released yet till a whole year later. COD4 launched on both consoles simultaneously. GTA 4 released simultaneously on PS3 and 360. The ballad of gay tony DLC isn't the same as a whole game, and it came to PS3 6 months later. Skyrim also launched simultaneously on PS3 and 360.
Oblivion released March 2006, PS3 wasn't even a launched console yet till November 2006...
Dude, do you even do any damn research before you say thing?
Bioshock also released simultaneously on PS3 and 360. You must not have been born back then or something to get all of this so wrong. How old are you? Tales of Vesperia, yes, that one was a timed deal for Xbox 360.
lastmessiah
Member
Sucks for them, then. Let's see how they fill the gaps now.
darrylgorn
Member
The default position needs to be better than 'they can't keep getting away with this'.
DarkMage619
$MSFT
You are completely correct. MS actually owns the IP rights for Doom, Elder Scrolls, and soon Call of Duty. They also took on full responsibility for the development of those titles. MS improved a title after they bought a studio, see Psychonauts 2. MS also makes the IP they own available on multiple platforms and don't require anyone to actually buy an Xbox at all.
Sony simply paid a 3rd party to keep IP they don't own off another platform. There is no evidence Sony made those games any better only blocked it. There has been no time limit to Sony's moves either. When is Street Fighter 5 hitting Xbox? How about FF16? This is nothing like the Medium or even S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2 where it is clear when it will hit PS5. Very different cases indeed.
Riky
$MSFT
Also MS when they buy a studio and publisher actually start paying for the development of the game and decide future installments of those franchises and fund them.
Whilst deals like KOTOR and FFVII remake are just paying to stop other console owners getting the game.
Big difference.
DJ12
Member
Like MS never money hatted something to stop it being on other consoles.
You're acting as if MS's shit don't stink.
You even mention a game that this actually happened with FFS, talk about irony.
Also, from what I have seen (admittedly in Sony sponsored videos rofl), KotoR is getting lots of help from Sony first parties, so find better material for your tropes.
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Swift_Star
Banned
Flip? There's a revisionist post saying it's sony's fault MS bought A/B. lmao.
Edgelord79
Gold Member
I don't think you understand how this works.
Yoboman
Member
Bioshock came out a year after on PS3. All of the GTA, Skyrim, and COD DLC came out exclusive to 360 first and then PS3 6-12 months later
Swift_Star
Banned
Let's refresh some memories, shall we?
Timed exclusive Tomb Raider deal cost Microsoft $100 million
A price has been put on the cost of making Rise Of The Tomb Raider an Xbox exclusive for a year - and it isn’t cheap.
metro.co.uk
Hitchyhero
Banned
Could not have put it better myself
Swift_Star
Banned
Both stances are anti-consumer. The big difference here is that MS's actions are eternal while sony's are timed. There's no white knight in this fight. I don't know why people keep trying to spin this. Do you want to be able to feel good about this acquisition? Go ahead, but don't expect everyone to be on board with this. MS SHOULD and WILL face more and more scrutiny, it's only fair.
GhostOfTsu
Banned
Wrong. You should check your dates. Mass Effect 2 was timed-exclusive, same for Bioshock. For COD, GTA and Skyrim I meant the exclusive DLC on 360.
I thought Sony was the devil for doing it with COD? MS did it too.
Morrowind was exclusive and Oblivion was timed-exclusive + Skyrim DLC. Todd Howard said it himself in this interview so you can keep your lies to yourself.
Elder Scrolls 6 being an Xbox exclusive is “hard to imagine”, says Todd Howard
The Skyrim and Fallout director also says future games will have their platform decided on a "case-by-case" basis
www.pcgamesn.com
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Take2 was worth $18 billion before they bought zynga for $12 billion. They might go for $40 billion now. MS can make that back in 6 months.
They literally paid for the purchase by buying shares at the price Activision board asked for. Activision put their price way above the current market trading price.
bushwookie
Banned
This sums it up basically.
Sony has engaged in similar behavior before. Was it EXACTLY the same as MS acquiring whole publishers? No, but that's almost certainly only because Sony can't afford to operate in that space.
It's laughable the amount of flip flopping this whole ordeal is causing. The long repeated narrative by many was that MS was largely irrelevant in the gaming industry. Any data that suggested otherwise was always quickly discredited, or came with unusual caveats in order to decrease it's relevance. "MAUs don't count", "It's all about the profit... Not revenue", It's not about power, it's about games", "MS warchest is a myth", Just because MS has money doesn't mean Xbox does", Xbox only loses money", etc...
Every single time one of the narratives is proven false, those that have been repeating them flop like a fish out of water until they inevitably land on another narrative to push. It's entertaining to watch each and every time. Watching the same people going from explaining how irrelevant MS is in gaming to explaining how MS is a monopoly overnight is the kind of comedy that money can't buy.
dcmk7
Banned
That's pretty fucked up.
Hitchyhero
Banned
Cool. So both sides do it. What's your argument. Its only good when Sony do it but not Ms?
LimanimaPT
Member
70.000.000.000
Is this the number? There's no hope for humanity...
Is this the number? There's no hope for humanity...
Yoboman
Member
Only MS is buying publishers
Neofire
Member
It's Trolling at this point to be honest. Last I checked Sony didn't buy Square Enix or Crystal Dynamics.
Goalus
Member
Sony can no longer steal CoD DLC.
aside from the fact the exclusivity for a major JRPG franchise is pretty much a non-starter for MS since the console was non-existent in Japan, the intense fury generated after they paid for one year exclusivity for Tomb Raider scared them away from such moves.
Would you like it if someone reversed the argument and told you Sony should have simply outbid MS for Bethesda?
Hitchyhero
Banned
... that are for sale. They are organising the publisher, choosing what games for its developers to develop, and funding it. I don't see the issue?
Imo that's much better than paying a publisher to keep content away from a competitor console. That's not adding value anywhere. Sony has been doing that a lot lately, but yes, MS has done that before, and Its not right either of them doing it.
Edgelord79
Gold Member
Of course they did. There is an argument to be made that the current price is not true market price and is artificially affected based on the scandals. They probably looked over the last year and saw that it was at one point over $100 billion.
They didn't overpay because Microsoft felt that those shares should probably be worth more than $95/per share. Hoeg Law mentions this in one of his episodes I believe.
All on all, the price paid is actually quite reasonable.
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Yoboman
Member
MS is shrinking the market rather than expanding it. Instead of building their own collection of studios that can compete with Activision and give more choice to gamers, they just buy them and limit the platforms
It is reducing competition in the market and weakening the third party space even further
Goalus
Member
They had to do that to stop Sony from stealing CoD DLC.
It's Sony's fault that this is happening.
GhostOfTsu
Banned
Was MS trying to "kill Playstation" with these timed-exclusive? That's what I've been reading all week. Evil Sony tried to kill Xbox with SFV, Final Fantasy and COD DLC. That's why they had to buy 2 publishers. Turns out they did the same thing but no one talks about it.
Can you tell your boys M ManaByte ,
SenjutsuSage
and all the Twitter warriors that timed-exclusive are cool now. MS started it.Mana disappeared again since he lost the argument lol
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
It can be argued they are expanding the market. Just got to give it some time. None of the Activision or Bethesda games have been cut off yet.
And with MS big on xcloud, if that takes off (I think only about 100 games are on xcloud) you'll get a shitload of mobile gamers who can jump in. Sony's reach is only as far as it's console base. And that base hasn't increased in 25 years. PS1 was already at 100M 25 years ago and PS2 was 150M.
The console base between Nintendo, MS and Sony over the generations hasnt grown one bit. IN fact, it's dropped since the total console+handhelds is lower than the 360/PS3 era. What's helped them is giant mtx money and digital cuts. But if console gaming was still heavy into disc sales and mtx never caught on, it would be worse. Growth in mobile and PC the past 20 years blew past them.
Growth is in mobile. And out of the big 3 console makers only MS is trying to get that market. And according to the pie graph people post here every once in a while, mobile is bigger than all console makers combined. I think it was about 50% of gaming. So it's as big as all console and PC combined.
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saintjules
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DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
The thing is activision wanted to be bought. They were fucked and started shopping themselves around. They approached MS to be bought as we'll as Facebook and more. So, someone was going to buy them and we sure as shit didn't want it to be google or apple or Facebook.
This wasn't microsoft headhunting a publisher, it was Bobby Kotick securing the bag for his golden parachute because he knew he was fucked.
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Hitchyhero
Banned
Again, they were for sale. They wanted to sell. You'd rather Apple or Amazon buy them? MS was approached (amongst others) and thought the cost was worth it.
Yes, they are building their collection of studios. They all fall under Ms gaming followed by their respective publisher.
At least with MS the games are on various platforms. At the moment, that is PC, Xbox, mobile, and soon to be TVs when apps start releasing. If PS is happy for gamepass to go on their platform, then they can also have it. Imo, that is way better than any console maker has done when they buy studios and release them solely one console.
Can you name another console maker who buys studios and then releases their games on more than 3 platforms?
I already know the answer to that question... But hey.... MS bad, Sony good. Some people really need to enjoy gaming outside the PS bubble. PlayStation is a great console with great games but I never get the defence force for Sony.
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Banjo64
cumsessed
Some scoop that, I read within an hour of the announcement that Sony's promotional deal for CoD expired in 2023.
HeisenbergFX4
Member
Who knows what going to happen in 2024. Would be a good time to stop the yearly releases and pick back up in 2025 and honestly not worried about what happens that far out in regards to gaming
Swift_Star
Banned
One of those things is not like the others.
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Swift_Star
Banned
You don't expand a market by buying the competition.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Yup.
At least MS gives options. Let's face it. If Sony or Nintendo buy a studio everyone knows it's not making any games for any other platform. At best, you get a Mario Run mobile game or 4 year old PC ports of a handful of PS games. That's it.
Check out Insomniacs game list. They actually have made a slew of small titles and PC VR games for years. The second they get bought by Sony in 2019, everything came to a grinding halt. Right away, it's PS Marvel games and that's it.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Big mistake by MS honoring older contracts. By 2023, we would be half way through the gen with Sony around 50 million sold. Warzone 2 especially is going to be a big driver since its F2P.
If you are spending $70 billion, you gotta get shit like this done. Like wtf is the point of buying cod if you are going to let the next three games be on Playstation? Throw in another billion. Maybe a hooker. Get this shit done now.
The only way to get ahead of this is announcing today that it wont be exclusive past 2023 so go and buy the xss today if you want to keep playing cod after 2023.
If you are spending $70 billion, you gotta get shit like this done. Like wtf is the point of buying cod if you are going to let the next three games be on Playstation? Throw in another billion. Maybe a hooker. Get this shit done now.
The only way to get ahead of this is announcing today that it wont be exclusive past 2023 so go and buy the xss today if you want to keep playing cod after 2023.
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