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[Bernkastel]

I'm with you.

Microsoft could fully transition to third party publisher and release a Playstation Gamepass version with only Microsoft studio games. They would have a chance of increasing their sub counts and I'm sure Sony wouldn't mind getting the 30% cut, just like they do with EA Play.

MS's end goal is being hardware agnostic so yeah that's a reason they would do that. That's not Sony's goal, or if it is then they'll fail.

This isn't fanboy shit. No one is expecting MS to do anything

If they want to be a multiplat publisher then go all the way. Making CoD multiplat while leaving Starfield exclusive makes no sense, and if this was to appease the regulators then the regulators will simply point to starfield and ask the same questions we are asking here. "Why CoD and not starfield?", "Are you just saying it to get the deal through?"

Someone explain these wannabe hopium filled armchair investors that Microsoft's gaming division(due to the existence of its own gaming platform) generates more revenue than the entirety of Activision Blizzad(and a big portion of that is just Candy Crush and COD mobile). All these "won't leave money in the table" posts and people think they will abandon their own biggest stream of revenue?

Let's get one thing clear.
- this is what you HOPE happens
- this is not necessarily what will happen.
Just to be sure.

So is this what you hope happens?

Like I said: The future is clear, MS is going full multiplat. There's nothing you can do about it.

These posters need to understand that you need to be in a Dreamcast situation to even think of abandoning a successful gaming platform. Worse, Dreamcast didn't even have a successful online store where they took 30% cut with all transactions.

Just let them have COD, the rest can be exclusive.

Sadly people are trying to pretend its something beyond that covers all ActiBliz and Zenimax IPs.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Someone explain these wannabe hopium filled armchair investors that Microsoft's gaming division(due to the existence of its own gaming platform) generates more revenue than the entirety of Activision Blizzad(and a big portion of that is just Candy Crush and COD mobile). All these "won't leave money in the table" posts and people think they will abandon their own biggest stream of revenue?

What does that have to do with my post? I'm not saying they're leaving money on the table. I'm saying their goal is game pass everywhere which would include PS if Sony allowed it

 

[Exanthus]

Someone explain these wannabe hopium filled armchair investors that Microsoft's gaming division(due to the existence of its own gaming platform) generates more revenue than the entirety of Activision Blizzad(and a big portion of that is just Candy Crush and COD mobile). All these "won't leave money in the table" posts and people think they will abandon their own biggest stream of revenue?

So is this what you hope happens?

These posters need to understand that you need to be in a Dreamcast situation to even think of abandoning a successful gaming platform. Worse, Dreamcast didn't even have a successful online store where they took 30% cut with all transactions.

Sadly people are trying to pretend its something beyond that covers all ActiBliz and Zenimax IPs.

I agree.
Its pretty obvious the only doing this for COD, where Zenimax comes into it I have no idea, we have already gone over it 1000 times that they are going to be exclusive.

 

[lastmessiah]

L lastmessiah

You okay bro? Worried you might be inhaling too much copium with all those lol emojis you're giving me

I'm doing fine, thanks. Just enjoying a cold beer and laughing at your posts.

 

[Swift_Star]

Someone explain these wannabe hopium filled armchair investors that Microsoft's gaming division(due to the existence of its own gaming platform) generates more revenue than the entirety of Activision Blizzad(and a big portion of that is just Candy Crush and COD mobile). All these "won't leave money in the table" posts and people think they will abandon their own biggest stream of revenue?

So is this what you hope happens?

These posters need to understand that you need to be in a Dreamcast situation to even think of abandoning a successful gaming platform. Worse, Dreamcast didn't even have a successful online store where they took 30% cut with all transactions.

Sadly people are trying to pretend its something beyond that covers all ActiBliz and Zenimax IPs.

You clearly don't understand the direction MS is going.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

I'm really confused right now. Why do these people think it's easy for companies to lie and screw regulators and the government over? What do y'all think this is? MS is not more powerful than the government and they can't have it their own way. Lots of companies got screwed over for breaking the law. MS can and will get fucked if they lie.
Like I said before, this is no joke, people aren't playing here.

You're confused because you falsely think that Microsoft releasing COD 2024 only for Xbox and PC would be "lying to regulators". You've been misled.

 

[Bernkastel]

What does that have to do with my post? I'm not saying they're leaving money on the table. I'm saying their goal is game pass everywhere which would include PS if Sony allowed it

Putting Game Pass on a competing platform means they will port all their first party titles to that platform. Aka no reason to enter their platform. Hence Game Pass exists only through the cloud outside of PC/Xbox, hence xCloud only appears through web browser in iOS. You are saying they will be "hardware agnostic" but they clearly are not in a desperate situation to go the Sega route.

You clearly don't understand the direction MS is going.

Constructing a reasonable sentence by combining some words does not make it a statement. You still have not given a single reason to explain why a platform holder would consider abandoning their platform and going third party a better business decision except for just channeling your own wish and blaming others for not taking your word for it.

 

[reksveks]

You clearly don't understand the direction MS is going.

Microsoft wants to become a third party publisher on consoles. They also wants to also fight Apple's and Google's control of the mobile app distribution via 'proxy battles'?

I don't think your theory makes sense really.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Putting Game Pass on a competing platform means they will port all their first party titles to that platform. Aka no reason to enter their platform. Hence Game Pass exists only through the cloud outside of PC/Xbox, hence xCloud only appears through web browser in iOS. You are saying they will be "hardware agnostic" but they clearly are not in a desperate situation to go the Sega route.

Gamepass is supposed to be their main gaming platform going forward, no? I don't think it'd be out of desperation either. I think it just better aligns with their strategy where its easier to just sell the service to an established user base instead of trying to poach that established user base over to your hardware platform and then sell your service.

 

[reksveks]

Gamepass is supposed to be their main gaming platform going forward, no?

No, the platform is the MS store and GamePass is the BOGOF deal is to get you in the store.

 

[Leyasu]

Oh, you think regulators can't separate companies? If they get caught, they'll get screwed. This is no joke.

The regulators are not going to dictate which franchises must go where. The whole games staying on PlayStation and being interested in Nintendo which has caused the current clash of the fanboys was a footnote. The whole blog was more about their store. Which is what the regulators are interested in. They want to demonstrate that their store will be open.

Everyone has ignored the biggest part and focalised on a couple of games that the regulators won't give a flying fuck about. If franchises were something that concerned regulators, Star Wars would be everywhere

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

No, the platform is the MS store and GamePass is the BOGOF deal is to get you in the store.

The main money maker is in the sub revenue, not the store. That'll just be additional

 

[reksveks]

The money maker is in the sub revenue, not the store. That'll just be additional

It's not.

How much money does Sony make off dlc/mtx vs network services?

Why is Halo infinite MP free?
Why does both Minecraft and Flight Simulator have the ability to users to create and sell items in their respective games?

The play is simple and it's the same as Roblox or any app store. Make it easy for people to create games/items and take a cut from every transaction.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

It's not.

How much money does Sony make off dlc/mtx vs network services?

It is with the reach they're expecting game pass to have. The revenue will completely eclipse whatever they get from the Xbox store

 

[Jboemios]

Maybe the fact that multiple titles which were formerly on PS no longer are. I don't see anyone asking for Halo, for example. It's expected and was always on XBox and platforms of Microsoft's choosing. The same can't be said for AB and Zenimax titles.

Spiderman was always in xbox. Should sony release next spiderman games in xbox too?

 

[kingfey]

Thats because for far too long the govt has let these companies get away with everything. We have seen $80 billion mergers like AT&T and Time Warner go through before. We just saw Comcast fail to buy Fox for $50 billion only to have Disney buy it for $70 billion. And MS singlehandedly put every single competitor out of business in the 80s and 90s. In fact, they literally had to step in and save Apple from bankruptcy because they realized their monopolistic policies had gone too far.

I think the fact that the ARM Nvidia acquisition fell through should give people hope in the govt. Though that was mainly the UK regulators. I like this new Lina Khan chick. She is hated by Amazon and Facebook which means she isnt in the pocket of those tech companies like other govt regulators who come from Wallstreet and Tech industry backgrounds.

We were too young to remember this, but the govt once broke AT&T formerly Bell into several smaller companies back in the 80s. Thats what the govt can do. Sadly, things have changed since and AT&T required pretty much all of its sister spinoffs but govt is definitely allowed to break up big banks and monopolistic tech companies in theory.

FTC is having financial problems. They cant go and stop everything. They will need more $500m budget, which they are currently getting. They can only go deals, which will have more impact in the longer run.

 

[Mr Moose]

Spiderman was always in xbox. Should sony release next spiderman games in xbox too?

Activisions Spider-Man*

 

[reksveks]

We were too young to remember this, but the govt once broke AT&T formerly Bell into several smaller companies back in the 80s. Thats what the govt can do. Sadly, things have changed since and AT&T required pretty much all of its sister spinoffs but govt is definitely allowed to break up big banks and monopolistic tech companies in theory

They were also alot better funded in those days.

The FTC have spent half of their annual witness budget on the Meta case.

 

[Leyasu]

You clearly don't understand the direction MS is going.

Nor do you.

Microsoft will not give up their hardware and the full cut that comes with it. They will not give up their hardware and give Sony a monopoly. They will not give up their hardware and 30% of all of their revenue.

They might consider it in the future once they have a pc storefront that competes with steam.

 

[laynelane]

Spiderman was always in xbox. Should sony release next spiderman games in xbox too?

Marvel asked Sony to make a game and Sony funded it. If Marvel had stipulated it, perhaps Spiderman would still be on Xbox.

 

[cash_longfellow]

I don't want to say you were stupid to think otherwise, but you must have obviously skipped math one times too many.

One times too many equals 4, right?

 

[reksveks]

It is with the reach they're expecting game pass to have. The revenue will completely eclipse whatever they get from the Xbox store

Based off what numbers? Sony makes about 15bn off the store and 3.4bn off PSN.

To get 15bn from a subscription service is 1.25bn per month, assuming a 10 dollar arpu (PS plus is about 6), that's 125m users. GP is 25m and PS+ is 42m so you are assuming double the number of user's?

Its really not the play. Nadella really thinks xbox and Microsoft's long term vision as being one for creators and how Microsoft will monetize those creators is by having a storefront (https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/24/22549007/microsoft-windows-11-satya-nadella-remarks-apple).

It's not a subscription service.

 

[Jboemios]

Activisions Spider-Man*

The same can be said in this case. Now Activision is a first party to MS, so PS warriors should not be hypocrites asking for MS to still release their games in PS

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Based off what numbers? Sony makes about 15bn off the store and 3.4bn off PSN.

To get 15bn from a subscription service is 1.25bn per month, assuming a 10 dollar arpu (PS plus is about 6), that's 125m users. GP is 25m and PS+ is 42m so you are assuming double the number of user's?

Its really not the play. Nadella really thinks xbox and Microsoft's long term vision as being one for creators and how Microsoft will monetize those creators is by having a storefront (https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/24/22549007/microsoft-windows-11-satya-nadella-remarks-apple).

It's not a subscription service.

It is the play. That's what their whole access to billions of gamers mantra is about. Their focus on the app store is so they can get easier access to ios and the like. There were even rumors or something that Microsoft would make native apps for apple. Don't see why they wouldn't be interested in the same thing with PS

 

[Craig of War]

The Green Rats were saying the same thing about COD just last week. You never know what will happen in 2026+ when ES6 comes out. The industry is changing real fast.

Not that I care either way before you accuse me of port-begging or whatever is the new catch phrase you guys use.

GAAS will go multiplat but single player game will not
by your logic God of War & Spiderman & Last of Us & Horizon & Ratchet & Uncharted will come to Xbox by 2026 right lol

 

[Mr Moose]

The same can be said in this case. Now Activision is a first party to MS, so PS warriors should not be hypocrites asking for MS to still release their games in PS

Oh yeah, I forgot Activision made Marvels Spider-Man on PS4/5.
What?

 

[Craig of War]

No one is talking about Starfield.

This dude be trolling at this point he says Xbox will go third party and put all their games on Playstation but when you show him proof they are not he says no one talking bout Starfield

 

[Jboemios]

Oh yeah, I forgot Activision made Marvels Spider-Man on PS4/5.
What?

Dont be stupid. I am talking of PS warriors asking for MS to still release Actvision-Bethesda games in PS. You can still have for yourself the spiderman games. We dont need it

 

[Swift_Star]

Microsoft wants to become a third party publisher on consoles. They also wants to also fight Apple's and Google's control of the mobile app distribution via 'proxy battles'?

I don't think your theory makes sense really.

You also don't understand what is happening

 

[Swift_Star]

It is the play. That's what their whole access to billions of gamers mantra is about. Their focus on the app store is so they can get easier access to ios and the like. There were even rumors or something that Microsoft would make native apps for apple. Don't see why they wouldn't be interested in the same thing with PS

Because gamersThink tribalism have any real influência on the real world.

 

[pratyush]

I long for the day Sony decide to release first party games on Xbox as well and vice versa. Imagine playing Halo with friends on PS and Xbox

Console warriors on both sides have been taking blows. But that would eventually kill them. Too bad traffic to this site will reduce!

 

[Swift_Star]

GAAS will go multiplat but single player game will not
by your logic God of War & Spiderman & Last of Us & Horizon & Ratchet & Uncharted will come to Xbox by 2026 right lol

Sony and MS have two different views of the market. It's funny how the fans can barely understand the company they oh so love.

 

[Mr Moose]

Dont be stupid. I am talking of PS warriors asking for MS to still release Actvision-Bethesda games in PS. You can still have for yourself the spiderman games. We dont need it

It's Activisons Spider-Man that is multiplatform, not Marvel's Spider-Man by Insomniac, they are not the same thing. They aren't taking away anything from Xbox with Insomniacs Spider-Man.
Call of Duty is a multiplat game and will remain so.
Starfield is a new IP and will be exclusive*

*Not on Sony's platforms.

 

[Craig of War]

Sony and MS have two different views of the market. It's funny how the fans can barely understand the company they oh so love.

I already told you the GAAS will go multiplat as they get the biggest playerbase and the most money wile single player games will remain console exclusive
why is that so hard for you to understand your now making up stuff Sony ain't no different stop trying to talk nonsesense

 

[Swift_Star]

I already told you the GAAS will go multiplat as they get the biggest playerbase and the most money wile single player games will remain console exclusive
why is that so hard for you to understand your now making up stuff Sony ain't no different stop trying to talk nonsesense

Like I said: you don't understand the company you love.

 

[R3claimer117]

It's Activisons Spider-Man that is multiplatform, not Marvel's Spider-Man by Insomniac, they are not the same thing. They aren't taking away anything from Xbox with Insomniacs Spider-Man.
Call of Duty is a multiplat game and will remain so.
Starfield is a new IP and will be exclusive*

*Not on Sony's platforms.

Lmao you guys want to port beg and keep all the exclusive Spider-Man is a big ip lots of kids play that before it got locked down to PlayStation. You don't think kids on switch should play it or on Xbox. Lol you guys are clowns

 

[Mr Moose]

Lmao you guys want to port beg and keep all the exclusive Spider-Man is a big ip lots of kids play that before it got locked down to PlayStation. You don't think kids on switch should play it or on Xbox. Lol you guys are clowns

You guys?
There's only one of us here with oversized shoes on, my friend, and I'm a UK size 9.

 

[Swift_Star]

Lmao you guys want to port beg and keep all the exclusive Spider-Man is a big ip lots of kids play that before it got locked down to PlayStation. You don't think kids on switch should play it or on Xbox. Lol you guys are clowns

At least you admit that all you want is to take games from everyone else.

 

[Jboemios]

At least you admit that all you want is to take games from everyone else.

I am not gonna lie. It is a great bonus to watch some PS players to cry when MS buy a big publisher, a try to do 180° saying that consolidation is not good. The same PS players that were masturbating when there were news of MS abandoning Xbox.

 

[Craig of War]

Like I said: you don't understand the company you love.

I understand well you on the other hand not so much you act like you run Microsoft or something
what they have done has shown that all big single player game will remain exclusive

 

[Swift_Star]

I am not gonna lie. It is a great bonus to watch some PS players to cry when MS buy a big publisher, a try to do 180° saying that consolidation is not good. The same PS players that were masturbating when there were news of MS abandoning Xbox.

So you admit you like this.

 

[Swift_Star]

I understand well you on the other hand not so much you act like you run Microsoft or something
what they have done has shown that all big single player game will remain exclusive

No, you clearly don't. You 100% don't.

 

[Jboemios]

So you admit you like this.

Yes, and I hope MS buy a big japanese publisher next

 

[adamsapple]

So you think MS would intentionally try to mislead the FTC then?

They've already made their commitments to the FTC in order to get this approved. You're seriously misguided if you think they can do a 180 without any repercussions

They can sue them for misleading them which could lead to a court order

They can also make their life harder. MS knows that. Hence why they've been trying to stay in their good books. But you think they'll risk that over COD?

My dude why do you keep talking about "commitments" ? Where have MS made commitments to FTC, can you share please ?

This is not a commitment to FTC. It's just a blog post telling normal every day folks like us about how they'll change/adapt their messaging. And even on this blog page the wording is left intentionally vague undoubtedly.

I'm just not seeing the "commitments" you've talked about 50 or so times in this thread.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

My dude why do you keep talking about "commitments" ? Where have MS made commitments to FTC, can you share please ?

This is not a commitment to FTC. It's just a blog post telling normal every day folks like us about how they'll change/adapt their messaging. And even on this blog page the wording is left intentionally vague undoubtedly.

I'm just not seeing the "commitments" you've talked about 50 or so times in this thread.

This is not for us

 

[adamsapple]

This is not for us

This is not a commitment to the FTC in any shape or form.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

This is not a commitment to the FTC in any shape or form.

Posted the wrong screen look again

 

[adamsapple]

Posted the wrong screen look again

At best that is them trying to sweeten the pot, if you will, and start a "we're inclusive" marketing push to make the regulatory process appear more friendly and favorable.

But none of that is, or should be taken, as a firm commitment to FTC or a roadmap to their plans going forward.

Again, it's way too early to comment on anything and the state of things and prior messaging may change drastically if and once the deal is approved/closed.

Way too early to taking anything as set in stone right now, outside of contractual obligations.

 

[Swift_Star]

Yes, and I hope MS buy a big japanese publisher next

That's not happening, sadly for you.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

At best that is them trying to sweeten the pot, if you will, and start a "we're inclusive" marketing push to make the regulatory process appear more friendly and favorable.

But none of that is, or should be taken, as a firm commitment to FTC or a roadmap to their plans going forward.

Again, it's way too early to comment on anything and the state of things and prior messaging may change drastically if and once the deal is approved/closed.

Way too early to taking anything as set in stone right now, outside of contractual obligations.

No, this is their pitch to regulators as they themselves admit.

Doing a 180 on their pitch to said regulators would not be a good look for them