[CNBC] Phil Spencer: We are not putting a pause on acquisitions. Also not raising console prices.

does cod sell 20 million on xbox?

if it goes on gamepass I would put money that almost every subscriber plays it. thats increasing your playerbase, then add the growth opportunities from having cod day one on gamepass and the reach is huge through cloud gaming etc.
 
Sosokrates said:
Isnt this inevitable? I mean theres no rule that a game platform can only own a certain amount of studios.
It seems like its heading like the movie±tv streaming industry where all the content is owned by a handful of companies.
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Can you Xbox fans make your minds up.

You thinking buying up the entire industry and creating a monopoly is pro consumer? Because all I hear is how pro consumer Xbox is while Sony are anti consumer. Yet Phil who can't tell the truth from one week to the next is very much creating a situation that will be uncompetitive and not very pro consumer.
 
adamsapple said:
Sure, I can understand there could be a million reasons behind it. But it's a fact that it was started as a multi-platform project. In fact I think now Sony took over the publishing rights of the project.

Kinda like how MS took over publishing for Psychonauts 2 and helped complete the games development because the team was running out of budget, but they still honored the game coming to PS consoles instead of canceling/refunding it. 🤷‍♂️
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Was psychouts 2 about to be cancelled. And the running out of budget was regarding the dev have to cut back in content. And still fair game for Microsoft to foot the bill. In any way shape or form these 2 cases are similar.
 
adamsapple said:
Sure, I can understand there could be a million reasons behind it. But it's a fact that it was started as a multi-platform project. In fact I think now Sony took over the publishing rights of the project.

Kinda like how MS took over publishing for Psychonauts 2 and helped complete the games development because the team was running out of budget, but they still honored the game coming to PS consoles instead of canceling/refunding it. 🤷‍♂️
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There is no mention of Xbox outside of that 1 poster. Not on their website or any job listing etc. So it seems it was likely pre-production.
 
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Frank Horrigan said:
Thanks for the correction.

Good guy phil is a good guy for not putting the price up. But the XSX cost more to produce at launch because the parts were more expensive (true)
But now that the parts for the PS5 are more expensive, Jim Ryan is worse than Hitler for raising the price, due to more expensive parts.
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So many details glossed over in one post!

XSX cost more to produce yet was priced the same as PS5 at launch. In fact MS set their price first and Sony followed.

If the cost of manufacture have gone up for PS5 then the same would be broadly true for XSX as they are comparable devices.
 
KingT731 said:
There is no mention of Xbox outside of that 1 poster. Not on their website or any job listing etc. So it seems it was likely pre-production.
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To be fair that's still at least 1 more official mention about it coming to Xbox than Starfield ever being announced for a PS platform.

That's where that point started I think.
 
SLB1904 said:
Do you have a source for this? Anyway let's just skip that part because you don't.

Second why doesn't Microsoft go out there and bring new ips. Give 3rd party support like Sony is doing with kena, rise of ronin, etc?
They literally don't want to get involved just pay for stuff that's already done.
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Let's start with your requested source, so you can learn that Sony took it off the table.

https://www.ign.com/articles/upcoming-hack-slash-project-eve-looks-gorgeous

Though shown in the PlayStation Showcase, Project Eve was also originally announced for Xbox One and PC, so we'll likely see it on those platforms eventually as well.

How about the original trailer?



Secondly why doesn't Microsoft go out there and bring new ips? Is this a serious question? Are you being willfully ignorant to Sony's first party lineup?

So you're saying Sony helped with the development of Kena? By what? Paying for exclusivity the way Epic Games did? Because from the reviews I've watched, I've never seen a single mention of Sony's supposed involvement in the development process. Is their name in the credits since you claim they co-developed it?
Or are you creating a false narrative of Sony paying for timed exclusivity (along with Epic), counts as helping develop the game?
Rise if Ronin? You're saying Sony had to help Team Ninja? By paying for exclusivity? Koei Tecmo is some tiny little indie that couldn't have made this game without Sony's involvement?

C'mon son. You R not E
 
ChorizoPicozo said:
If this is factually true. Then Sony has a pretty big chance the win some kind of condition regarding CoD.
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From Whom exactly? by the dealing failing? or if Microsoft is successful? When EA pulled support from Sega. Sega made their own sports game; they did such a great job. EA bought the licenses exclusively. Sony gave up supporting Killzone and SOCOM, not because they weren't profitable. But because they were profitable enough to compete. Sony got fat and lazy and ate off another companies' success. Hopefully, this all gets resolved soon.
 
SmokedMeat said:
Let's start with your requested source, so you can learn that Sony took it off the table.

https://www.ign.com/articles/upcoming-hack-slash-project-eve-looks-gorgeous

Though shown in the PlayStation Showcase, Project Eve was also originally announced for Xbox One and PC, so we'll likely see it on those platforms eventually as well.

How about the original trailer?



Secondly why doesn't Microsoft go out there and bring new ips? Is this a serious question? Are you being willfully ignorant to Sony's first party lineup?

So you're saying Sony helped with the development of Kena? By what? Paying for exclusivity the way Epic Games did? Because from the reviews I've watched, I've never seen a single mention of Sony's supposed involvement in the development process. Is their name in the credits since you claim they co-developed it?
Or are you creating a false narrative of Sony paying for timed exclusivity (along with Epic), counts as helping develop the game?
Rise if Ronin? You're saying Sony had to help Team Ninja? By paying for exclusivity? Koei Tecmo is some tiny little indie that couldn't have made this game without Sony's involvement?

C'mon son. You R not E
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What is your point?
 
SLB1904 said:
No they weren't. Insomniac was a developer working on contracts. They don't own any ips. Or they were publishers.
You are just grasping straws at this point. to defend your favorite corporate you don't give a shit about facts.
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You're redefining what multiplatform means in order to suit your narrative and I'm the one grasping at straws and defending a corporation.
More power to you.
 
Glad to hear they won't be increasing the price of the Xbox. Smart move. Sony got a lot of bad press for that. I'm still kind of shocked Sony did that. Ms doing everything right this gen. Love to see it.
 
Ozzie666 said:
From Whom exactly? by the dealing failing?
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No. By a condition attached to CoD (as I already said multiple times ).

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or if Microsoft is successful?
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The acquisition is not going to fail.

Ozzie666 said:
When EA pulled support from Sega. Sega made their own sports game; they did such a great job. EA bought the licenses exclusively. Sony gave up supporting Killzone and SOCOM, not because they weren't profitable. But because they were profitable enough to compete. Sony got fat and lazy and ate off another companies' success. Hopefully, this all gets resolved soon.
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Your own words:
"COD has reached a level of influence held by very few"
 
Ozriel said:
Ah yes. Microsoft is heavily investing in cloud streaming and putting their games on Steam because they don't plan to have more gamers in the xbox ecosystem.

Pretty sure Spencer could say anything and a particular contingent of GAF would leap up to wail about 'riddles and doublespeak'.
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That goes both ways. There is the other group that will white knight regardless of what he says. Same goes for Ryan.
 
SmokedMeat said:
So you're saying Sony helped with the development of Kena? By what? Paying for exclusivity the way Epic Games did? Because from the reviews I've watched, I've never seen a single mention of Sony's supposed involvement in the development process. Is their name in the credits since you claim they co-developed it?
Or are you creating a false narrative of Sony paying for timed exclusivity (along with Epic), counts as helping develop the game?
Rise if Ronin? You're saying Sony had to help Team Ninja? By paying for exclusivity? Koei Tecmo is some tiny little indie that couldn't have made this game without Sony's involvement?

C'mon son. You R not E
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https://www.ign.com/articles/kena-sony-sales?amp=1


"It's hard to tell what's a huge success. Sony's happy," said Josh Grier. Mike Grier also mentioned that Sony put plenty of effort into marketing Kena: Bridge of Spirits because of the large amount of attention it was getting.At game conferences, Ember Lab pitched earlier versions of the game. While there were lots of big publishers interested, the studio eventually closed a deal with Sony for both funding and marketing support. Additionally, Ember Lab was allowed to learn about the PS5 a year prior to its official announcement and was given development kits for the console.

That's for kena

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PS5's Rise of the Ronin Is an Open World Action RPG, Team Ninja Confirms

Started development seven years ago
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"We are filled with gratitude on being able to make this announcement with PlayStation who have supported us and this project throughout these many years."


Sony is the publisher. If koei tecmo can afford or not is irrelevant. Making an AAA game is a risky business. Sony foot the bill period. They are the publishers.

Next time get your facts straight
 
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SmokedMeat said:
Let's start with your requested source, so you can learn that Sony took it off the table.

https://www.ign.com/articles/upcoming-hack-slash-project-eve-looks-gorgeous

Though shown in the PlayStation Showcase, Project Eve was also originally announced for Xbox One and PC, so we'll likely see it on those platforms eventually as well.

How about the original trailer?



Secondly why doesn't Microsoft go out there and bring new ips? Is this a serious question? Are you being willfully ignorant to Sony's first party lineup?

So you're saying Sony helped with the development of Kena? By what? Paying for exclusivity the way Epic Games did? Because from the reviews I've watched, I've never seen a single mention of Sony's supposed involvement in the development process. Is their name in the credits since you claim they co-developed it?
Or are you creating a false narrative of Sony paying for timed exclusivity (along with Epic), counts as helping develop the game?
Rise if Ronin? You're saying Sony had to help Team Ninja? By paying for exclusivity? Koei Tecmo is some tiny little indie that couldn't have made this game without Sony's involvement?

C'mon son. You R not E
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Not really arguing what you're saying but that's where pre-production gets sticky. They were likely shopping it around to publishers at the time since Shift Up had only made mobile games previously.
 
Frank Horrigan said:
Good guy phil is a good guy for not putting the price up. But the XSX cost more to produce at launch because the parts were more expensive (true)
But now that the parts for the PS5 are more expensive, Jim Ryan is worse than Hitler for raising the price, due to more expensive parts.
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What an odd post. You're being sarcastic towards one console manufacturer for not raising the price while defending the other for doing it, for products which launched roughly at the same MSRP.

The PS5 (Disc version) was reportedly profitable to Sony as of Q1 2021, and they're not a small struggling company, they could easy have eaten the increase to not put it on the consumer, heck they're doing it just fine in the US at least, while the rest of the world gets anywhere from 10 to 20% increase.
 
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SLB1904 said:
https://www.ign.com/articles/kena-sony-sales?amp=1

That's for kena

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"We are filled with gratitude on being able to make this announcement with PlayStation who have supported us and this project throughout these many years."


Sony is the publisher. If koei tecmo can afford or not is irrelevant. Making an AAA game is a risky business. Sony foot the bill period. They are the publishers.

Next time get your facts straight
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It seems he thinks sony is evil snatching game after game.

Forgetting incidents like the Tomb Raider money hat, Dead Rising, Ninja Gaiden, Dino Crisis 3 for example.
 
ChorizoPicozo said:
It seems he thinks sony is evil snatching game after game.

Forgetting incidents like the Tomb Raider money hat, Dead Rising, Ninja Gaiden, Dino Crisis 3 for example.
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To be fair Ninja Gaiden wasn't all on MS...Itagaki had a hate boner against Sony because Sony promoted Tekken on PS2 over Dead or Alive.
 
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SLB1904 said:
https://www.ign.com/articles/kena-sony-sales?amp=1

While there were lots of big publishers interested, the studio eventually closed a deal with Sony for both funding and marketing support. Additionally, Ember Lab was allowed to learn about the PS5 a year prior to its official announcement and was given development kits for the console.

That's for kena

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"We are filled with gratitude on being able to make this announcement with PlayStation who have supported us and this project throughout these many years."


Sony is the publisher. If koei tecmo can afford or not is irrelevant. Making an AAA game is a risky business. Sony foot the bill period. They are the publishers.

Next time get your facts straight
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Ah, so other publishers were interested in Kena, but Sony's money won out. Marketing goes hand in hand with timed exclusivity money. Just like Epic gave them money, and then advertised the game on their store.

Koei's statement is no different than any other publisher that gets money for timed exclusivity.

You proved nothing.
 
ChorizoPicozo said:
It seems he thinks sony is evil snatching game after game.

Forgetting incidents like the Tomb Raider money hat, Dead Rising, Ninja Gaiden, Dino Crisis 3 for example.
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If you talk about Tomb raider, someone will inevitably bring up Sony 'incidenting' it away from Saturn etc back in the day too. :p

also RE: Dino crisis 3 -

Dino Crisis 3 was always intended as an Xbox-exclusive title when that console was judged to be better at rendering graphics than the PlayStation 2; Hiroyuki Kobayashi considered a PlayStation 2 port of the game to be "impossible" to make.[7][8]
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and Ninja Gaiden was exclusive mostly because Itagaki kinda hated Sony for a few years back then.

The only one that we can make a real case about is Dead Rising 3, but even including cases like DR3, Titanfall 1 etc, MS is still way behind in getting third party games exclusive on a platform. It's something they arguably should have done more in the XBO generation to avoid being utterly trounced by the PS4.
 
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SmokedMeat said:
Ah, so other publishers were interested in Kena, but Sony's money won out. Marketing goes hand in hand with timed exclusivity money. Just like Epic gave them money, and then advertised the game on their store.

Koei's statement is no different than any other publisher that gets money for timed exclusivity.

You proved nothing.
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Lmfao you can't even read 🤣 they literally said pitch the game to different developers and Sony took the project.
 
Slicker than your average said:
Can you Xbox fans make your minds up.

You thinking buying up the entire industry and creating a monopoly is pro consumer? Because all I hear is how pro consumer Xbox is while Sony are anti consumer. Yet Phil who can't tell the truth from one week to the next is very much creating a situation that will be uncompetitive and not very pro consumer.
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Not sure what fantasy world you live in where xbox is buying up the industry. Or where the player that's got a much smaller slice of the console pie is 'creating a monopoly'.

Y'all have lied to yourselves so many times about Phil that you've started believing that crap. Because he certainly hasn't been pushing out lies.
 
adamsapple said:
If you talk about Tomb raider, someone will inevitably bring up Sony 'incidenting' it away from Saturn etc back in the day too. :p

also RE: Dino crisis 3 -



and Ninja Gaiden was exclusive mostly because Itagaki kinda hated Sony for a few years back then.

The only one that we can make a real case about is Dead Rising 3, but even including cases like DR3, Titanfall 1 etc, MS is still way behind in getting third party games exclusive on a platform. It's something they arguably should have done more in the XBO generation to avoid being utterly trounced by the PS4.
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But that is what I am saying. Both companies have been doing this since forever. This is what it takes.

Trying to argue in favor on one side ot the other is so dumb.

The nuances regarding CoD is the issue.
 
Sosokrates said:
Isnt this inevitable? I mean theres no rule that a game platform can only own a certain amount of studios.
It seems like its heading like the movie±tv streaming industry where all the content is owned by a handful of companies.
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Except that only one of the three players has the means to gobble up gigantic chunks. That is the difference. We would not have had this whole controversy if MS had decided to allow franchises that used to come out on all systems, for years and years and years, to maintain their status, while enjoying the fact that they -the titles- would be available day one on gamepass (Doom, ES, Wolfeinstein, Arkane games)...Plus, any new IP would be exclusive to MS. That would have been a good compromise, instead of the BS that MS fanboys are applauding with both ass cheecks. Sounds reasonable to me...🤷‍♂️
 
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ChorizoPicozo said:
The nuances regarding CoD is the issue.
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I think you'll find that most XBox leaning folks here would not mind CoD staying on PS platforms at all, if not in perpetuity than at least for the next 6~8 years.

And on that note, I think Jim is doing the acquisition a favor by just only mentioning CoD over and over. MS can just agree to keep CoD and that leaves 99.9% of the rest of the Activision catalog unchecked. MS will probably be ecstatic if all they have to do is guarantee CoD stays on PS platforms to get everything else.
 
ryzen1 said:
I don't understand why we can't just agree that both companies are simply evil for snatching games from another platform.
But defending one or the other is just double standard bullshit.
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That is just what I said. But is not about being evil. Is just the nature of the game.

This is what it takes to compete. companies have been doing these since forever.

These fanboys (as I said many times before) are hung up with the entire Blizz-Acti acquisition when the drama is around CoD.
 
Sosokrates said:
I wonder why doesn't Phil just say what his predecessors said that Xbox is the best and you should buy xbox over playstation.
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Wandering Leopard said:
It's plain to see, the more they acquire, the more resistance they'll face from regulators, I've said it in another topic but Activision could be the last big publisher they're able to acquire.
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There are not that many bigger ones left. I think after activision they will go and buy another 5-10 smaller studios eg. Team asobo etc. will end up this gen with 40-50 studios under Xbox publishing (game studios)
 
KingT731 said:
Not really arguing what you're saying but that's where pre-production gets sticky. They were likely shopping it around to publishers at the time since Shift Up had only made mobile games previously.
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Preproduction is so early, I'm not sure if a trailer like that would even be a thing - or if we'd even know it existed. We knew nothing of Sunset Overdrive back when that was being shopped around.

That trailer to me looked past a preproduction stage. But I'm no expert.
 
adamsapple said:
I think you'll find that most XBox leaning folks here would not mind CoD staying on PS platforms at all, if not in perpetuity than at least for the next 6~8 years.
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I bet the vast majority of people around here don't even give a shit about CoD at all. If CoD would disappear tomorrow they will be even happy.

adamsapple said:
And on that note, I think Jim is doing the acquisition a favor by just only mentioning CoD over and over. MS can just agree to keep CoD and that leaves 99.9% of the rest of the Activision catalog unchecked. MS will probably be ecstatic if all they have to do is guarantee CoD stays on PS platforms to get everything else.
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Exactly this is what I have been saying all along.

The acquisition is not rally the issue, is just CoD.

Now. Hoeg Law said that things would get nasty (regarding this PR fight).

So, I wonder if sony is going to keep escalating (they already did). And increase and keep repeating the 'The whole deal is bad'....that would be interesting..
 
The acquisition is not rally the issue, is just CoD
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Would be funny that MS agrees with all CoD clauses to be on PS and then after the current contract, to stop making Call of Duty games and the devs to create a new FPS IP with the same engine and mechanics. Theoretically is not CoD, so they wont need to put it on PS.
 
ChorizoPicozo said:
Lol. So a butthurt move. See, console warz is a serious business.
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Yeah man he was SUPER petty also very much an asshole which lead to him being fired shortly after Ninja Gaiden 2 released. Also had some sexual harassment claims against him within the studio and had a generally crass attitude. He's not a well liked guy in the video industry in Japan.
 
Phil looks like he just inhaled a huge line of pure cocaine. What he need to do is have his studios release games instead of looking for clout on the internet.
 
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sry people but this acqusition means xbox studios themselves do not trust their own studiso to deliver high caliber high quality games.
if msoft doesnt trust their own studios, i have no reason to trust them. this includes phil.

they have now tons of studios. they dont need acti blizz to be competitive with sony.

this is too much. bethesda should've been enough for the extra juice.
 
MS has shown they are not capable of managing 50+ studios the way Nintendo are.

Adding MORE acquisitions under their belt is more worrying to me than anything else. More acquisitions clearly has not led to more releases and of those games released, it does not guarantee high quality.

Until they can prove otherwise...I now see MS acquisitions as a detriment to this industry.
 
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