Microsoft / Activision Deal Approval Watch |OT| (MS/ABK close)

Do you believe the deal will be approved?

  • Yes, will be approved without changes.

    Votes: 221 24.9%

  • Yes, will be approved but with structural changes to ABK.

    Votes: 102 11.5%

  • Yes, will be approved but only with behavioral concessions.

    Votes: 262 29.6%

  • No, will not be approved.

    Votes: 301 34.0%
  • Total voters
    886
  • Poll closed .
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Exciting times to be a PS gamer

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phil_t98 said:
you said not putting out updates for war zone, that would make the game unopayable cross platform because one would be more advanced than the other. its getting more silly every time
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Adding things like raytracing support or performance enhancements doesn't mean the game is unplayable cross platform.
 
oldergamer said:
This is likely where things will end up after the CMA rules:

https://www.catribunal.org.uk/

They have the power to overrule the CMA and have already done so on rulings this year
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No doubt. This will be reviewed thoroughly. Doesn't end with CMA.

adamsapple said:
If CMA is the only real objector in the major authorities it definitely goes to courts.
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I don't think it matters how many object if any. Microsoft will appeal and it will go before the tribunal. oldergamer oldergamer is correct that the tribunal has overturned CMA decisions. They have upheld them as well, but this is where the final decision will be made if CMA rejects the deal.
 
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The_Mike said:
After sleeping on Sony's demand got me thinking...

They want to force Microsoft to not having a better graphical version than on PS5.

That tells me they know xbox is stronger, otherwise they wouldn't point it out like this.

How many games has Sony moneyhatted to actually that the Xbox version worse?

I'm well aware of Microsoft having done the same thing in previous generation, but that doesn't give playstation a free card to do the same.

Have never seen Sony this insecure before. I'm really happy for the industry that the market leader gets shaken a bit and starts doing something competitive.
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You had a bad dream during your sleep with your vieuw about Sony's demand, go to bed again and sleep some more then wake up and remember that your first dream was just a dream.
 
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Microsoft keeps their games exclsuive- minecraft and minecraft dungeons

Microsoft doesn't put their games on other people's services-

Bethesda is all over ps plus including deathloop which just dropped.

Gg CMA
 
oldergamer said:
The cma has some really odd considerations. Ms already stated that the planned to release cod on more platforms mobile switch and streaming
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Yeah...but they tried to force Sony to put GamePass on the Playstation, dont you wonder why that is?
I tell you why, then they can release all the games from Bethesda and Activision trough GamePass on Playstation, thats why, so with that they releasing the games to platforms trough GamePass and they are in full control
 
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Three said:
Adding things like raytracing support or performance enhancements doesn't mean the game is unplayable cross platform.
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You really think with the power of currant gen consoles war zone is getting Ray tracing? And what performance enhancements would warzine get one above the other?
 
tpieman2029 said:
Microsoft keeps their games exclsuive- minecraft and minecraft dungeons

Microsoft doesn't put their games on other people's services-

Bethesda is all over ps plus including deathloop which just dropped.

Gg CMA
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Alternatively,

Bethesda games announced for ps5 before ms brought them - 2

Vs

Bethesda games announced for ps5 after ms brought them - 0

Not going to lie, I'm finding ms being hoisted by their own petard very enjoyable. Reap what you sow.
 
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DJ12 said:
Alternatively,

Bethesda games announced for ps5 before ms brought them - 2

Vs

Bethesda games announced for ps5 after ms brought them - 0

Not going to lie, I'm finding ms being hoisted by their own petard very enjoyable. Reap what you sow.
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How many Bethesda games have been announced after MS bought them?
Just for completeness sake
 
onesvenus said:
How many Bethesda games have been announced after MS bought them?
Just for completeness sake
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Well to be fair, Starfield and the next elder scrolls will be console exclusive so Bethesda is a pretty bad comparison for Microsoft.
 
onesvenus said:
How many Bethesda games have been announced after MS bought them?
Just for completeness sake
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New games would be "Redfall" and "Starfield" atm. Not officially announced but specifically mentioned in interviews w/ Bethesda FO5 will begin development after ES6 (currently in pre-production) is ready.
 
onesvenus said:
How many Bethesda games have been announced after MS bought them?
Just for completeness sake
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According to WiKi, 2.

Redfall and Starfield. (Obviously the Indy game is touted as an exclusive, and we can probably assume it is. Fallout and Elder Scrolls probs more up in the air, but likely to be exclusive in my opinion.)

Both of which will probably be announced for PS5 pretty soon if they value CoD more than Bethesda.
 
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Timberwolf25 said:
A lot of people think you shouldn't moneyhat publishing deals to take things away from people too. They would also say that is how innovation goes.

The CMAs pov on this is a weird take as it seems designed to protect one company at the expense of competition not to spur competition and innovation.
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Here whe go again....getting exclusive deals for one year is not the same as buying complete publishers with the endgoal to put all theyr games on GamePass and take them away from Sony and perhaps from Steam cous i dont think that Steam wants Gamepass on they'r service. Thats called moneyhatting.

And MS have making does deals to, and they could also be making more deals with developers for one year exclusive games on Xbox in the last two years.
But they are to bussy to trying to get developers placing theyr games on GamePass...day one.
 
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While the UK CMA decision is important. I'm more interested in what the FTC has to say next month or so, because they have been pretty tight lipped about the review.
 
phil_t98 said:
You really think with the power of currant gen consoles war zone is getting Ray tracing? And what performance enhancements would warzine get one above the other?
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What's the point of this tangent about console power. I wasn't even specific about "currant gen". I mention PS5 Pro/PS6 even.
 
Topher said:
I think the FTC is going to be a breeze compared to CMA.
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I'm not so sure. MSFT's focus on the US and UK markets for Xbox probably mean the numbers align in both regions and the CMA may have provided a phase 1 document they just need to update the numbers on.
 
adamsapple said:
For Minecraft, that game always looked/ran better on PS5 compared to SX, the new updates are probably to bring them in line. I'm not certain 100% as I don't play minecraft, but in terms of content both the versions are in content parity even if the PS5 version is enhanced BC.

Fallout 76 doesn't have a next gen patch on either console and its the FPS boost that lets you run that game at 60 albeit with a huge reduction in resolution, that's more of an Xbox system level thing and has nothing to do with the developer holding anything back.

The rest is all in parity with each other. Warzone makes tons of money in monetization, MS would not be stupid enough to not keep all versions in parity, especially as they have cross-play.
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Whenever you hear yourself uttering the phrase, "This company would not be stupid enough", I want you to stop, think to yourself all the times that company was, in fact, stupid enough, and then not bother completing that statement. Every one of these companies has pulled some stupid shit, regardless of who was in charge. Remember when just this generation, Microsoft tried to double the price of Xbox Live in the middle of a pandemic?Launched a brand new console with zero new exclusives? Didn't fire Bonnie Ross before she presided over yet another Halo debacle? These companies can, will, have, and should be bet on to do stupid shit
 
ChorizoPicozo said:
At least we know people at the top of these two companies are sweating cold. And that makes me chuckle.
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As a Playstation gamer, I don't even care about Activision games. Never played a Call of Duty game and I will probably never will.
Sony should do what their real fans want: focus on releasing AAA bangers, and start working on a proper backwards compatible solution for PS1/PS2/PS3 disc based games.
 
oldergamer said:
This is likely where things will end up after the CMA rules:

https://www.catribunal.org.uk/

They have the power to overrule the CMA and have already done so on rulings this year
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They do, but what would happen to ACTVI's share price after the initial decision, and then the decision to take the CMA decision to court?

I don't know, but I would wonder if current ACTVI shareholders would dump stock, and then wait and see closer to a decision before buying back in on the 50-50 gamble, which I suspect would damage ACTVI's value greatly and disrupt their normal business. MSFT would also possibly open themselves up to discovery on numbers and as a public record wouldn't be redacted by default IIRC by a UK court.

I'm not sure they would play that game if that was a possibility, but would love someone - maybe yourself - that knows to explain the CAT situation we'd be looking at.
 
Honest question, does Microsoft really need UK business with regards to Xbox? Playstation 5 being one of the best selling consoles (4th of all time) sold around 2 million in almost two years. Therefore Microsoft Xbox series consoles probably sold at around 1.5 million at best. Call of duty ALONE would probably still make Microsoft more money and offset all their loses. I don't see any leverage that UK has over Microsoft to really stop them.

Also, is there really a way to stop UK customers from purchasing call of duty or any of Microsoft games on PC?
 
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bluecowboys said:
Honest question, does Microsoft really need UK business with regards to Xbox? Playstation 5 being one of the best selling consoles (4th of all time) sold around 2 million in almost two years. Therefore Microsoft Xbox series consoles probably sold at around 1.5 million at best. Call of duty ALONE would probably still make Microsoft more money and offset all their loses. I don't see any leverage that UK has over Microsoft to really stop them.
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Why?
 
bluecowboys said:
From my understanding, the worse that the UK CMA can do to Microsoft is block them from selling Xbox and their gaming products in the UK. They can't actually stop this acquisition from going through directly.
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Don't worry darling. Not even Dr. Strange could see a universe in which this deal is not approved.
 
bluecowboys said:
From my understanding, the worse that the UK CMA can do to Microsoft is block them from selling Xbox and their gaming products in the UK. They can't actually stop this acquisition from going through directly.
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Wouldn't the entire "Merged Entity" that the UK authorities would then fail to endorse be prohibited from doing business in the UK? Or at least all the areas raised such as Xbox, Azure, Xcloud, gamepass and Windows, no?
 
Ass of Can Whooping said:
It's not just Xbox that the UK would lose.
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I doubt the UK CMA will block Windows, outlook, Azure servers, productivity apps/suite, etc. A lot of the tech spaces that Microsoft competes in there is only one competitor or even none basically.

That would really hurt consumers, UK businesses, and the overall economy. UK economy is already in a crisis as it is and don't need more job losses or higher inflation.
 
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