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You have no idea.

It's a cross border transaction involving two companies who have offices and pay taxes in various countries (including the UK), but yet you think it's only the US who gets to have a say with what happens with this deal?

No sir, it is you who has no idea. Both the UK and EU have previosly blocked M&A involving companies outside of the UK and EU respectively, do your own research, inform yourself.
 
I agree. They can do real damage here even if some people want to stick their head in the sand and believe otherwise. The question is can they make it stick. I don't think they can.
They can, because even if the CAT were to agree with MSFT on the fine print of the law, if the on looking public - and by extension all MPs in parliament - agree with the CMA then new legislation/laws will get passed neutering the merged entitiy's activities going forward, making the CAT win irrelevant.

Anyone thinking that MSFT would willing ignore UK law as long-term strategy, which provides them their copyright and trademark protection for all their products is living in dream land.
 
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They can, because even if the CAT were to agree with MSFT on the fine print of the law, if the on looking public - and by extension all MPs in parliament - agree with the CMA then new legislation/laws will get passed neutering the merged entitiy's activities going forward, making the CAT win irrelevant.

Anyone thinking that MSFT would willing ignore UK law as long-term strategy, which provides them their copyright and trademark protection for all their products is living in dream land.


The state of British parliament you think something like that would get passed or even get to parliament?
 
Literally everything is "but Sony".

This Is Why You Fail Star Wars GIF
 
The state of British parliament you think something like that would get passed or even get to parliament?
Some issues unite us as a nation quite easily in the UK.

Blocking the top prem clubs from joining a European super league at the expense of the rest of England's professional league was one such issue that was shared, even if we didn't need to actually fight it. And hammering big business that the public interact with that are sidestepping our laws/taxes is usually another view shared equally between all countries making up the nation.

The blocking of Nvidia buying ARM would have been universally opposed beyond straight regulation IMO. This would fall into the same sphere too

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Also, the technicalities of how the system works means you only need a working majority, which is always the case in reality, so making laws is just a matter of decision makers making it happen.
 
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Some issues unite us as a nation quite easily in the UK.

Blocking the top prem clubs from joining a European super league at the expense of the rest of England's professional league was one such issue that was shared, even if we didn't need to actually fight it. And hammering big business that the public interact with that are sidestepping our laws/taxes is usually another view shared equally between all countries making up the nation.

The blocking of Nvidia buying ARM would have been universally opposed beyond straight regulation IMO. This would fall into the same sphere too

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Also, the technicalities of how the system works means you only need a working majority, which is always the case in reality, so making laws is just a matter of decision makers making it happen.


I don't see the same kind of passion for blocking the super league as Microsoft buying activision.

Also the super league was protested in other country's around the world


Also the UK can't get a functioning government at the moment as politics is in chaos, there are bigger issues for the government than spending hours and hours debating Microsoft buying out activision
 
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Gamepass is already on PC. It is literally a PC platform.
Yeah and Steam is also on PC, has nothing to do with MS.
Steam is indepented platform with no links to MS. Ore are you saying that PC is a platform owned by MS?
MS is delivering an OS and dont own the PC. Ore is Google Steam, Twitter, Facebook, and others paying MS to be on PC?
 
I don't see the same kind of passion for blocking the super league as Microsoft buying activision.

Also the super league was protested in other country's around the world


Also the UK can't get a functioning government at the moment as politics is in chaos, there are bigger issues for the government than spending hours and hours debating Microsoft buying out activision
Some issues aren't political, even if they need political structures to enact things. This would optically look like a non-political regulator making a decision to curtail big business that was going to damage the UK (market), and a big business company using legal fine print to bypass regulation, with political structures then collectively coming to back the non-political regulator.

The public typically agrees with regulatory bodies - immediately or eventually - otherwise they chose others to represent us that would assemble different regulators that are more in-line with the public's best interests. So universal support is to be expected in most situations.IMO.
 
Some issues aren't political, even if they need political structures to enact things. This would optically look like a non-political regulator making a decision to curtail big business that was going to damage the UK (market), and a big business company using legal fine print to bypass regulation, with political structures then collectively coming to back the non-political regulator.

The public typically agrees with regulatory bodies - immediately or eventually - otherwise they chose others to represent us that would assemble different regulators that are more in-line with the public's best interests. So universal support is to be expected in most situations.IMO.


where is Microsoft using legal fine print to get a deal done ? that's a big accusation to have. they are being up front about it. if anything the one trying to use legal fine print is Sony to protect the money they earn off a franchise they don't own

the public doesn't always agree with regulators at all, where are you getting that info from?

a deal like this doesn't have or not have the publics best interests at heart, I mean what about the Nintendo players? is it designed for them? they have no interest in this. the only ones it will effect possibly is Sonys income from a game they do not own
 
Not if they try to block the deal. Which I don't believe will be blocked. This is all hypothetical.

According to this article https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/06/microsoft_uk_figures/ UK made Microsoft over 4 billion pounds in revenue for the fiscal year of 2021.

Activision and Blizzard made around 8 billion dollars (around 7 billion pounds) in revenue for 2021.

The Activision and Blizzard deal from face value seems more valuable to Microsoft than doing business with UK. Especially since Microsoft could utilize Blizzard and Activision to make even more profits/revenue by selling subscriptions, reducing the cost of making the games, and more.
Not 8 billion from the uk though.

Revenue is what people like you use to try and win idiotic arguments on forums. Ms care about net income when taking a trip to the bank.

Activision mad 2.8 billion last year (although this year they are 1 billion down)

Your logic, they will turn down a virtual guaranteed 2.4 billion from one country (which will no doubt rise) for at best 2.8 billion World wide. Add in Europe who are likely to share the same concerns. You are probably talking about 20 billion in profit per year lost just to get cod.

Do you think Microsoft are dumb or something?
 
Then we just get 200 threads a day instead wondering how many money Microsoft gave these people under the table.
100% this!!!

it will be corrupt this and corrupt that. it will be fun 🙄🙄🙄

It will be the same if the deal gets rejected. We've already had a couple in this thread.

Wow who in the CMA is on Sony's payroll?

They own stocks...


Just a guess, but this stuff needs to be investigated. Follow the money trail.
 
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where is Microsoft using legal fine print to get a deal done ? that's a big accusation to have. they are being up front about it. if anything the one trying to use legal fine print is Sony to protect the money they earn off a franchise they don't own

the public doesn't always agree with regulators at all, where are you getting that info from?

a deal like this doesn't have or not have the publics best interests at heart, I mean what about the Nintendo players? is it designed for them? they have no interest in this. the only ones it will effect possibly is Sonys income from a game they do not own
They would have to win with the CAT, which in this case is only going to happen (IMHO) when the law will be technically at odds with the essence of the law, meaning a judge's hands would be tied by what the law actually says, rather than what it was intended for.

You keep saying this is about Sony but going by the pages I've managed to read - so far - of the phase 1 document by the CMA it really isn't and is far more wide reaching.
 
According to the CMA

1.Third parties have significant concerns about Microsoft's acquisition of ABK

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2.Microsoft's internal documents track PlayStation more closely than Nintendo

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3.Third parties confirmed that Nintendo is not as close a competitor

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4.Microsoft provided false information

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5.PlayStation won't be able to compete without CoD

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6.And Microsoft will be utterly dominant in UK: OS, consoles, subscriptions, cloud gaming and services

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According to the CMA

1.Third parties have significant concerns about Microsoft's acquisition of ABK

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2.Microsoft's internal documents track PlayStation more closely than Nintendo

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3.Third parties confirmed that Nintendo is not as close a competitor

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4.Microsoft provided false information

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5.PlayStation won't be able to compete without CoD

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6.And Microsoft will be utterly dominant in UK: OS, consoles, subscriptions, cloud gaming and services

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So these idiots consider gamers using Windows os as an advantage for Microsoft? Well, no shit they're using the only OS that people and devs alike are ok with.

How is Sony being in a (close or far) second place harming the industry? Not a single third party (besides Google) have a problem with this deal. And the CMA job shouldn't be making sure that Sony stays in the first place. Microsoft wants to compete and to provide a better value to customers to bring them to its ecosystem, and they shouldn't do that because it'll cost Sony?

WTF???
 
So these idiots consider gamers using Windows os as an advantage for Microsoft? Well, no shit they're using the only OS that people and devs alike are ok with.

How is Sony being in a (close or far) second place harming the industry? Not a single third party (besides Google) have a problem with this deal. And the CMA job shouldn't be making sure that Sony stays in the first place. Microsoft wants to compete and to provide a better value to customers to bring them to its ecosystem, and they shouldn't do that because it'll cost Sony?

WTF???

These are the points that the CMA are making that I disagree with. But it seems after reading some of the other cases that have come before the CMA that their purpose is to prevent mergers and acquisitions that create big changes in any industry. Status quo isn't always better for the industry or consumers, but that seems to be the underlying structure they are operating on.
 
They would have to win with the CAT, which in this case is only going to happen (IMHO) when the law will be technically at odds with the essence of the law, meaning a judge's hands would be tied by what the law actually says, rather than what it was intended for.

You keep saying this is about Sony but going by the pages I've managed to read - so far - of the phase 1 document by the CMA it really isn't and is far more wide reaching.


Nintendo are not complaining about this Sony are, at the moment its all about Sony being worried about potential income from a third party game
 
So these idiots consider gamers using Windows os as an advantage for Microsoft? Well, no shit they're using the only OS that people and devs alike are ok with.

How is Sony being in a (close or far) second place harming the industry? Not a single third party (besides Google) have a problem with this deal. And the CMA job shouldn't be making sure that Sony stays in the first place. Microsoft wants to compete and to provide a better value to customers to bring them to its ecosystem, and they shouldn't do that because it'll cost Sony?

WTF???
Ironic that you suggest Microsoft cant compete without buying ABK.

I think they are competing just fine, their overall sales are up, revenue is up, their public image is a lot better, they have a good setup of different hardware. Dont see why they would need to buy multiple Publishers to be able to compete when they are on the upwards trend.
 
Not 8 billion from the uk though.

Revenue is what people like you use to try and win idiotic arguments on forums. Ms care about net income when taking a trip to the bank.

Activision mad 2.8 billion last year (although this year they are 1 billion down)

Your logic, they will turn down a virtual guaranteed 2.4 billion from one country (which will no doubt rise) for at best 2.8 billion World wide. Add in Europe who are likely to share the same concerns. You are probably talking about 20 billion in profit per year lost just to get cod.

Do you think Microsoft are dumb or something?
The profits are much bigger from Activision/Blizzard than doing business in the UK especially when Microsoft can utilize them for subscriptions, hardware sales, accessories, etc. This thread is about UK and not all of Europe. Only UK has been a problem for Microsoft so far. You can have concerns, but the UK CMA obviously didn't do any research and are using Sony's talking points in their statements.

Microsoft doesn't want to lose UK business, but the merger from Activision/Blizzard is more profitable. Not to mention I think the UK would just cave because they would lose so much money and their GDP would go down the gutter if MS can't operate there. Do you know how many businesses and jobs will shut down over night if MS can't sell products in the UK?
 
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Ironic that you suggest Microsoft cant compete without buying ABK.

I think they are competing just fine, their overall sales are up, revenue is up, their public image is a lot better, they have a good setup of different hardware. Dont see why they would need to buy multiple Publishers to be able to compete when they are on the upwards trend.

There's a lot of info I think people are missing. As per Microsoft's filling to the CMA, XBOX only has 10-20% of the console market globally. 20-30% in the UK.

Taking the route of building momentum via creating IP has largely not worked out for them. This seems to be the plan B albeit 20 years later.
 
Ironic that you suggest Microsoft cant compete without buying ABK.

I think they are competing just fine, their overall sales are up, revenue is up, their public image is a lot better, they have a good setup of different hardware. Dont see why they would need to buy multiple Publishers to be able to compete when they are on the upwards trend.
Because they want to be in the number one place, or is that reserved for Sony?

How is Microsoft offering me, the customer, a better (yet optional) product not ok with the CMA?
 
Also the UK can't get a functioning government at the moment as politics is in chaos, there are bigger issues for the government than spending hours and hours debating Microsoft buying out activision

jesus christ this is a brutal truth lol


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Then we just get 200 threads a day instead wondering how many money Microsoft gave these people under the table.
Breaking news every corporation has lobbyist including Sony and Nintendo they all have to someone has to do the dirty work for them to keep their hands clean. Now don't get me wrong I'm sure there's behind the scene action going on from both sides lobbying for and against in the interest of each. I'm sure the cma wants their lawyers paid and are profiting off these investigation cause there's no way in hell they think these arguments could hold up if they go to court. No judge is going to rule on what Microsoft could hypothetically do in 20 years. Same as we won't know what Sony would do with companies like bungie the only difference is Sony won't let them walk with their company and buy themselves back.
 
So these idiots consider gamers using Windows os as an advantage for Microsoft? Well, no shit they're using the only OS that people and devs alike are ok with.
Why wouldn't it be? The only reason devs and people alike are "OK" with it is because the OS advantage was used to develop DirectX which created compatibility issues for games on other OS. Which meant that gamers had to get Windows for their games to run. That directly feeds into development for console and cloud too.

Had the OS market been more competitive more consoles would exist and you would have better game compatibility on a steamdeck too.
 
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Because they want to be in the number one place, or is that reserved for Sony?

How is Microsoft offering me, the customer, a better (yet optional) product not ok with the CMA?
They can be number one if they keep pumping out great games. If you dont understand why the CMA has concerns about this, you better start reading the 76 page PDF they made publicly available.

There's a lot of info I think people are missing. As per Microsoft's filling to the CMA, XBOX only has 10-20% of the console market globally. 20-30% in the UK.

Taking the route of building momentum via creating IP has largely not worked out for them. This seems to be the plan B albeit 20 years later.
I dont think that they have created many IPs in the last decade or so, largely due to not having enough first party studios. But like i said, their numbers are up and when they start to release their new games they will obviously go up even more. Its just a waiting game at this point but seems like Microsoft doesnt want to wait that long.
 
The profits are much bigger from Activision/Blizzard than doing business in the UK especially when Microsoft can utilize them for subscriptions, hardware sales, accessories, etc. This thread is about UK and not all of Europe. Only UK has been a problem for Microsoft so far. You can have concerns, but the UK CMA obviously didn't do any research and are using Sony's talking points in their statements.

Microsoft doesn't want to lose UK business, but the merger from Activision/Blizzard is more profitable. Not to mention I think the UK would just cave because they would lose so much money and their GDP would go down the gutter if MS can't operate there. Do you know how many businesses and jobs will shut down over night if MS can't sell products in the UK?

The PR damage to Microsoft worldwide for essentially flipping the UK off and vacating the country would be devastating. You are not thinking this through. Take off the green goggles, dude. This is not going to play out the way you think it will if the UK rejects this deal. Time to stop fantasizing.
 
I dont think that they have created many IPs in the last decade or so, largely due to not having enough first party studios. But like i said, their numbers are up and when they start to release their new games they will obviously go up even more. Its just a waiting game at this point but seems like Microsoft doesnt want to wait that long.

IP that builds momentum and more importantly, captures mindshare? That's Halo, Gears, and Forza. Think about it, when was the last time XBOX as a brand built and captured mindshare like they did back with Halo 2's release in 2004? When they sold 8/9 million of that IP?

Microsoft stopped creating those "Moments" in gaming a really long time ago. Which is why they're spending $70 Billion just to take a stab at capturing some of that mindshare back or force Sony to place their Game Pass service on Playstation.

XBOX is 20 years in and only has 10-20% of the console market, globally? I live in Europe. XBOX had a presence here but that presence shrank to near nothing after 2013.

As the CMA filling recognizes, XBOX wants access to the PS instal base.
 
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IP that builds momentum and more importantly, captures mindshare? That's Halo, Gears, and Forza. Think about it, when was the last time XBOX as a brand built and captured mindshare like they did back with Halo 2's release in 2004? When they sold 8/9 million of that IP?

Microsoft stopped creating those "Moments" in gaming a really long time ago. Which is why they're spending $70 Billion just to take a stab at capturing some of that mindshare back or force Sony to place their Game Pass service on Playstation.

XBOX is 20 years in and only has 10-20% of the console market, globally? I live in Europe. XBOX had a presence here but that presence shrank to near nothing after 2013.

As the CMA filling recognizes, XBOX wants access to the PS instal base.
10-20% is not a small percentage. It's rather big even globally when you consider the number of consoles there are. It's concentrated to a few consoles and that's if you consider Switch and Steamdeck who have great success differentiating as a handheld. Wii U however was not competitive. Xbox as a console is doing fine as one of the very few major competitors out there.

It would be interesting to know what is important too and how that figure was calculated. Active console users would be a better indicator than consoles out there since things like midgen refreshes and counting crossgen would throw this off.
 
They can be number one if they keep pumping out great games. If you dont understand why the CMA has concerns about this, you better start reading the 76 page PDF they made publicly available.
Or they can buy devs and put their games on Gamepass and customers wouldn't need to buy those said games at 70$ each (they'll still have the option though).

It seems that the CMA's only concern is to protect Sony's position.
 
10-20% is not a small percentage. It's rather big even globally when you consider the number of consoles there are.

CMA is not talking about individual consoles like the 360/X1 they're talking about the brand as a whole.

With the money Microsoft has poured into the XBOX brand over the past 21 years, 10-20% is actually abysmal.
 
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CMA is not talking about individual consoles like the 360/X1 they're talking about the brand as a whole.

With the money Microsoft has poured into the XBOX brand 10-20% over 21 years is actually abysmal.
So 10-20% of revenue? Isn't Sony at like 8% or something?
 
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Not sure that's true. If it's regarding this section then it sounds more like they are talking about as a console publisher with ABK and MS combined:


At best they are 33% of the home console hardware market. If you add in Nintendo you cut that in half since they have similar numbers to Sony. So 15% of the console hardware market sounds about right overall if you include Nintendo.
 
These are the points that the CMA are making that I disagree with. But it seems after reading some of the other cases that have come before the CMA that their purpose is to prevent mergers and acquisitions that create big changes in any industry. Status quo isn't always better for the industry or consumers, but that seems to be the underlying structure they are operating on.

Well its very rare that any form of consolidation has ever led to anything positive for consumers. If all the big companies merge and/or aquire all of the smaller companies that only leads to less choice for consumers and as a result a few corporations hold all the power. Oftentimes the "status quo" leads to more innovation and more choice for consumers. In essence the CMA's stance to companies is:

let them fight fighting GIF


That way customers get to decide who is worthy of their money and which companies survive. The way they see it is alternative is xxxxx company died because xxxxx company purchased a bunch of companies. They don't want that and that's what they seek to prevent. If a company is to go down it should be by the hands of the people, not by the hands of another corporation.
 
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The PR damage to Microsoft worldwide for essentially flipping the UK off and vacating the country would be devastating. You are not thinking this through. Take off the green goggles, dude. This is not going to play out the way you think it will if the UK rejects this deal. Time to stop fantasizing.
I could argue the PR damage for UK as well for rejecting Microsoft acquisition especially if it is the only one. UK isn't the behemoth it once was, it's economy is failing badly and can't afford losing a big company like Microsoft from operating there.
 
I could argue the PR damage for UK as well for rejecting Microsoft acquisition especially if it is the only one. UK isn't the behemoth it once was, it's economy is failing badly and can't afford losing a big company like Microsoft from operating there.

Governments automatically have bad PR. Isn't a factor. Nor is Microsoft leaving. But keep clinging to that thought....
 
Governments automatically have bad PR. Isn't a factor. Nor is Microsoft leaving. But keep clinging to that thought....
I can, UK economy is failing so badly losing Microsoft could very well make it a third world country at this point. Too much money will be leaving UK and less choices for consumers. We've seen many companies bow down to Microsoft including US which is way bigger than UK.

Also, you shouldn't be making any fanboy remarks. You literally been posting in this thread every few minutes and your avatar is embarrassing to say the least.
 
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So unsure if this is true or not, but if the deal doesn't get approved in the UK, it would mean that ABK products wouldn't be sold there while the rest of MS stuff could still be?
Basically end result would just be any products of the acquisition would be outlawed in the UK?
 
So unsure if this is true or not, but if the deal doesn't get approved in the UK, it would mean that ABK products wouldn't be sold there while the rest of MS stuff could still be?
Basically end result would just be any products of the acquisition would be outlawed in the UK?

It means the acquisition wouldn't happen. This has happened before. GE tried to acquire Honeywell years ago. EU rejected the acquisition. The acquisition was abandoned. Same with Meta being ordered to sell Giphy.

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The profits are much bigger from Activision/Blizzard than doing business in the UK especially when Microsoft can utilize them for subscriptions, hardware sales, accessories, etc. This thread is about UK and not all of Europe. Only UK has been a problem for Microsoft so far. You can have concerns, but the UK CMA obviously didn't do any research and are using Sony's talking points in their statements.

Microsoft doesn't want to lose UK business, but the merger from Activision/Blizzard is more profitable. Not to mention I think the UK would just cave because they would lose so much money and their GDP would go down the gutter if MS can't operate there. Do you know how many businesses and jobs will shut down over night if MS can't sell products in the UK?
You think MS are going to make more profit from subscriptions than Activision make from selling full priced games.

I have also shown you it isn't more profitable right now and this isn't going to get any better jn that regard as companies need more and more cloud services as data retention needs increase. Where I work alone we have had to up our azure subscription year on year due to the need to keep things digitally rather than physical.

Given that Activisions best year recently was only 2.8 profit, what makes you think it makes up for a guaranteed 2.4 billion profit a year from UK businesses?

Seriously please explain how this is more profitable for ms. I just cannot do your mental gymnastics on this.
 
I doubt the UK CMA will block Windows, outlook, Azure servers, productivity apps/suite, etc. A lot of the tech spaces that Microsoft competes in there is only one competitor or even none basically.

That would really hurt consumers, UK businesses, and the overall economy. UK economy is already in a crisis as it is and don't need more job losses or higher inflation.
Win-exit
 
I still thing that deal will get approved in the uk but with some concessions/ms will have to compromise on some things in the uk. I am expecting FTC to approve the deal quite swiftly, and Eu will be similar case as with the uk.
 
Well its very rare that any form of consolidation has ever led to anything positive for consumers. If all the big companies merge and/or aquire all of the smaller companies that only leads to less choice for consumers and as a result a few corporations hold all the power. Oftentimes the "status quo" leads to more innovation and more choice for consumers. In essence the CMA's stance to companies is:

True, probably not when the corporations are the size of Microsoft and Activision Blizzard. CMA has a record of blocking much smaller acquisitions as well which I think can be harmful in many cases. Either way, my point was really to talk about CMA philosophy, which I agree with you, is to let them fight.
 
You think MS are going to make more profit from subscriptions than Activision make from selling full priced games.

I have also shown you it isn't more profitable right now and this isn't going to get any better jn that regard as companies need more and more cloud services as data retention needs increase. Where I work alone we have had to up our azure subscription year on year due to the need to keep things digitally rather than physical.

Given that Activisions best year recently was only 2.8 profit, what makes you think it makes up for a guaranteed 2.4 billion profit a year from UK businesses?

Seriously please explain how this is more profitable for ms. I just cannot do your mental gymnastics on this.
Money isn't guaranteed, especially 2.4 billion dollars from a country that has an economy that is shrinking endlessly. Also, 2.8 Billion is still bigger than 2.4 billion dollars. Activision/Blizzard and Microsoft would easily make more money. Think about all of the accessories, subscriptions, and games Microsoft could sell.

This deal can get Microsoft to a 100 million subscriber count for game pass. That would be at least 12 billion dollars in revenue just from subscriptions. If half of that revenue is profit Microsoft would make almost 3 times as much profit than they would in the UK. And that is just subscriptions alone.
 
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