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[feynoob]

Doesn't matter how many times you say it...Microsoft still don't own a time machine. What exactly is the pragmatic proposal to improve their position that doesn't involve correcting the past?

Video game industry doesnt wait for you.
Sony lost the ps2 momentum, because of ps3 horrible system. Which allowed xbox to catch up to them.
MS should have been careful. They had 2 gen without full 1st party support, and didnt invest heavily on the platform. Its why xbox one suffered alot.

I think you'll find most PlayStation owners won't be swayed and their position is far from at risk.

Those users are minor. The real users are casuals, who have no loyalty for your brand aside of those games. You take those games away, and they would happily leave your service.
Not to mention, those users buy your 1st party games. Its why Sony 1st party games sells alot.

And acquisitions seem like a suitable avenue to compensate for dwarfed market share and increase competition.

MS already has 25 studios. Activision is overkill. Do you know how much games can those studios make?

Here is the list from Jez windows centeral.

Full list of upcoming Xbox first-party games: The full Microsoft Xbox Series X|S, One, and Windows PC gaming roadmap

Microsoft's vast legion of Xbox studios is working on a mountain of games.

www.windowscentral.com

Tell me, how much games does MS need to compete?

 

[Menzies]

This is all very rich, now who's saying "wait for next year".

It suits the Sony loyalist position that Microsoft should 'shut up shop' and be content with what they have, and yet discussing game releases and quality they'll return serve with the quips mocking "wait for next year."

Tell me, how much games does MS need to compete?

When the sales demonstrate? Were there any arguments being made when Sony had 3-times the amount of studios as Xbox previously?

 

[feynoob]

When the sales demonstrate? Were there any arguments being made when Sony had 3-times the amount of studios as Xbox previously?

Sony did that, because the invested in their system during ps3.
That is how they got their current users. MS should have done their model.

Hell, they are doing gamepass model, which is actually selling their system very well. Especially when this year, they had almost nothing from their 1st party studios.

 

[DarkMage619]

so just hoeg law then. got it.


again, not sure how this is a 'gatcha' - for example the CMA's official position is that they are concerned games will be taken off other platforms. that's not bias, it's their position as part of this review.

Games get 'taken off other platforms' all the time. Xbox owners know this all too well. Protection should be for consumers not market leading companies.

 

[SportsFan581]

Make a claim, can't back it up, act like a clown. At least the CMA published a 70 page document backing up their position, you can't even copy and paste something (because it doesn't exist).

I'm a forum poster, the CMA is a regulatory body, I think the burden proof is heavier on them. I'm not sure how I'm acting like a clown or making big claims. When the report released I watched several clips reporting on it (a few from the major networks) and read quite a few articles. I didn't keep a log of exactly who said what and where. You have your opinion, I have mine. It is what it is. Not sure what set you off here.

This is a message board the last I checked, I did not think citations were required for making posts. Nor do I expect others to provide them for me.

 

[Menzies]

Sony did that, because the invested in their system during ps3.
That is how they got their current users. MS should have done their model.

Hell, they are doing gamepass model, which is actually selling their system very well. Especially when this year, they had almost nothing from their 1st party studios.

I'm really not following any points you're trying to make here.

Sony invested in their system - yes. Microsoft is doing the same years later - yes. Problem?

Contrary to many beliefs, they are not beholden to this idyllic version of competition people have in mind. So long as 'all's fair in love and war' and business isn't fair, let's be fair about the unfairness. Sony is free to use their brand power and position to broker deals, and Microsoft is free to use their cash to do something about it.

 

[feynoob]

Games get 'taken off other platforms' all the time. Xbox owners know this all too well. Protection should be for consumers not market leading companies.

Dude that is how this industry works.
Here is xbox 360 exclusives. From full exclusives to timed exclusives. Meaning some of those games launched on other system after xbox 360 got them first.
The site has more clear picture.

Xbox 360

Visit the post for more.

www.gematsu.com

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[SportsFan581]

@ feynoob the pendulum on exclusive content swings in the direction of whoever has the larger install base. For titles that were primarily marketed in the US, the 360 had the bigger share of users at the time.

 

[feynoob]

I'm really not following any points you're trying to make here.

Sony invested in their system - yes. Microsoft is doing the same years later - yes. Problem?

Which means, Sony had a head start, and now MS is doing catch up.
Sony is in this position, because the invested in their system, unlike MS who did late.

trary to many beliefs, they are not beholden to this idyllic version of competition people have in mind. So long as 'all's fair in love and war' and business isn't fair, let's be fair about the unfairness. Sony is free to use their brand power and position to broker deals, and Microsoft is free to use their cash to do something about it.

That is how competition works. Just like x360 vs ps3. Not taking entire publishers, which has huge followers, and locking them to your system.

This is like Sony trying to merge with EA and Take 2. That is very bad for Xbox users.

 

[GhostOfTsu]

Dude that is how this industry works.
Here is xbox 360 exclusives. From full exclusives to timed exclusives. Meaning some of those games launched on other system after xbox 360 got them first.
The site has more clear picture.

Xbox 360

Visit the post for more.

www.gematsu.com

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The robots will say those games don't count, only Final Fantasy and Street Fighter or whatever Sony got. Always the same examples for years. Nothing Xbox does counts ever.

 

[feynoob]

@ feynoob the pendulum on exclusive content swings in the direction of whoever has the larger install base. For titles that were primarily marketed in the US, the 360 had the bigger share of users at the time.

Isnt that what the publishers wants? A guarentee userbase for their games.

Xbox lack of presence in japan allowed certain games to skip the console completly. You cant expect them to put games on your system, or marketing rights with that lower userbase.

MS needs huge investment in their system. From gamepass, to 1st party studios pumbing out games, to 3rd party deals like Ronin ps5 with team ninja. That is how you build a platform, and userbase.

 

[SportsFan581]

That is how competition works. Just like x360 vs ps3. Not taking entire publishers, which has huge followers, and locking them to your system.

Though a string of individual studio purchases would be easier to close, other than that I don't see much difference. The end result is the same.

 

[feynoob]

The robots will say those games don't count, only Final Fantasy and Street Fighter or whatever Sony got. Always the same examples for years. Nothing Xbox does counts ever.

They need to blame MS on this one. They slept on developing their 1st party. They slept on the x360 momentum with 3rd party deals. They wasted so much time, and opportunities.

 

[SportsFan581]

Isnt that what the publishers wants? A guarentee userbase for their games.

Xbox lack of presence in japan allowed certain games to skip the console completly. You cant expect them to put games on your system, or marketing rights with that lower userbase.

MS needs huge investment in their system. From gamepass, to 1st party studios pumbing out games, to 3rd party deals like Ronin ps5 with team ninja. That is how you build a platform, and userbase.

I don't have a problem with exclusivity deals or marketing agreements. If you want to play something that's not on the platform you have, you'll have to purchase whatever is needed to play it. Same with first-party studios. A game being exclusive is never going to limit consumers, if a gamer refuses to follow the game to wherever it's at, that's a self imposed limitation.

Hard to say that one is okay and the other isn't. The gaming industry is going to see further consolidation, regardless of if you like it or not. It's weird to me to take a position where MS shouldn't be allowed to partake in that as the smallest console player, with that right reserved for the dominant party instead.

 

[feynoob]

Though a string of individual studio purchases would be easier to close, other than that I don't see much difference. The end result is the same.

Look at Sony practices. They managed to buy their top talent studios that way. MS couldnt manage to lock down asobo and moon studios.
MS needs partnership with 3rd parties. They got forza and gears that way. Why cant they continue that business practise?

Sorry for getting out of the topic. But MS played a boring game, and now they want to spend tons of money, at the expense of consumers. My anger is toward them for using their resources, and claiming its for competition.

 

[feynoob]

I don't have a problem with exclusivity deals or marketing agreements. If you want to play something that's not on the platform you have, you'll have to purchase whatever is needed to play it. Same with first-party studios.

Hard to say that one is okay and the other isn't. The gaming industry is going to see further consolidation, regardless of if you like it or not. It's weird to me to take a position where MS shouldn't be allowed to partake in that as the smallest console player, with that right reserved for the dominant party instead.

I have no problem MS buying small studios. Everyone here wants them to do that.

But what we are not OK is spending that much money, and call it a competition. Bethesda plus activision is 70% of entire Sony industry worth.

Market capitalization of Sony (SONY)

Market cap: $102.88 Billion

 

[SportsFan581]

Look at Sony practices. They managed to buy their top talent studios that way. MS couldnt manage to lock down asobo and moon studios.
MS needs partnership with 3rd parties. They got forza and gears that way. Why cant they continue that business practise?

Sorry for getting out of the topic. But MS played a boring game, and now they want to spend tons of money, at the expense of consumers. My anger is toward them for using their resources, and claiming its for competition.

Who says they couldn't and aren't still doing that? Activision was for sale and MS had the means and opportunity to complete the deal, so they did.

 

[SportsFan581]

I have no problem MS buying small studios. Everyone here wants them to do that.

But what we are not OK is spending that much money, and call it a competition. Bethesda plus activision is 70% of entire Sony industry worth.

Market capitalization of Sony (SONY)

Market cap: $102.88 Billion

When Sony entered into gaming their market cap was considerably higher than the competition and they made good use of that. I don't think there are any rules that enforce a spending cap at whatever level the smallest competitor can afford.

 

[feynoob]

When Sony entered into gaming their market cap was considerably higher than the competition and they made good use of that. I don't think there are any rules that enforce a spending cap at whatever level the smallest competitor can afford.

Sony didnt own any system at that time, compared to other competitors who had their own system. MS could have done the same back then. Regulators wont have any issues with that.

Who says they couldn't and aren't still doing that?

I dont see them actually investing very heavily in exclusive 3rd party game. The only game they have so far is contraband.

Activision was for sale and MS had the means and opportunity to complete the deal, so they did.

Nobody is blaming them for that. Its why this deal would pass. The problem is COD. A major historic game, which can distrupt the market. And the price of that purchase.
All MS needs to do, is talk to regulators and sign that concession with COD, in terms which they can agree to.

The talk with the media is making this a shitshow. MS is using the public outrage to get out of these concession. Sadly its working. We just saw one today.

Regulators arent taking any side. And their opponent is a company, which spent a total of $75b on 2 big publishers. They need to do their job. But the rivalry between MS and Sony is getting in the way of their work. Too much emotion, and less time for critical thinking.

 

[Menzies]

Dude that is how this industry works.
Here is xbox 360 exclusives. From full exclusives to timed exclusives. Meaning some of those games launched on other system after xbox 360 got them first.
The site has more clear picture.

Xbox 360

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A big part of this which is often not remarked upon, is how difficult the PS3 was to develop for in the beginning. Not discounting the fact that Microsoft's strategy has changed since then.

PS3 Last Remnant delayed due to Unreal Engine

Square-Enix has confirmed that the issues with the PS3 version of The Last …

arstechnica.com

 

[feynoob]

A big part of this which is often not remarked upon, is how difficult the PS3 was to develop for in the beginning. Not discounting the fact that Microsoft's strategy has changed since then.

PS3 Last Remnant delayed due to Unreal Engine

Square-Enix has confirmed that the issues with the PS3 version of The Last …

arstechnica.com

Same thing could be argued with ps4 success.
If xbox one was like x360, ps4 wouldnt have been that succesful. And MS wouldnt have lost COD to Sony.

Both companies had plunders, and they paid the price.

 

[Hero of Spielberg]

I know this is an approval thread so all focus has been around the actual dirty work around the deal going through or not.

That being said, I'd like to know peoples genuine thoughts on the outcome of this deal going through.

Personally, I would like to see more content on Gsmepass as I feel it offers me better value. Also, I feel like MS would make an effort to get more out of under-utilised Blizzard properties as part of their need for more content to fuel their subscription strategy. They're my 'selfish' reasons for seeing the deal go through.

Further, I think that lighting a fire under Sony will give them the incentive to be more like PS4 era Sony. Hungry for customers, willing to sacrifice profit for value. I love that Sony!

When I compare that to the potential downsides listed by the CMA

- If MS lie and make COD exclusive.
Yea, sucks for people that will only buy a Sony console and want to play COD. But will it make everyone not buy a PS6 and result in the demise of competition in the industry? Maybe, but I feel like Sony has a bit more pull than just COD to keep them as a platform of choice.

- Streaming is the future and this deal sees them gain an unassailable lead with Gsmepass and they own the industry.
Well, given the fraction of the industry that streaming takes up now, and the issues with internet infrastructure that effect this future among other things it's a bit of a stretch imho

- this starts an all out exclusivity war!
Pretty sure that's what early gen gaming was like and everyone loved that era. Or at least look back on it fondly.

When I add it up, it just seems like so little at risk of letting this deal go through from sn industry/ consumer perspective.

As a final comment, I own a PS4 a Series X, PC and plan on getting a PS5 slim when it comes out, so I'm not a 'rabid fanboy' as some may think. I'm interested what others genuinely think?

 

[feynoob]

That being said, I'd like to know peoples genuine thoughts on the outcome of this deal going through.

The deal would pass. All that is left is COD on other systems.
If MS comes to terms with regulators, it will pass.

 

[Hero of Spielberg]

The deal would pass. All that is left is COD on other systems.
If MS comes to terms with regulators, it will pass.

I think it will pass too. I was just curious whether people actually believed any of this would lead to a monopoly or genuine anti-consumer outcomes as per CMA / EU concerns.

 

[solidus12]

What's weird is someone who doesn't really care for Xbox knows all the personalities on Twitter. Why would you even care?

I don't follow any of them, yet they keep spamming my timeline.

I'm not surprised you're taking their defense though, they're part of your cult, tribe or whatever you want to call it.

 

[gothmog]

Are we just going to ignore the fact that we've seen multiple acquisitions pre-Actibliz then

Yes. Sony was the first to ever make exclusive deals and acquire developers. Others are simply making multiple largest deals in industry history because of Sony aggression.

 

[Hero of Spielberg]

I don't follow any of them, yet they keep spamming my timeline.

I'm not surprised you're taking their defense though, they're part of your cult, tribe or whatever you want to call it.

Pretty sure the content you get served is based off an algorithm of your interests.

You're not a closet green rat are you?

 

[solidus12]

Pretty sure the content you get served is based off an algorithm of your interests.

You're not a closet green rat are you?

I might be

Spoiler

when they release a great game with the same production value of Ragnarok

 

[Hero of Spielberg]

I might be

Spoiler

when they release a great game with the same production value of Ragnarok

Ragnarok looks very good. I've been holding off on the first one and as soon as it came to PS+ my PS4 died. Looking forward to playing through both when Ivpick up a PS5 slim (hopefully) next year

 

[DenchDeckard]

Sony did that, because the invested in their system during ps3.
That is how they got their current users. MS should have done their model.

Hell, they are doing gamepass model, which is actually selling their system very well. Especially when this year, they had almost nothing from their 1st party studios.

So what you are saying, is in the generation where Sony performed the worst they invested in studios and their platform to make it better for next Gen. Isn't that Exactly what MS have been doing in the tail of the Xbox one?

 

[DarkMage619]

Pretty sure the content you get served is based off an algorithm of your interests.

You're not a closet green rat are you?

You caught that too huh. Guy is a closet Xbox fan. Why try and hide it bro it is a great console.

 

[feynoob]

So what you are saying, is in the generation where Sony performed the worst they invested in studios and their platform to make it better for next Gen. Isn't that Exactly what MS have been doing in the tail of the Xbox one?

That is what they are doing now. It's why they can't go a head and blame PS.
MS has tons of opportunities to beat them. Decided not to invest.
And now PS is enjoying those moment.

PS isn't the villain here. Exclusives exist. MS would have done the same thing, if Xbox one wasn't a disaster at launch.

I mean, they managed to get FF on xbox during x360. That is what MS was capable of.

 

[solidus12]

You caught that too huh. Guy is a closet Xbox fan. Why try and hide it bro it is a great console.

I loved 343´s take on God of War

 

[feynoob]

I think it will pass too. I was just curious whether people actually believed any of this would lead to a monopoly or genuine anti-consumer outcomes as per CMA / EU concerns.

CMA concerns is only from COD. It can distupt the market, but not cause a monopoly. Their biggest fear, is MS wallet.

68b plus 7.5b on 2 big publishers isn't an easy thing to do. MS just did that. Without their intervention, MS would spend more money buying big publishers, which could lead to a monopoly.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

I loved 343´s take on God of War

This is shit but at least it works

 

[Hero of Spielberg]

CMA concerns is only from COD. It can distupt the market, but not cause a monopoly. Their biggest fear, is MS wallet.

68b plus 7.5b on 2 big publishers isn't an easy thing to do. MS just did that. Without their intervention, MS would spend more money buying big publishers, which could lead to a monopoly.

Wouldn't the concern then be the regulation of subsequent acquisitions rather than preemptive actions to prevent what might happen in the future?

 

[Panajev2001a]

Wouldn't the concern then be the regulation of subsequent acquisitions rather than preemptive actions to prevent what might happen in the future?

They are looking at how they are spending the money now because the pattern already started. While they ride contractor waves for their previously started studios (see 343i, see The Coalition, etc…), they switched from buying and hopefully nurturing small studios (or setting up new ones) to buying big Multiplatform publishers that have titles that are key to the competition too.
It is about growth and support for their subscription service but also removing games from the competition that the competition depended on (TES Skyrim was immensely popular as a Multiplatform title and future TES titles being exclusive, DOOM 2016 and Eternal revived DOOM as a Multiplatform franchise and next titles smell like exclusive too, same for other big titles which were already WIP on multiple platforms like Starfield where MS acquisition resulted in the WIP PS4/PS5 version to be killed and Bethesda kind of apologising).

Activision-Blizzard has a lot of formerly quite strong Multiplatform properties. Regulators see a pattern that is not just growth but consolidation and reversing it later when the company goes from Invest to Monetise might be too late.

 

[Hero of Spielberg]

They are looking at how they are spending the money now because the pattern already started. While they ride contractor waves for their previously started studios (see 343i, see The Coalition, etc…), they switched from buying and hopefully nurturing small studios (or setting up new ones) to buying big Multiplatform publishers that have titles that are key to the competition too.
It is about growth and support for their subscription service but also removing games from the competition that the competition depended on (TES Skyrim was immensely popular as a Multiplatform title and future TES titles being exclusive, DOOM 2016 and Eternal revived DOOM as a Multiplatform franchise and next titles smell like exclusive too, same for other big titles which were already WIP on multiple platforms like Starfield where MS acquisition resulted in the WIP PS4/PS5 version to be killed and Bethesda kind of apologising).

Activision-Blizzard has a lot of formerly quite strong Multiplatform properties. Regulators see a pattern that is not just growth but consolidation and reversing it later when the company goes from Invest to Monetise might be too late.

You're essentially arguing that if MS potentially revives old titles and creates new strength through developing new games through their existing acquisitions that they shouldn't be able to aquire anyone else?

We're currently seeing Sony move to 'Monetise' with their strategy right now, but we should prevent MS from acquiring an increase in market share because they might do the same in the future?

Weird take if they do see it that way.

 

[feynoob]

Wouldn't the concern then be the regulation of subsequent acquisitions rather than preemptive actions to prevent what might happen in the future?

Cause and effect.
If regulators don't take action against this purchase, it sets a bad example.

Disney walked away with a big purchase. Imagine what would happen if they do the same thing to this purchase?

 

[Hero of Spielberg]

Cause and effect.
If regulators don't take action against this purchase, it sets a bad example.

Disney walked away with a big purchase. Imagine what would happen if they do the same thing to this purchase?

? The regulation needs to be based on current happenings and actual outcomes. Otherwise we just get into pre-cog shit about 'what might MS try next!' …

Otherwise you could just make a slippery slope and shut down any acquisition based on what future acquisitions they might make regardless of knowing what will occur if the current one eventuates.

 

[feynoob]

? The regulation needs to be based on current happenings and actual outcomes. Otherwise we just get into pre-cog shit about 'what might MS try next!' …

Otherwise you could just make a slippery slope and shut down any acquisition based on what future acquisitions they might make regardless of knowing what will occur if the current one eventuates.

Acquisition cost 68b. That is the red flag.
If it was 30b to 40b, there won't be that much issue.

Even MS admitted that.

Regulators job is to protect the market from these type of purchase. If there is no protection right now, future market would be in trouble.

 

[Hero of Spielberg]

Acquisition cost 68b. That is the red flag.
If it was 30b to 40b, there won't be that much issue.

Even MS admitted that.

Regulators job is to protect the market from these type of purchase. If there is no protection right now, future market would be in trouble.

Again, I would then ask as a result of *this acquisition in isolation* whether people actually predict Xbox to achieve a monopoly in the industry?

That is what the regulators need to be considering after all, not what potential acquisitions may come in the future, but what is happening right now.

The 'protection' doesn't just magically disappear after this deal. I'd assume they retain the power to block future deals is that might actually create a monopolistic environment?

 

[Panajev2001a]

You're essentially arguing that if MS potentially revives old titles and creates new strength through developing new games through their existing acquisitions that they shouldn't be able to aquire anyone else?

The franchises were already revived/still alive and popular on multiple devices.
If MS were creating completely new titles or reviving dead franchises it is one thing, but the worry is about taking existing Multiplatform franchises and removing them from other platforms which you are dancing around . We are not talking about new titles possible only due to the cash infusion, we are talking about existing Multiplatform franchises being removed from one platform they are competing against.

 

[Hero of Spielberg]

The franchises were already revived/still alive and popular on multiple devices.
If MS were creating completely new titles or reviving dead franchises it is one thing, but the worry is about taking existing Multiplatform franchises and removing them from other platforms which you are dancing around . We are not talking about new titles possible only due to the cash infusion, we are talking about existing Multiplatform franchises being removed from one platform they are competing against.

Im not dancing around anything, quite the contrary.

So you genuinely believe that the titles MS stand to acquire through this acquisition will result in them gaining a monopolistic position in the industry I.e. the end of Sony as market leader?

 

[Panajev2001a]

Again, I would then ask as a result of *this acquisition in isolation* whether people actually predict Xbox to achieve a monopoly in the industry?

That is what the regulators need to be considering after all, not what potential acquisitions may come in the future, but what is happening right now.

The 'protection' doesn't just magically disappear after this deal. I'd assume they retain the power to block future deals is that might actually create a monopolistic environment?

Regulators should look about market distortion effects, what each merger results in and the market affects it has. What you are arguing is closer to a boiling the frog effect where monopoly scenarios are a happy coincidence of a chain of events that is not isolated to single moments. Distort the market enough cutting the oxygen supply of your competition and more third parties fall in line with exclusive deals that cost you less and less to make.
The industry is not gaining new titles with these purchases, it is not growing, this purchase like Bethesda it is more to remove titles from the competition than anything else.

 

[feynoob]

Again, I would then ask as a result of *this acquisition in isolation* whether people actually predict Xbox to achieve a monopoly in the industry?

MS would own 2 big publishers, Xbox publisher. Any future acquisiotion would put them closely to a monopoly territory.

That is what the regulators need to be considering after all, not what potential acquisitions may come in the future, but what is happening right now.

Regulators job is to prevent any seed for a monopoly. Not just monopoly itself.

The 'protection' doesn't just magically disappear after this deal. I'd assume they retain the power to block future deals is that might actually create a monopolistic environment?

Any practise which can create a monopoly is on the table.
The reason why Sony isnt considered on that territoy, is because Xbox exist. Now add a company who is ready with unlimited money, and you can predict what they might do with that money.

The purchase of bethesda already caused a problem. Now with activision sale, most publishers are now looking to sell themselves. MS might snag some of them.

 

[Hero of Spielberg]

Regulators should look about market distortion effects, what each merger results in and the market affects it has. What you are arguing is closer to a boiling the frog effect where monopoly scenarios are a happy coincidence of a chain of events that is not isolated to single moments. Distort the market enough cutting the oxygen supply of your competition and more third parties fall in line with exclusive deals that cost you less and less to make.
The industry is not gaining new titles with these purchases, it is not growing, this purchase like Bethesda it is more to remove titles from the competition than anything else.

Again you assume regulators have no power to 'stop the frog from boiling' post this deal.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Im not dancing around anything, quite the contrary.

So you genuinely believe that the titles MS stand to acquire through this acquisition will result in them gaining a monopolistic position in the industry I.e. the end of Sony as market leader?

Not right away, but it creates a credible risk for the market to shift that way in a way regulators cannot do anything about after the deal goes through. The ir concern is that the intent of the deal, like what they have shown with the Bethesda deal, is felt as removing titles from the competition more than adding new value.
The day MS feels like they have regulators eyes off them and enough mindshare with theirs publishers that gets them timed or full exclusivity deals on a per title basis sure, they would see when and how to walk back Multiplatform deals like they have done with sequels to Skyrim (new TES titles) and other Multiplatform series (like StarField).

 

[Panajev2001a]

Again you assume regulators have no power to 'stop the frog from boiling' post this deal.

Yes, I do bot think they do much. MS will not try to acquire EA next sure, not soon anyways, but regulators cannot and have not stopped smaller acquisitions or especially (timed) exclusivity deals on a per game basis and you do know that.

 

[Hero of Spielberg]

Not right away, but it creates a credible risk for the market to shift that way in a way regulators cannot do anything about after the deal goes through. The ir concern is that the intent of the deal, like what they have shown with the Bethesda deal, is felt as removing titles from the competition more than adding new value.
The day MS feels like they have regulators eyes off them and enough mindshare with theirs publishers that gets them timed or full exclusivity deals on a per title basis sure, they would see when and how to walk back Multiplatform deals like they have done with sequels to Skyrim (new TES titles) and other Multiplatform series (like StarField).

This is still all pre-cog shit. On topof that you suggest MS should be preemptively restricted because the regulators may 'take their eyes off them'. Bizarre position