Ass of Can Whooping
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The same way every other developer publishes a game on PS?
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The same way every other developer publishes a game on PS?
gothmog
Gold Member
What deal? Sony is not buying anyone here. Regulators can't force Sony to the table on this.
akimbo009
Gold Member
Through agreements..... ?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
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bentanchorbolt
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His comment withstanding, if he offered Sony CoD and they turned him down because they didn't like the deal, I can tell you where my fingers are pointing, and I suspect most people would agree with me. But hey, he said this thing once and if you want to hold him to it with zero context, I guess you can.
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Hero of Spielberg
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I would have thought if MS put a deal forward to Sony, and Sony deny it, but the CMA or whoever say it is reasonable and greenlight then it's basically, well Sony had their shot at that particular deal but MS can adjust subsequent offers so long as they meet any specific criteria set down by regulators for approval.
HerpDerpstreit
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Netflix is charging "fuck you" prices already and imho they don't offer near the value that gamepass does. As I said, it will be quite some time before it happens but I won't be shocked when it does.
Hell with the phone, browser, and TV versions of Gamepass being a thing, I could see a tiered system where they charge more if you don't own a Microsoft console at all.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
And he made public comments saying "as long as there's a PlayStation, CoD will be on it…"
So… do we trust his word that people were parroting from Valve?
Honk honk.
Eddie-Griffin
Banned
I heard that Microsoft is going to bring COD: 30 frames persecond with drops in the teens warfare II, screen tearing edition to the Switch.
If anything this shows Microsoft isn't actually looking at the Switch hardware, they are just trying to convince the holdouts to give up and let the buyout go through. Since these regulators likely don't touch games it can probably work.
If anything this shows Microsoft isn't actually looking at the Switch hardware, they are just trying to convince the holdouts to give up and let the buyout go through. Since these regulators likely don't touch games it can probably work.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
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Given the glad-handing contracts MS put out for Nintendo/Steam and history of Minecraft as well as other major players like Epic or Tencent this regulatory approval is going ahead and MS are now in a position to tell Sony to get fucked and pull COD. That's not Phil or Satya's style though, nor would they burn a bridge to a chunk of probably 40-50% of Sony's revenue stream for sales and MTX.
It's possible COD on PS doesn't require an agreement, but I wouldn't bank on it, and certainly not long term as MS/Xbox/GP and wider audiences eat away at the PS base for years.
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Ass of Can Whooping
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Sony and MS do not need to come to an agreement about COD for MS to continue to publish on PS if this deal passes
How is this confusing you?
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akimbo009
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I'd think so to. From the podcast, it's clear that MS want the revenue from Sony. So to that, they aren't looking to make up for it through exclusivity - they want to publish on Sony. Sony rejecting the agreement makes that unlikely. It's like Sony is slapping itself and asking MS why it's making them get hurt.
Since it's in MS's interest to maintain this revenue I'd imagine whether an agreement is made part of CMA or whatever, the effort towards an agreement will continue to be in both parties interests (Sony/MS).
feynoob
Banned
The price you are suggesting is almost 2 month full game. Not to mention the total would be $360. That is 2x jump. People arent that stupid.
This is not ready yet. It would need time for xcloud to be smooth. As of now, its on beta phase.
bender
What time is it?
feynoob
Banned
Yes. (Not with MS).
akimbo009
Gold Member
So anyone can just publish - like - I could go out there, create some shitty game and publish on it without Sony being aware of it? I'll also hope that they send me whatever revenue/royalties I've earned too. No need for an agreement. Just magic?
bentanchorbolt
Banned
Hold up, I keep seeing you go back and forth about this with a few other people, but nobody is offering specifics on either side. It's basically:
"yeah you can"
"no you cant"
"yeah you can"
"no you cant"
So I don't know who is right here, but let me ask you this: can anyone release a game on the PlayStation without entering into some kind of contract or making a deal in some way? Is anyone free to publish games on the PlayStation at their own discretion with zero need to sign any documents?
feynoob
Banned
If regulators approve MS purchase, Sony would have to listen to what regulators would say, as the IP would belong to MS.
Sony doesnt have a choice, after the approval. Its either accept or deny it, and no COD.
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feynoob
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Topher
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lol....just messing around.
I have a hell of a lot more context in what Phil Spencer has said publicly, repeatedly (no, not just once) than you do with a contract you have not even seen.
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DeepEnigma
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They won and award for it this year
Ass of Can Whooping
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Holy shit. This isn't difficult
The 10 year contract and the publishing agreement to put games on PS are two separate things.
bentanchorbolt
Banned
Now you are splitting hairs. Like I said, irrespective of what Phil has stated publicly, no matter how many times he has said it, if Sony doesn't want to accept these deals and therefore lose out on CoD, why does that reflect poorly on Phil and not Jim Ryan? Because like I already said I know where my finger is pointing and I suspect most people feel the same way.
ChiefDada
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Here is Valve's public response:
Your posts are so desperate and embarrassing.
"Microsoft offered and even sent us a draft agreement for a long-term Call of Duty commitment but it wasn't necessary for us because (...) Phil and the games team at Microsoft have always followed through on what they told us they would do so we trust their intentions"
LOL
Microsoft Announces Bizarre Pledge To Bring Call of Duty To Nintendo Consoles
It's a '10-year commitment' that also includes continued support on Steam as wellkotaku.com
While I don't agree with my post being "desperate or embarrassing", I will admit that I am surprised Valve gave that statement prior to official close. I don't recall ever seeing an industry 3rd party take an affirmation on a deal under review ever in my professional career.
Loxus
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So Microsoft was planning on timed releases on PlayStation and exclusive content on Xbox to make Xbox seem like the better place to be?
They probably thought Sony was going to give in like with Bethesda but Sony wasn't having it.
For some reason this fells like this deal is riding on Sony accepting that 10 year deal and the regulators have to convince Sony to accept, otherwise Microsoft wouldn't have to care if Sony accepted the deal or not.
I really wish Phil would just publish the full extent of the deal and stop with all this PR BS.
Ass of Can Whooping
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The 10-year contract is not a publishing agreement. It is a commitment by MS to continue releasing COD on PS. Sony does not need to accept the former to continue engaging with MS with the latter should the deal pass
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Sanepar
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I have my subscription active until dec/2024. Use on pc and series X. But i believe next year ultimate will rise for $25-30 easily after the deal. Someone will pay $70bn and it will be us.
akimbo009
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There is an existing agreement with Activision that is pending expiration. That agreement will need to be replaced. MS has offered two replacements 3 Years, and 10 Years. If the 10 year or the 3 year don't get agreed and committed to, the previous publishing agreement will expire and there will be no agreement.
Do you understand now?
feynoob
Banned
If the person is refusing, then phil has no choice here.
Sony isnt interested in hearing him, and want to destroy this deal.
Hero of Spielberg
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I would say it's more MS have to put forward an offer that regulators deem acceptable. If the regulators say all good, but Sony say no, then it's tough shit for Sony.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I am having a hard time fathoming which part of the post you quoted led you to this conclusion ...
it's .. baffling ..
Loxus
Member
Phil is a known liar.
I'm still waiting on all those games he promised us since he became CEO.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Valve says long-term Call of Duty Steam offer not needed as ‘Xbox always follows through on its promises’ | VGC
Gabe Newell offers show of support as Microsoft seeks to push through Activision Blizzard deal…
www.videogameschronicle.com
Gabe Newell disagrees with you.
Ass of Can Whooping
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The existing agreement is a marketing agreement. No you do not need a marketing agreement to publish the game.
feynoob
Banned
Why do you care about him, if he is a liar?
Shouldnt you ignore him?
DeepEnigma
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Loxus
Member
It was posted in this thread recently.
Activision ticks lower amid report Sony unlikely to accept Microsoft offer
The last ditch effort comes after Smith penned a Wall Street Journal op-ed piece on Monday, where he confirmed that Microsoft (MSFT) was offering rival Sony (SONY) a 10-year guarantee for same-day Call of Duty release.
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bentanchorbolt
Banned
Yep, Gabe Newell, the guy who historically has had an axe to grind with MS and has not been shy in the past about letting his thoughts be known about them, thinks that both Phil Spencer and MS are so on the level that he doesn't feel the need to sign the contract, because their word is that good. Though I suppose random GAFFERS know better.[/URL]
Gabe Newell disagrees with you.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Yeah, we all know that.
I'm asking which part of that statement led you to say THIS gem:
Where does it say anything about planned timed releases or exclusive content on Xbox ? Highlight that please.
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akimbo009
Gold Member
You so sure about that...
How to Pitch your Game to PlayStation
So you like to make games? That’s great news! Sony Interactive Entertainment has long been a destination for unique and creative games from small teams, and we believe that new Indie studios are vital to the growth of our platform and the industry as a whole. Indies bring new ideas, push the...
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"Once a partner registration is approved and you sign a Global Developer and Publisher Agreement (GDPA), you'll have access to our backend tools which will allow you to learn much more about developing and publishing on our platform. We have also put many new programs in place to better support Indie partners on our platform through the PlayStation Indies initiative and look forward to continuing to build new opportunities to support indie developers and their games."
GDPA Example
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feynoob
Banned
Too much emotion here.
Look at what page we are in. Its not even a 6 month yet.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
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Not gonna lie, I kinda wanna see Phil slow start a developer developers developers jig at The Game Awards tomorrow with Satya bringing in a crowd of Furukawa, Sweeney, Newell & Choi while Keighley & Kojima canoodle in the background just as Fares pops out of a cake and exclaims "Fuck Sony" with his middle finger. There would be a visible congratulations on the cake from the FTC.
Relax, it's a joke.
Relax, it's a joke.
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Loxus
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Which part of 10 year deal for day one releases don't you understand?
It mean Microsoft was planning timed and exclusive content without the deal.
feynoob
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Ass of Can Whooping
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You so sure about that...
How to Pitch your Game to PlayStation
So you like to make games? That’s great news! Sony Interactive Entertainment has long been a destination for unique and creative games from small teams, and we believe that new Indie studios are vital to the growth of our platform and the industry as a whole. Indies bring new ideas, push the...
"Once a partner registration is approved and you sign a Global Developer and Publisher Agreement (GDPA), you'll have access to our backend tools which will allow you to learn much more about developing and publishing on our platform. We have also put many new programs in place to better support Indie partners on our platform through the PlayStation Indies initiative and look forward to continuing to build new opportunities to support indie developers and their games."
Yes, I am sure about that. Because when you sign the GDPA you are not giving Sony exclusive rights to market your game, which is the agreement they have with Activision, because it's a seperate agreement entirely.
Loxus
Member
Why are you behaving like Phil's PR guy?
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I'm surprised you're still hung on this, I quoted Phil's direct response to that FUD in the first post.
Microsoft reaches 10-year deal with Nintendo for Call of Duty
The pressure is now truly on Sony to accept a similar deal.
www.theverge.com
I said the below in jest but holy shit I had no idea it'll be this prophetic...
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feynoob
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Topher
Identifies as young
Nah....bullshit, dude. You don't get to say I'm holding Phil Spencer to a one time statement with "zero context" and then say I'm "splitting hairs" when I point out that you are flatly wrong.
Regardless, I'd say if this whole thing ends up with Call of Duty not being on PlayStation then this will reflect poorly on both Phil Spencer and Jim Ryan.
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