Ass of Can Whooping
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Good. No need for Sony to aquire them then
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Good. No need for Sony to aquire them then
ChorizoPicozo
Member
Is not in the lawsuit. That is all that mattersFTC is having some series issues internally. So their work is underpowered, and lacks actual key points. I liked the CMA points more.
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MisterXDTV
Member
So they should approve the deal just because Microsoft is so bad in this business they finish last despite having unlimited resources....
Just let them buy every third-party publisher then, until they finally "win" against much smaller companies
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Menzies
Banned
So they simultaneously want to hold them accountable to a concession they made during time of acquisition, yet no regulators held them to account on it. Then aren't they entitled to do as they wish?
Thirty7ven
Banned
I know this isnt related to this case, but I want to share this article with you guys. This about the FTC work enviroment. To be precise, this june.
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GHG @reksveks
Do you guys think the FTC with this kind of enviroment, has any chance against MS?
Damn is that *sniff sniff* politically driven corpo backed bullshit I smell?
ChorizoPicozo
Member
Now debunked by EU. Unconditional approval. FTC cherry picking parts of a EU document, to back Sony talking points, embarrassing for them ultimately.
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
It wasn't debunked. Once again, you should probably read this thread a little bit more
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Well they are trying to use those unlimited resources you're talking about ..
MisterXDTV
Member
Never debunked by EU. There's an official EU document online that confirms what FTC wrote yesterday
feynoob
Banned
This news is getting out of hand now.
www.gamedeveloper.com
wccftech.com
www.theverge.com
European Commission argues FTC's Microsoft lawsuit is unjustified
The European Commission is looking into Microsoft's merger with Activision Blizzard, but doesn't think the FTC's lawsuit has any real substance.
Microsoft Didn't Lie to the EU on ZeniMax Deal Like the FTC Said, According to Sources
A new report says that Microsoft did not lie about the future exclusivity of ZeniMax games to the EU like the FTC had suggested yesterday.
wccftech.com
The FTC claimed Microsoft misled the EU, it appears the FTC was wrong.
[Link: Microsoft Didn't Lie to the EU on ZeniMax Deal Like the FTC Said, According to Sources | https://wccftech.com/microsoft-didnt-lie-on-zenimax-deal-like-the-ftc-said-according-to-eu-sources/amp/ | Wccftech] In its recent filing against Microsoft the FTC claimed that the company misled EU...
www.theverge.com
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
There were no concession. That's not the point that's being made
I need to get these educational camps in operation asap
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
This news is getting out of hand now.
European Commission argues FTC's Microsoft lawsuit is unjustified
The European Commission is looking into Microsoft's merger with Activision Blizzard, but doesn't think the FTC's lawsuit has any real substance.
Microsoft Didn't Lie to the EU on ZeniMax Deal Like the FTC Said, According to Sources
A new report says that Microsoft did not lie about the future exclusivity of ZeniMax games to the EU like the FTC had suggested yesterday.
The FTC claimed Microsoft misled the EU, it appears the FTC was wrong.
[Link: Microsoft Didn't Lie to the EU on ZeniMax Deal Like the FTC Said, According to Sources | https://wccftech.com/microsoft-didnt-lie-on-zenimax-deal-like-the-ftc-said-according-to-eu-sources/amp/ | Wccftech] In its recent filing against Microsoft the FTC claimed that the company misled EU...
Hearts and minds baby
Topher
Identifies as young
This news is getting out of hand now.
European Commission argues FTC's Microsoft lawsuit is unjustified
The European Commission is looking into Microsoft's merger with Activision Blizzard, but doesn't think the FTC's lawsuit has any real substance.
Microsoft Didn't Lie to the EU on ZeniMax Deal Like the FTC Said, According to Sources
A new report says that Microsoft did not lie about the future exclusivity of ZeniMax games to the EU like the FTC had suggested yesterday.
The FTC claimed Microsoft misled the EU, it appears the FTC was wrong.
[Link: Microsoft Didn't Lie to the EU on ZeniMax Deal Like the FTC Said, According to Sources | https://wccftech.com/microsoft-didnt-lie-on-zenimax-deal-like-the-ftc-said-according-to-eu-sources/amp/ | Wccftech] In its recent filing against Microsoft the FTC claimed that the company misled EU...
That first headline is hilarious. Where did EU say the FTC lawsuit was unjustified?
MisterXDTV
Member
Yes they are, in an anti-competitive manner: by using cheques to buy publishers instead of building their own studios and grow talent
feynoob
Banned
They put a poster person, instead of actually a qualified person.
The article mentions how she has no experience for the actual court business. Its alarming, as other companies can exploit that easily.
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
This news is getting out of hand now.
European Commission argues FTC's Microsoft lawsuit is unjustified
The European Commission is looking into Microsoft's merger with Activision Blizzard, but doesn't think the FTC's lawsuit has any real substance.
Microsoft Didn't Lie to the EU on ZeniMax Deal Like the FTC Said, According to Sources
A new report says that Microsoft did not lie about the future exclusivity of ZeniMax games to the EU like the FTC had suggested yesterday.
The FTC claimed Microsoft misled the EU, it appears the FTC was wrong.
[Link: Microsoft Didn't Lie to the EU on ZeniMax Deal Like the FTC Said, According to Sources | https://wccftech.com/microsoft-didnt-lie-on-zenimax-deal-like-the-ftc-said-according-to-eu-sources/amp/ | Wccftech] In its recent filing against Microsoft the FTC claimed that the company misled EU...
The reading comprehension of the media never fails to amaze
feynoob
Banned
MisterXDTV
Member
And they call themselves "journalists"
Just wait until EU blocks the deal as well, it will be hilarious
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I wouldn't call promising at least 10 years guarantee of marquee first party IP to other consoles strictly 'anti competitive', but ultimately that will be for the courts and regulatory authorities to decide.
Anyway, to your earlier point I don't see any way where they don't deliver on the commitment if the deal gets approved.
Menzies
Banned
They offered up some good will intentions. No one asked for ink to meet paper to clamp it down. Therefore fair game.
If the FTC wants to kick up a fuss over this point, shouldn't the onus be on them to have enforced it with a consent decree back then?
feynoob
Banned
I have been on the fence about this 10 years deal.
But after going back to that EU zenimax, I can see the potential risk there.
MS would need numbers, in order to make the game exclusive. If gamepass is their success, and has the numbers, it could theoritically make COD exclusive to gamepass.
MS themselves stated that to EU.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
If there's no commitment and they're able to cover that missing chunk from PS revenue using Nintendo and other means then maybe but I still don't think it'll happen.
But if it's a part of the concessions then there really won't be much of a choice for MS. They'll be legally obligated to follow through.
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
Once again, this has nothing to do with promises or concessions. It's a simple matter of say one thing, then do another. They're using it on the basis that you can't trust Microsoft on good faith
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EU statement confirms the ZeniMax approval was unconditional and didn't rely on MS statements about exclusivity as it would have no material impact on competition regardless.
FTC comments have clearly been debunked.
Highly embarrassing for the FTC. Either incompetent or lying, neither is going to end well for them.
Thirty7ven
Banned
Hearts and minds baby
Trash gaming media and MS's pro bono shilling workers will move on like nothing happened and pretend they didn't write a bunch of bullshit for months on end once the deal is blocked.
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
What writen contracts have they broke again? SONY can sign a 10 year deal. If Microsoft was going to break contracts they have deathloop as a exclusive and ghost wire tokyo. They have honored every contract period as part of the deal.
Menzies
Banned
Sure. So they've acknowledged the different pre-statements and signed 10-year deals this time where?
Ass of Can Whooping
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Thirty7ven
Banned
Honor, bushido and the Microsoft way of life.
CatLady
Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
Got a link to where Microsoft pledged not to remove Starfield and Redfall. I'm pretty sure they didn't especially since you can't remove something that was never there in the first place.
Xbox did not remove any games that were actually on rival systems, but Redfall and Starfield are not even released on Xbox yet.
EU Responds To FTC's Concerns Over Microsoft's Acquisition Of ZeniMax & Activision Blizzard
Update: New report sheds more light on the story
www.purexbox.com
This sums up the relevant quotes nicely.
GHG
Gold Member
This news is getting out of hand now.
European Commission argues FTC's Microsoft lawsuit is unjustified
The European Commission is looking into Microsoft's merger with Activision Blizzard, but doesn't think the FTC's lawsuit has any real substance.
Microsoft Didn't Lie to the EU on ZeniMax Deal Like the FTC Said, According to Sources
A new report says that Microsoft did not lie about the future exclusivity of ZeniMax games to the EU like the FTC had suggested yesterday.
The FTC claimed Microsoft misled the EU, it appears the FTC was wrong.
[Link: Microsoft Didn't Lie to the EU on ZeniMax Deal Like the FTC Said, According to Sources | https://wccftech.com/microsoft-didnt-lie-on-zenimax-deal-like-the-ftc-said-according-to-eu-sources/amp/ | Wccftech] In its recent filing against Microsoft the FTC claimed that the company misled EU...
This is not going to have the outcome these authors think it will have.
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
EU Responds To FTC's Concerns Over Microsoft's Acquisition Of ZeniMax & Activision Blizzard
Update: New report sheds more light on the story
This sums up the relevant quotes nicely.
No, i'm asking you to provide a direct quote of what the FTC said.
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Menzies
Banned
The part where they extrapolate the statements over here, versus the actions over there and fuze the two into a prediction.
Ass of Can Whooping
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
Only in absolutes.
always
bentanchorbolt
Banned
It's funny watching both sides here bicker back and forth like either one of them has a pot to piss in when it comes to having an informed take.
Ass of Can Whooping
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feynoob
Banned
That piece of document is against them. They put themselves in a situation by saying that.
Now, no one would believe their 10 years, when they have gamepass.
Regulators would need a much better term.
bentanchorbolt
Banned
I'm not going to argue with you. The idea that most of you truly understand the ramifications of what is going on here to the point that you can make an informed decision which way this will go, is laughable. This is a fun thread, but some of the takes in here on both sides don't really hold any weight. If folks that worked these cases in the past could read this thread I am certain they'd be laughing at 99% of what is being said.
Swift_Star
Banned
Almost everyone at both threads.
Menzies
Banned
I'm not looking to point score here.
They're saying we don't trust you at your word. Right?
So isn't there some acknowledgement that;
a) they could have made this iron-clad previously with a consent decree.
b) this time Microsoft has made different pre-statements to the public.
c) they've already drafted 10-year term commitments with rivals.
So what relevance is there pointing out we don't trust you at your word when this is clearly different?
Thirty7ven
Banned
I blame Hollywood for people looking at this stuff like some TV court room drama.
"Your honor they put it in writing that they would keep releasing Call of Duty games on PS5"
"Objection your honor!"
"It's right here on page -"
"Objection! Your honor, it does not specify which Call of Duty games, and therefore Call of Duty Toilet Warfare meets the criteria! Gotcha!
"Case dismissed!"
"Your honor they put it in writing that they would keep releasing Call of Duty games on PS5"
"Objection your honor!"
"It's right here on page -"
"Objection! Your honor, it does not specify which Call of Duty games, and therefore Call of Duty Toilet Warfare meets the criteria! Gotcha!
"Case dismissed!"
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Er... if you really think that then I have a bridge to sell you.
No one is arguing based on what Idas as a user thinks.
We are all posting based on the ARTICLE he copied that is paywalled for the rest of us cheapos.
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Swift_Star
Banned
I'm 100% sure of what I'm saying.
Buy your own bridge.
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feynoob
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Ass of Can Whooping
Member
The relevance is that the language Microsoft has been using regarding Actibliz (it doesn't make financial sense to go exclusive etc) is the same language they used for Zenimax,
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