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Era is just another level. No another world they life in. Complete brainwashed and braindead with all their fanfiction revenge stories that MS would release some kind of NUKE when it doesn't work out for them lol.

MS never should've purely turned their focus on a rental service alone. You can clearly see that GP isn't really growing and that they are almost put in the shadow realm with game sales from big third party games.
Supposedly Hogwarts Legacy was selling at a ratio of 5:1 in favor of PS5 to Xbox Series in those initial UK numbers. The UK is the second largest and only overseas market for Xbox outside of North America, so if it's doing that badly on Xbox there it's not clear exactly what path forward MS really has in terms of attracting 3rd parties to any kind of future marketing or exclusivity deals. Their solution of just buying every publisher and studio they could get their hands on will most likely no longer be viable after the ATVI deal falls through.
 
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Supposedly Hogwarts Legacy was selling at a ratio of 5:1 in favor of PS5 to Xbox Series in those initial UK numbers. The UK is the second largest and only overseas market for Xbox outside of North America, so if it's doing that badly on Xbox there it's not clear exactly what path forward MS really has in terms of attracting 3rd parties to any kind of future marketing or exclusivity deals. Their solution of just buying every publisher and studio they could get their hands on will most likely no longer be viable after the ATVI deal falls through.

The two are not that far apart in terms of install base in the UK. Not sure what's causing the divide.
 

Pelta88

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I am a nobody. Not a fan of Xbox or cod.

Considering this is a a trillion dollar company buying another billion dollar company, I am like speck of dust to them.

You are somebody. We don't know you personally but here, you are feynoob feynoob Not a spec of dust! And far more important to our conversation than Phil Spencer.

All we were saying is that we value your opinion. Not the opinion of unqualified experts trying to frame every development as a positive for XBOX. Leading an audience with false equivalencies for a gain in followers.

We actually want to hear your thoughts. Not Hoe Law.
 

Mr Reasonable

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it's not clear exactly what path forward MS really has in terms of attracting 3rd parties to any kind of future marketing or exclusivity deals.
Those marketing deals are just money for the publisher. It's been said before that they don't care who pays, and the fee is the same.

As for exclusivity deals, I would imagine that's about to become less relevant, the Microsoft studios can't just never release a game. So many of them have had something in development for years that there's no way that Microsoft doesn't start pumping out exclusives in the next 18months/2 years, imo.
Their solution of just buying every publisher and studio they could get their hands on will most likely no longer be viable after the ATVI deal falls through.
The only reason this deal is falling through (and as I've said before, I hope it doesn't complete - there are many games I'd welcome to Gamepass ahead of COD), is because of how much money is involved. If Microsoft and Remedy wanted to do a deal, it wouldn't be a problem. There are many studios that Microsoft could buy up without intervention from trade commissions.
 
It's always been interesting to me that Microsoft wants to whine about how dominant Sony is and that's why they are buying out publishers.

Sony is dominant because they put out stellar first party titles from studios they really helped grow.

Whenever Sony folds somebody into their first-party, it's rarely anyone that someone wouldn't see coming(Bungie, for example), but usually someone who was basically already developing for them anyway..

The other part of Microsoft's argument is the fact that Nintendo is pretty much the same. In 2023, I still argue that as good as Sony is, no one does AAA first-party as well as The Big N to this day.

Nintendo carved out their own niche and will continue to be successful, but you don't see them screaming about Sony. They've done very well.

Xbox has done well also. So you're not first and that's okay, imo. I still like a lot of their ideas, just not the buyouts.
 

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Banjo64

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Okay then what would explain the big gap if the two are close?
Speculation but could be that Xbox users like social games more and PS users like narrative driven games more? Seems to be what they’ve both focused on, so it makes sense that they attract the users that like the available games. Could be the old argument that Game Pass conditions people not to buy games also.
 
Ah, UK physical release sales - still the console warriors dreamstat… Doesn’t matter that 5 to 1 is probably close to literal sales figures :messenger_beaming:

Well I did mention what he said about digital sales. If true then the gap would still be significant between the two. I don't think he's a console warrior BTW.
 
Well I did mention what he said about digital sales. If true then the gap would still be significant between the two. I don't think he's a console warrior BTW.
I haven’t read the thread (way too time consuming) so don’t know who said it - was just amused to see UK physical sales are still a hill people die on…
 
I haven’t read the thread (way too time consuming) so don’t know who said it - was just amused to see UK physical sales are still a hill people die on…

I mean the article was about physical sales. And then the person who provided that information said that digital sales would only close the gap a little bit. In the end there's still a sizable gap between the two when it comes to Hogwarts sales.

Don't think there's anything wrong with wondering why the gap is significant when the two are close in the UK.
 
Sony is dominant because they put out stellar first party titles from studios they really helped grow.

I disagree on that. Sony is dominant because of how they managed to be successful back in the PS1 and PS2 era, in which they played many shady tactics to lock games and content away from other platforms such as Dreamcast, Saturn, OG XBOX and Gamecube. They won most of their user base because of being the place to play Final Fantasy, GTA, Resident Evil, Metal Gear Solid, Pro Evolution Soccer, either withe complete exclusive of some of those ips or content as weird as dubbing.

  • PS4 sales - 117.2 million
  • PS3 sales - 87.4 million (as of March 2017)
  • PS2 sales - 155 million (as of March 2012)
  • PS1 sales - 102.4 million (as of March 2012)

I’m not debating if Sony’s first party output is excellent or poor, but they aren’t dominant because of their turnaround back in the PS3 era, but how they won the user base with PS1 and PS2
 
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I disagree on that. Sony is dominant because of how they managed to be successful back in the PS1 and PS2 era, in which they played many shady tactics to lock games and content away from other platforms such as Dreamcast, Saturn, OG XBOX and Gamecube. They won most of their user base because of being the place to play Final Fantasy, GTA, PES, Resident Evil, Metal Gear Solid, Pro Evolution Soccer, either withe complete exclusive of some of those ips or content as weird as dubbing.

I’m not debating if Sony’s first party output is excellent or poor, but they aren’t dominant because of their turnaround back in the PS3 era, but how they won the user base with PS1 and PS2

“Shady tactics” = being technologically innovative by introducing more desirable media formats for third parties to release games on

Sure Jan
 
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IFireflyl

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I disagree on that. Sony is dominant because of how they managed to be successful back in the PS1 and PS2 era, in which they played many shady tactics to lock games and content away from other platforms such as Dreamcast, Saturn, OG XBOX and Gamecube. They won most of their user base because of being the place to play Final Fantasy, GTA, PES, Resident Evil, Metal Gear Solid, Pro Evolution Soccer, either withe complete exclusive of some of those ips or content as weird as dubbing.

I’m not debating if Sony’s first party output is excellent or poor, but they aren’t dominant because of their turnaround back in the PS3 era, but how they won the user base with PS1 and PS2

This argument would only hold weight if Microsoft didn't knock it out of the park with the Xbox 360. That they did is evidence that Sony's PlayStation 1/2 dominance and shady tactics isn't the reason for Microsoft's shortcomings.
 

gothmog

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Do you think bc are in favor? If three unions groups are contrary would be the same?
Its not that. The regulators already saw through this ploy to make employee working conditions some kind of benefit to the deal. After the announcements that this is probably going to fail we saw a bunch of articles talking about work from home is going away and how the horrible Bobby Kotick will be boss if the deal fails. Now this week we'll start with the labor unions talking about how good Microsoft might make it if they acquired them. It's typical spin and FUD cycles Microsoft is famous for.

If anything, these regulators should ban Activision from being able to sell itself until the conditions are considered resolved.
 

Varteras

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Yeah. We're well beyond the point of using the idea of workers unionizing to affect decisions. As if Activision or Microsoft have some good records of allowing unions as it is. Activision only allowed it with Raven to save face at a time when their executives desperately needed some goodwill. They've still been trying to influence against it. Same with Microsoft trying to look like the good guys for buying one of the largest publishers in the world by going, "Unions? Uhhh... yeah. Sure. We'd totally be cool with that. We even let some QA guys at Zenimax do it. Fuckers. Huh? Oh I didn't say anything". The only reason those unions are in favor of the deal is because they smell an opportunity to increase their headcounts for more union dues. Regulators aren't stupid, despite what shills and fanboys want us to believe. They know the whole thing is an act by bad faith players.
 

Varteras

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So if the eu block the deal
What will happen next

As I understand it;

If the EC blocks the deal, it's over.

If the CMA blocks the deal, it's over.

If the FTC blocks the deal, Microsoft can appeal to the FTC's internal court, where they will almost certainly lose. Then they can try to take it to Federal Court which will likely take years to reach a decision. Microsoft can try to go ahead with the merger in that time, but if the Federal court says no then Microsoft gets slapped with massive fines, reparations to companies whose business they damaged, and would have to immediately divest the company. Microsoft would have to be super willing to blow $70 billion just to possibly eventually lose everything they bought, sell it off for less than they paid, and pay a ton of other monetary consequences.
 

Brucey

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I disagree on that. Sony is dominant because of how they managed to be successful back in the PS1 and PS2 era, in which they played many shady tactics to lock games and content away from other platforms such as Dreamcast, Saturn, OG XBOX and Gamecube. They won most of their user base because of being the place to play Final Fantasy, GTA, Resident Evil, Metal Gear Solid, Pro Evolution Soccer, either withe complete exclusive of some of those ips or content as weird as dubbing.

  • PS4 sales - 117.2 million
  • PS3 sales - 87.4 million (as of March 2017)
  • PS2 sales - 155 million (as of March 2012)
  • PS1 sales - 102.4 million (as of March 2012)

I’m not debating if Sony’s first party output is excellent or poor, but they aren’t dominant because of their turnaround back in the PS3 era, but how they won the user base with PS1 and PS2
PS3 lost a ton of market share, primarily imo due to the two holiday season headstart for the 360, much cheaper price of entry with 360 core/arcade, and MS successfully obtaining many exclusive or timed exclusive games. This pushed Sony to double down on their internal studios.
 

xHunter

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So if the eu block the deal
What will happen next
MS allocates another 30 billion to the gaming division. With 96 billion Phil visits every publisher and buys exclusivity for all majord third party games.

But for real, they probably end the deal, Activision gets 3 billion and we wait until next wednesday for the next publisher to be bought.
 
I disagree on that. Sony is dominant because of how they managed to be successful back in the PS1 and PS2 era, in which they played many shady tactics to lock games and content away from other platforms such as Dreamcast, Saturn, OG XBOX and Gamecube. They won most of their user base because of being the place to play Final Fantasy, GTA, Resident Evil, Metal Gear Solid, Pro Evolution Soccer, either withe complete exclusive of some of those ips or content as weird as dubbing.

  • PS4 sales - 117.2 million
  • PS3 sales - 87.4 million (as of March 2017)
  • PS2 sales - 155 million (as of March 2012)
  • PS1 sales - 102.4 million (as of March 2012)

I’m not debating if Sony’s first party output is excellent or poor, but they aren’t dominant because of their turnaround back in the PS3 era, but how they won the user base with PS1 and PS2
I loved those games! And yes they were exclusives on Playstation. Those games, outside of Final Fantasy, began on Playstation. And were only possible on it( and maybe PC?). Sony made history when they decided to enter the console market. Thanks for reminding us of some of their success. As for the "shady tactics" I am interested in details. What did they ever did that Microsoft or Nintendo didn't do?
So if the eu block the deal
What will happen next
This is what the commision says about mergers :
Reasons for approval or prohibition of a proposed merger
In assessing proposed mergers, the Commission considers whether they can be expected to significantly impede effective competition in the EU. If they do not, they are approved unconditionally. If they do, and no commitments suitable to remove the impediment are proposed by the merging firms, problematic mergers must be prohibited to protect businesses and consumers from higher prices or a more limited choice of goods or services. Proposed mergers may be prohibited, for example, if the merging parties are major competitors or if the merger would otherwise significantly weaken effective competition in the market, in particular by creating or strengthening a dominant player.
Conditional approvals
Most problematic mergers are nevertheless approved, with specific conditions. In the course of the merger review process, companies have the opportunity to propose and negotiate solutions with the European Commission. Therefore, even if the European Commission finds that a proposed merger could distort competition, the parties may commit to taking action to try to correct this likely effect. They may commit, for example, to sell part of the combined business or to license technology to another market player. If the European Commission is satisfied that the commitments would maintain or restore competition in the market, thereby protecting consumer interests, it gives conditional clearance for the merger to go ahead. It then monitors whether the merging companies fulfil their commitments and may intervene if they do not.
The EU seems to prefer talking with the companies and try to find a solution. Unless Microsoft really refuses to answer their preocupations, they should obtain a conditional clearance for it. I think that if the EU block the deal they would warn Microsoft that if they do what they want anyway the EU would make them pay a few billions.
 
I mean, how likely is it at this point they'll put the kibosh on this? I'm just curious.
As of right now, this deal does not pass without some major concessions being written in. Either divestment of CoD or CoD + Blizzard, or some other agreements the CMA finds agreeable.

As for killing it outright, they basically aren't going to do that. Rather, they have put the ball in MS' court to decide one of two things:

> Fundamentally alter the deal and lower the value you'll derive from it
> Walk away from it.

If MS hasn't made one of these two choices by the deadline in March, the CMA will then kill it in April.
 
MS allocates another 30 billion to the gaming division. With 96 billion Phil visits every publisher and buys exclusivity for all majord third party games.

But for real, they probably end the deal, Activision gets 3 billion and we wait until next wednesday for the next publisher to be bought.
So when they (MS) lose this case you think they gonna in an instant try to buy another publisher? Yeah...i dont think so.
 
I loved those games! And yes they were exclusives on Playstation. Those games, outside of Final Fantasy, began on Playstation. And were only possible on it( and maybe PC?). Sony made history when they decided to enter the console market. Thanks for reminding us of some of their success. As for the "shady tactics" I am interested in details. What did they ever did that Microsoft or Nintendo didn't do?
That would be the case for Resident Evil and DmC but they were NOT products from Sony’s first party output, but merely third-party ips.

Also, GTA was mainly a PC game and PES a SNES franchise
 
That would be the case for Resident Evil and DmC but they were NOT products from Sony’s first party output, but merely third-party ips.

Also, GTA was mainly a PC game and PES a SNES franchise
Dmc was not in your first list. And it began on PS2, and it was a no brainer at the time. PS2 was a massive succes after all. From wikipedia Konami did 2 series, one for SNES and one for Playstation. When you think about the hardware differences it was a sensible idea. GTA makers DMA did games on PC before yes, but they did a few games for Nintendo. They can do the same for Sony, right?
 
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