Speaking for myself, it's useless for anything remotely productive at 2 hours.
Even for entertainment, can't even watch Avatar 2 from start to finish lol
WWDC23 Apple Keynote - Code new worlds
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Even for entertainment, can't even watch Avatar 2 from start to finish lol
LordOfChaos
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I expected the short life but was waiting to hear if the battery was hot swappable or something, not sure if the cable is easily removable or if the headset has some reserve power so you have a minute to swap batteries or something
If they didn't say so I guess not
near
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I assume the device attached to the cord is the external battery? If it is, there could be plans to design a high performance, longer lasting one as an accessory. A closer look at the design:
SF Kosmo
Banned
In any other VR headset they would be talking about the cool ass VR adventures we can go on, not telling us about exciting news ways to open PowerPoint documents and check my email.
The tech is cool, but their vision for how we are going to interact with that tech is shockingly boring and mundane.
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Maiden Voyage
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Vision looks cool but I will probably wait a few generations before buying one.
eddie4
Genuinely Generous
I'm sure you can plug it in, or just buy the Vision Pro Ultra Max Battery of 4 hours for $399, and a whopping 6 hour battery for $699.
Pagusas
Elden Member
basically nothing in comparison to this.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Quest pro and Pico 4 and Quest 3 by the time this launches.
Dr. Claus
Banned
Quest are VR Headsets and kind of royally suck when it comes to anything AR. No clue on PIco. First I have ever heard of them.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
The Pro has color pass thru as does the Pico 4 - which basically makes them AR headsets. Quest 2 even can do a bit of AR but black and white with crappy resolution. The Quest 3 should avoid most of the warping that you get with Quest 2 and will also be in color.
Dr. Claus
Banned
"basically makes them AR headsets" - No mate. It doesn't. The PSVR2 can also do passhtrough. That doesn't change the fact it isn't an AR headset. Quest shits all over the Vision Pro in terms of VR capabilities, but likewise the Vison Pro seems to shit all over the competition in regards to AR. The intelligent comparison you should have made was between the Vision Pro and Hololens.
TheMan
Member
Just watched Apple's video. So, they didn't show any actual VR apps? They didn't explore the possibility of combining VR worlds with AR elements? There's other companies doing that and it looks fascinating. Apple goes and basically asks people to spend 3500 to watch movies and look at your photo gallery. Also big lol at the 2 hour battery pack limitation, that's just ridiculous. There has to be a plug in solution especially if you're gonna sitting in one place watching a movie.
Overall it looks it has amazing potential (that Apple did very little to explain) but it's held back by battery tech so much this feels like a first draft in some ways.
Overall it looks it has amazing potential (that Apple did very little to explain) but it's held back by battery tech so much this feels like a first draft in some ways.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
What makes a device a headset an AR headset then? Hololens is completely different tech - the vision pro is a VR headset designed to be used mainly in pass thru.
midnightAI
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Vision Pro isn't primarily a VR headset, it's an AR headset. The pass thru you talk about is the AR part of the equation, without that you can't do AR.
What makes it so is mostly the software though (although the mass of external cameras allows it to happen in better ways). Most of the software shown is productivity and social software all using pass through cameras to 'augment' reality.
One of the main reasons it's not geared towards VR is that VR is mostly gaming, and so far only flat screen gaming inside the device has been shown although full 3D is possible of course, but VR games in general need VR controllers to work and this has none (standard controllers will only work with certain games)
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Cyberpunkd
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This launches in 9 months probably, devs can start working on the apps now + port the existing apps to it. I have no doubt by the time this launches the 'Vision Store' will be multiple times larger than what Oculus now has.
Ok, let's talk about the other products.
Macbook Air 15 is very charmy but the price in EU is a nonsense considering in US is 1299+tax. The good news is when Apple switched to M CPUs, price for their products rapidly drop after some month. In comparison, the difference in price between the MacPro in US and EU is lower.
Macpro... well, it's expensive, not my target. I expected a better CPU though.
Macstudio, I would buy it but not at that price, too expensive.
Macbook Air 15 is very charmy but the price in EU is a nonsense considering in US is 1299+tax. The good news is when Apple switched to M CPUs, price for their products rapidly drop after some month. In comparison, the difference in price between the MacPro in US and EU is lower.
Macpro... well, it's expensive, not my target. I expected a better CPU though.
Macstudio, I would buy it but not at that price, too expensive.
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E-Cat
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That's a good question, maybe the Varjo XR-3? Though that's more commercial, not customer. So not sure if it counts.
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Badlucktroll
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Christina Warren (@film_girl@mastodon.social)
Apple added #DX12 support to macOS and Apple Silicon via its Game Porting Toolkit. It’s basically a 20k patch to Wine that will make it easy to play AAA Windows games on macOS without using a VM. https://github.com/apple/homebrew-apple
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Jinzo Prime
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Christina Warren (@film_girl@mastodon.social)
Apple added #DX12 support to macOS and Apple Silicon via its Game Porting Toolkit. It’s basically a 20k patch to Wine that will make it easy to play AAA Windows games on macOS without using a VM. https://github.com/apple/homebrew-apple
That's big news, but I still wish they would support Vulcan on Apple Silicon natively. It's open source, wouldn't cost them anything other than joining Kronos Group.
Badlucktroll
Member
Maybe Apple will make its own Proton
Badlucktroll
Member
hmmm
Tams
Member
None of that would be very Apple, so no.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Apple? Joining a standard? In the year of our lord 2023? Yeah… good luck.
I feel you man, ever since they became the iDevice company they've been on a decades long binge of Not-Invented-Here.
Badlucktroll
Member
I think Apple could just be a few years away from just allowing windows executables to run on a mac seamlessly (their version of Wine) and just being like 
Trilobit
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kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
Considering the price it's not a bad idea to position this VR/AR headset as suitable for not just the home but also for business. $3500 for a device only suitable for watching 3D movies of your loved ones is a very tough sell.
SF Kosmo
Banned
Oh don't get me wrong, I think it's good that they are giving this a more developed OS and computing experience, and I do believe there is a place for that.
But the main people want to buy a VR device is still for VR, right? They have all this amazing technology that can transport you to other worlds and all they can think to show is "What if your phone was, like, a big hologram?" The lack of vision is stunning.
This isn't some lightweight AR wearable, it's a fucking VR headset. It's big, it gets 2 hours of battery life, it blocks your entire vision, and it's $3000. It's a VR headset.
VR headsets need to do VR. All this mixed reality stuff is a bonus, it might make it easier to keep your headset on, but it isn't why you put it on in the first place. You get VR to feel like you're somewhere else, and to feel like you're present with people who are far away. That is what VR is. You cannot sell this device without zero VR content.