near
Gold Member
I think he has a mild point. Apple is
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WWDC23 Apple Keynote - Code new worlds
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SF Kosmo
Al Jazeera Special Reporter
I'm not talking about competing with other VR products though, I'm saying that this has no obvious purpose in anyone's life, at least not one that justifies that kind of price.
A TV that I can't watch with my family? Facetime where my face is a vaguely creepy CG approximation? A computer in my house? Apple isn't showing me how they're going to make these things better, and they're going out of their way to not show me the truly fantastic things that VR can actually do.
Obviously this is going to do the productivity and multimedia shit better than others have and better than Quest 3 will, but I don't think that productivity and multimedia are the dream of VR for most potential customers, they're very boring ordinary things that are done by 100 devices in our homes already. You might as well be showing me how it's also a clock. Who cares?
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LordOfChaos
Member
Jeeze that's going to be at least 5500 in Canada after tax lol
It's very cool, I'd like to see how close to reality it looks like in store, but obviously ain't getting that
It's very cool, I'd like to see how close to reality it looks like in store, but obviously ain't getting that
Eye tracking and hand gestures? Video calls that actually show you and not a avatar?
I would bet the image quality on these will be in a class of their own as well. No more pixelated screendoor effects and a bigger FOV.
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midnightAI
Member
But if this device flops then VR will fail? Not a chance
FunkMiller
Member
Quest 2 does do hand gestures. And the VisionPro is basically just a higher res, clearer version of the same shit.
Ironbunny
Member
Yea with a C64 quality compared to this.
dem
Member
I know people like to hate on Apple.. but this isn't a mainstream product. They're building their AR/VR development foundation. It started years ago with the AR crap. Eventually... after a few years... you will realize Apple owns the entire space. Everything will just work as it should.
Nothing out there will be comparable. If will fit your life like a glove.
Just my prediction.
Nothing out there will be comparable. If will fit your life like a glove.
Just my prediction.
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Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
The demo is rich in shock and awe tactics, but the lack of an input device like a keyboard or digital pen will kill it in the short term, for general work use.
Maybe in a future work environment where every person has access to ai's and the need to type is replaced by machine-generated content this kind of device will make sense.
For entertainment purposes and media/document consuming, it is a delicious luxury. It has appeal because it's the first vr helmed not to look like it comes from a dystopian hellscape and the features to avoid isolating the user are very thoughtful.
Maybe in a future work environment where every person has access to ai's and the need to type is replaced by machine-generated content this kind of device will make sense.
For entertainment purposes and media/document consuming, it is a delicious luxury. It has appeal because it's the first vr helmed not to look like it comes from a dystopian hellscape and the features to avoid isolating the user are very thoughtful.
near
Gold Member
I don't think it will fail, per se, but having a company like Apple enter the market ensures its growth.
midnightAI
Member
Oh, I agree with that, I also don't think Apple need to sell millions for it to be deemed a success.
LordOfChaos
Member
They didn't really talk about games much for the Vision did they. Largely desktop and film stuff.
SF Kosmo
Al Jazeera Special Reporter
Well... You can't really play Android apps very well on Quest 2. I mean the functionality exists but it's hard to do and not a good experience.
Apple does have a leg up by having this huge app library, I just don't know if this is making that content better...
Pagusas
Elden Member
laughing at the price or in pain trying to budget for it?$3500
Represent.
Banned
its actually a good proce for what it does. And it’s Apple. They excel at selling expensive products. People will buy
SF Kosmo
Al Jazeera Special Reporter
They said it will support Bluetooth keyboards. Pen probably isn't a thing that makes sense but yeah there are situations where the lack of controller is gonna be a big issue.
I know this isn't being sold for gaming primarily but the ability to navigate 3D virtual worlds is a pretty core function and that might be awkward with only gestures.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Less than 20% of the population can touch type fluently. FYI.
CobraAB
Member
SF Kosmo
Al Jazeera Special Reporter
Well you can see the keyboard.
Dr. Claus
Banned
That is absolutely baffling to me. I can't imagine using a computer and not being able to touch type.
Pagusas
Elden Member
to be fair it sounds like a made up stat. Who is going around getting statistics on this?
CobraAB
Member
Probably looking at $400 battery packs.
Dr. Claus
Banned
Yea, not sure myself. I would have imagined at least 50% of people can touch type, taking into account the folks who are too young to type, live in regions that have little to no tech/improverished nations, and elderly who never grew up on the tech.
Pagusas
Elden Member
"in 2023, the number of smartphone users in the world today is 6.92 Billion, which translates to 86.11% of the world’s population owning a smartphone. In total, the number of people that own a smart and feature phone is 7.33 Billion, making up 91.21% of the world’s population. (Source: https://www.bankmycell.com/blog/how-many-phones-are-in-the-world)"
so 86% of the world owns a smartphone, but apparently only 20% of those smart phone owners can actually use them
CobraAB
Member
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Even with that, I still don't like it - it doesn't feels like it belongs there, in that environment.
Dr. Claus
Banned
To be fair, I can't touch type on a phone. I have to actively look at what letters I am pressing. Something about its spacing is just a bit too hard for me to memorize."in 2023, the number of smartphone users in the world today is 6.92 Billion, which translates to 86.11% of the world’s population owning a smartphone. In total, the number of people that own a smart and feature phone is 7.33 Billion, making up 91.21% of the world’s population. (Source: https://www.bankmycell.com/blog/how-many-phones-are-in-the-world)"
so 86% of the world owns a smartphone, but apparently only 20% of those smart phone owners can actually use them
I could use the old 3 letters per number typing without looking though.
Dr. Claus
Banned
You can get rid of it with any bluetooth keyboard.
Elder Legend
Banned
Probably both.
near
Gold Member
I think we're moving in the right direction. Give it a few more years, this is as good as your getting for now:I was really hoping we'd see some minority report or Iron Man like AR hand movement/controls.
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AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
I would not buy that for 1000.
Pagusas
Elden Member
The displays in it alone are worth that, and in any other VR headset people would be cheering and in awe. Not saying this is worth 3.5k, but I do recognise this is some badass high quality stuff thats jammed into this thing.
AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
The tech is amazing. And I think there are a lot of cool things. But I could not justify it for personal entertainment.
Badlucktroll
Member
Sonoma looks like it has some handy new features
dem
Member
Well... you could just hook it to power.
Sleepwalker
Member
$3500 ($5000+ cad) so I can work on my documents and watch tv, by myself. Nah Tim I'm good.
I'm in for a 15 inch macbook air tho
I'm in for a 15 inch macbook air tho
LordOfChaos
Member
MPX modules are def dead. They're using standard power connectors now, but without drivers to support it there's no expandable GPU game https://www.apple.com/mac-pro/specs/
Wonder if Apple intends Apple Silicon based expandable GPUs in the future. Or if they want to keep things under unified memory so you just get the biggest SoC you need.
Wonder if Apple intends Apple Silicon based expandable GPUs in the future. Or if they want to keep things under unified memory so you just get the biggest SoC you need.
FrankCaron
Gold Member
I can't possibly be the only one who saw it:
bender
What time is it?
CobraAB
Member
Lets see
Dual 4k displays
M2 processor
Custom R1 processor
some 12 camersa
a bunch of sensors.
Yeah can’t imagine why so low how hours on the battery unless you want to strap a literal brick to your waist.
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CobraAB
Member
Wow, round icons. Whodathunkit?I can't possibly be the only one who saw it: