Axios (Stephen Totilo) Lawyers: Email proves Microsoft’s ABK bid is designed to elimination (Update: MS claims it was a "thought experiment")

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Bumblebeetuna said:
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Anyway why is this news? Of course the purchase is made to put Sony out of business. Do we all think Sony signed a deal to keep FF16 off of Xbox just for shits and giggles?

The end game for all of these companies is to be #1.
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If you look at the last generation and the one before, Sony really relied on it's first party studios. I believe a lot of these third party deals were to plug gaps in their first party line up from COVID.

Basically like how Sony has been trying to for Xbox? Got it. It's a nothing burger.

What the hell are you on about?
 
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feynoob said:
It will, if they keep COD exclusive(MS will incur alot of losses in the process).

Sony Big IPs are on high budget, so they need as much money as they can.. COD brings alot of money to them. Without that budget, Sony will lose alot of income and will hurt their future output.
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When I say that I get laughing emojis.
 
Dick Jones said:
Matt Booty has made a fair few gaffes. You can't deny it is fairly possible before you look at the risk of the gamers falsifying documents in court. MS would call that out straight away.
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I don't doubt that's the real intention of Microsoft during all this time, after all this is their modus operandis.

Everyone who have buy Microsoft's narrative is fool to say least.
 
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:messenger_loudly_crying: But I thought it was about putting games on GamePass. Phil loves gamers and he wants us to play games wherever we want however we want. He said when we all play we all win. No way Phil and MS lied to us, I refuse to believe it!
 
simpatico said:
Isn't that the reason any business does anything? To get rid of their competition?
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Not necessarily and not primarily. Your main goal is to make profits and for better profits you need to be better than the competition. Of course you're better when there's none. For the consumers we have regulations that want a somewhat fair game though. Of course you could foul all players in a football game and win because no one tries to/can oppose you. But imagine how much fun to watch that is for the audience.

And because some regulations see it the same way you have to act accordingly. But as in sport (sorry for the sports analogy) you always try to bend the rules and regulations for your benefit.

Still, the first thought you have when starting a business (and therefore your primary goal) isn't usually "how to get rid of my competitiors" the same your first thought before a game isn't "how to foul and injure the opponent".

Instead of cynically acknowledging that normalised behaviour with a shrug we should be wary. It's our hobby that could be in danger and MS could improve their product and reputation and profits by making better games, which should be the actual goal, or reason to do something.

If the deal gets through we won't see much of a benefit for us. It's not like MS is buying a shitty product and make it ten times better so we could benefit from that. Short term, nothing changes for us. Long term could be much worse.
 
Armchair CEOs on GAF: "Guys, all companies succeed by destroying their competition!!"

Steam, PlayStation and Nintendo (looking at each other): "Are we all going about this the wrong way?"
 
And in today's news, a company wants marketshare......
Unless people thought marketshare is some exotic fruit this shouldn't surprise anyone. It's just a more "optimistic" target than the official PR version you'd have to be a lobotomized monkey to believe anyway.
 
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Xbox has a lot of good studios under its umbrella but I've never liked Microsoft. One reason I'm happy the Steam Deck is accelerating Proton development and native Linux support for games.


Frankly Microsoft is just one of MANY tech giants that needs to be beaten apart with the anti-trust stick.
 
Would be a glorious bathroom read if Phil takes the stand and goes all Jack Nicholson when testifying. Something something you need MS to control gaming. Might not like it, but deep down you know that MS is the best defense against that evil Sony. And you're G damned right we want to put them out of business. :messenger_tears_of_joy:
 
Getting tempted to put the M$ shills spreading 'the message' on ignore but then remembering I need to read their pathetic drivel in order to know what tactics they are using

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BbMajor7th said:
Armchair CEOs on GAF: "Guys, all companies succeed by destroying their competition!!"

Steam, PlayStation and Nintendo (looking at each other): "Are we all going about this the wrong way?"
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You are aware the reason PlayStation exists is because the executives of Sony wanted to absolutely destroy Nintendo after they screwed them over, right?
 
These green fanboys in this thread are really pathetic. It's now clear they don't really enjoy playing games but just want Sony to crash and burn and will stand by evil corp no matter what, heh
 
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ZehDon said:
You are aware the reason PlayStation exists is because the executives of Sony wanted to absolutely destroy Nintendo after they screwed them over, right?
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And would you say Sony is still trying to do that ?
Because apparently Xbox was created with that goal in mind too and yet hasn't evolved since.
 
feynoob said:
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Bethesda buyout still hurts me
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Admitedly, it was the main reason why I bought a XSX to keep company to my PS5. That and inExile, Obsidian, Ninja Theory, and Undead Labs. Too much WRPG critical mass to ignore (although the latter two are not RPG studios).
 
Raonak said:
This has always been how microsoft operates since the beginning.

They prefer to focus on eliminating the competetion rather than making a better product.
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Yep, and this is the primary reason I've been opposed to this merger from the start. Not because I hate Microsoft or love Sony (I don't, on either account). But I very much remember the arrogant Microsoft of the late 80's through late 90's where they were "growing" Windows and Office by basically buying out development teams with projects they wanted to embed into Windows (or Office), integrating their code, and then shitcanning the staff. I remember arrogant Microsoft dictating terms to PC OEMs that prevented them from even discussing other Operating Systems (like Linux or Unix) to customers under threat of losing complete access to all Microsoft licenses -- Windows, Office, and Works -- which were critical for PC sales. I worked at Gateway back then; we weren't even allowed to talk about our Novell Netware server stack outside of the IT department due to Microsoft licensing issues. I remember the scorched earth campaigns Microsoft took against Lotus and Corel.

Microsoft has never been about building a better mousetrap. They've always been about buying up what they want and shutting out competitors with their market leverage. It bit them on the ass with MSIE and their PC OEM restrictions, but that was 20 years ago. Too many people have forgotten, and Microsoft is back to their old ways. This time in the gaming space.
 
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semiconscious said:
i can't be the only one who'd like to actually read the goddamn redacted message before thinking anything about this...
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You do realize that if that redacted document isn't legit... and they based a suit on it, that would count s slander/libe... which is a compensatory offense. Think about that.

Anyways... hat to say it, but.... this is why I don't trust MS.
 
Crayon said:
Yes if sony was the trillion dollar company that was trying to stamp out competition and ms was the one who was outmaneuvering them by competing on merit and still making a profit like a proper business, the roles would be reversed indeed. You'd have to be a real heel to be rooting for sony in that situation.
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Kind of like how Sony actively paid to keep ff7 remake off of Xbox? 🤔
I'm sure there are PLENTY of other games that for some magical reason never made it to xbox.
But never mind that. The end goal is what matters most.
 
Filben said:
Not necessarily and not primarily. Your main goal is to make profits and for better profits you need to be better than the competition. Of course you're better when there's none. For the consumers we have regulations that want a somewhat fair game though. Of course you could foul all players in a football game and win because no one tries to/can oppose you. But imagine how much fun to watch that is for the audience.

And because some regulations see it the same way you have to act accordingly. But as in sport (sorry for the sports analogy) you always try to bend the rules and regulations for your benefit.

Still, the first thought you have when starting a business (and therefore your primary goal) isn't usually "how to get rid of my competitiors" the same your first thought before a game isn't "how to foul and injure the opponent".

Instead of cynically acknowledging that normalised behaviour with a shrug we should be wary. It's our hobby that could be in danger and MS could improve their product and reputation and profits by making better games, which should be the actual goal, or reason to do something.

If the deal gets through we won't see much of a benefit for us. It's not like MS is buying a shitty product and make it ten times better so we could benefit from that. Short term, nothing changes for us. Long term could be much worse.
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I agree with the sentiment you're expressing, but in reality it's hard to quantify what going too far is in the Staes. Where do you draw the line between healthy, supple competition and something worthy of investigation? The lines have become so blurred that a company has to exhaust all options to remain competitive. MS shareholders don't want to see the investment in Xbox squandered. Buying up publishers is the best route to make that happen since all their recent internal efforts amount to impotent flailing.
 
azertydu91 said:
Alright, quick question for the team Sonytoo™ can any of you provide an example or a sentence that is similar ?
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Kaz Hizuroo at the PS3 launch event in 2004:

'Get a second job, and we want to destroy Bill Gates'.

I think Sony redacted all of the videos of the event so you can't find it online anymore.
 
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