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Can you take this discussion to another thread please.
For those of us waiting for news on this deal, it is annoying to continually come back to see this back and forth that doesn't really pertain to this deal.
 
Do you guys who post here actually play videogames? :messenger_squinting_tongue:
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This is fucking dumb.

Why is The Coalition up there?

Rare is dead because they're doing the game they want to do?

As for Redfall:
Things allegedly became so bad at Arkane that, despite having put two years into Redfall at the time of the Xbox acquisition, staff wished it would be rebooted as a single player game or cancelled altogether.

The switch to a multiplayer focus, which was reportedly pushed for by parent company ZeniMax, appeared to be a major cause of Redfall's issues. Developers who worked on the single player Prey (which is a format Arkane is known for thanks to hits like Dishonored) were now working on a multiplayer game, and Bloomberg reported that 70% of these staff members left by the end of Redfall's development.
 
This is fucking dumb.

Why is The Coalition up there?

Rare is dead because they're doing the game they want to do?

As for Redfall:

Yeah, this meme is pure BS and anyone reposting it is a moron.

Redfall is indeed trash, but it was deep in development before MS acquired Arkane and MS probably always knew the game would be a dud but they also knew cancelling the game immediately after the acquisition would have caused a much bigger uproar and tons of fake doom & gloom news articles than it did by just letting Arkane finish developing it.

Coalition has only delivered GOTY's so far and Gears is better than ever.

Rare was in complete shambles and close to shutting down before MS acquired them, and now they are more successful than ever before and SoT is their biggest and arguably the best game they have ever made.

343i has definitely done some mistakes, but overall their games are still GOTY and their gameplay, graphics, performance, cinematics and overall production quality is still far better than any Halo ever produced by Bungie. Reality is that no matter how good Halo games 343i produces people will always have a negative attitude towards them just because there's now a different developer's name attached to the Halo franchise.
 
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343i has definitely done some mistakes, but overall their games are still GOTY and their gameplay, graphics, performance, cinematics and overall production quality is still far better than any Halo ever produced by Bungie. Reality is that no matter how good Halo games 343i produces people will always have a negative attitude towards them just because there's now a different developer's name attached to the Halo franchise.

I was with you until that part.

Their games aren't complete dumpster fires, but they are as far away from being GOTY as humanity is from having room temperature super conductors. And funnily their games got worse over time instead of better.
 
And funnily their games got worse over time instead of better.

I dunno about all that. I never played 4's multiplayer so no comment there. I absolutely loved 5 and I think the Halo community played itself with their way over-the-top negative reaction to it. I love Infinite too (not as much as 5, but it's still great), and its live service has never been better.

Saw this on the Tweeter earlier today and I largely agree with it:



Only thing I would really disagree with is the comment about the sandbox. Halo 5's sandbox was much, much better, IMO.

All that being said I'm glad 343i has had a huge restructuring and has new blood in the leadership positions.
 
I absolutely LOVE Halo Infinite, the issue for me was their lack of momentum after launch.

If they had followed up properly things would have been great but they just didn't have a solid timeline worked out.

The campaign was incredible though, I absolutely loved that it felt like a modern CE with a more open setting. Again, of they had followed that up with expansions (like they were supposed too) it would have given the overall experience more momentum.
 
I dunno about all that. I never played 4's multiplayer so no comment there. I absolutely loved 5 and I think the Halo community played itself with their way over-the-top negative reaction to it. I love Infinite too (not as much as 5, but it's still great), and its live service has never been better.

Saw this on the Tweeter earlier today and I largely agree with it:



Only thing I would really disagree with is the comment about the sandbox. Halo 5's sandbox was much, much better, IMO.

All that being said I'm glad 343i has had a huge restructuring and has new blood in the leadership positions.

They have had a steady release of new maps/modes the last couple of months too. The new leadership is really starting to hit its stride finally.
The new equipment is also really great for big brain plays too. There are so many mp modes now as well and if you don't find an official one you like, Forge is killing it with creative ones.

That said, they rightly earned that criticism early in the games release.
 
If we ever needed proof that brainwashing is real...

I don't play Halo and don't really care for it, but I just looked up it's MC (I honestly didn't know it) and couldn't believe with all the shit that 343 takes that it actually has a great score with the user score not far from it. I mean, it's in the same realm as Spider-Man MM, Horizon FW, and R&C. Obviously there's things that 343 can do better and their design choices might be hard to swallow for die-hard Bungie Halo fans, but a near 90 MC for a live service game that scored higher than Destiny is not what I was expected for the hate that 343 gets. Obviously MC isn't everything, but we all use it, and I think 94 positive reviews and 4 mixed isn't even a bad place to be for a release of a game.
 
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I don't play Halo and don't really care for it, but I just looked up it's MC (I honestly didn't know it) and couldn't believe with all the shit that 343 takes that it actually has a great score with the user score not far from it. I mean, it's in the same realm as Spider-Man MM, Horizon FW, and R&C. Obviously there's things that 343 can do better and their design choices might be hard to swallow for die-hard Bungie Halo fans, but a near 90 MC for a live service game that scored higher than Destiny is not what I was expected for the hate that 343 gets.
I won't go too off topic in this thread, but other than a few issues, Halo Infinite plays great.
It's up there with Halo 5 when it comes to gameplay. Early on, lack of and the slow pace of content was a big issue for a lot of players. But since the release of Forge, I've seen a steady pace of maps, modes, equipment, etc.

I'd recommend for people that haven't played it in at least 3 months or so, give it a shot to see if it's better for them.
 
I don't play Halo and don't really care for it, but I just looked up it's MC (I honestly didn't know it) and couldn't believe with all the shit that 343 takes that it actually has a great score with the user score not far from it. I mean, it's in the same realm as Spider-Man MM, Horizon FW, and R&C. Obviously there's things that 343 can do better and their design choices might be hard to swallow for die-hard Bungie Halo fans, but a near 90 MC for a live service game that scored higher than Destiny is not what I was expected for the hate that 343 gets. Obviously MC isn't everything, but we all use it, and I think 94 positive reviews and 4 mixed isn't even a bad place to be for a release of a game.

From what I understand it was initially well received. Then when the updates and features that were supposed to be added never came that's when people started complaining. Like couch coop was completely cut from the game.
 


Not a lot of context here, just seems to be basically stating that the route MSFT is using hasn't been invoked much at the current CMA.

Also, the FTC filed their Opening Brief to the 9th Circuit Appeals Court last night:

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The Microsoft-Activision and Meta-Within merger cases are the only ones so far to reach federal judges under Khan, who has been pushed onto the defensive, along with her U.S. Department of Justice Antitrust Division counterpart, to justify Biden-era efforts to transform competition enforcement in the wake of court pushback. The FTC has also suffered losses in its in-house merger cases.

"Clearly, in their home court, they've got a better case," said R. Mark McCareins, a professor at Northwestern University's Kellogg School of Management. But the agency has still lost in that arena, he noted.

Leaders at both agencies have preferred to focus on the deals they've gotten parties to abandon and the general atmosphere of hesitation in some boardrooms they have helped to foster.

"Even so, how courts treat the agencies in things like merger challenges are really important," said Carrier.

That silver lining, observers say, may be fading as the agencies struggle in litigated cases to push back on corporate consolidation generally and especially the merger strategies of the country's leading online platforms and other technology giants, several of which are separately battling major antitrust conduct cases from state and federal enforcers.

"You can't change doctrine unless you win cases in court," said Kovacic, who noted that for all the FTC's other efforts, the only way to make permanent changes is through court precedent and legislation. "Ultimately, everything else you do is reversible."

Continuing with the Ninth Circuit appeal has much more recent — and potentially more favorable — precedent from the FTC's challenge of Whole Foods Market Inc.'s planned purchase of Wild Oats Markets Inc. There, a district court denied the FTC a preliminary injunction in 2007, but the D.C. Circuit reversed the following year, and Whole Foods ultimately sold the Wild Oats brand and 32 stores.

In Microsoft-Activision, Judge Corley gave the FTC little wiggle room for its appeal, several observers said. The judge's ruling came down heavily on the facts, and appellate courts generally defer to the lower court's factual findings.

"I think that district court decision is fairly bulletproof," said McCareins.

If the FTC does opt to appeal, a key target may be the judge's apparent requirement that a deal will substantially harm competition, rather than the lower standard that the FTC cites in the statute: that a deal simply "may" harm competition.

"The standard may be the thing they're most worried about," said Rissmiller.
 
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Not a lot of context here, just seems to be basically stating that the route MSFT is using hasn't been invoked much at the current CMA.

Also, the FTC filed their Opening Brief to the 9th Circuit Appeals Court last night:

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FTC info looks new, but the tweet means nothing AFAIK because there is nothing different on the CMA/UK government website, or anything for August 10th 2023 for this merger, which there would be before anyone tweeting


IIRC the "material differences and special reasons" is described as phase 3 in this merger, and as the tweet says, this isn't normal, even the UK newspaper the Guardian's most recent article has a barrister suggest these mechanism that have been triggered probably weren't meant for this when the legislation was written.

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you have to wonder if the FTC knows the outcome of the UK inquiry group and are positioning themselves for the photo op.
 
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Not a lot of context here, just seems to be basically stating that the route MSFT is using hasn't been invoked much at the current CMA.

Also, the FTC filed their Opening Brief to the 9th Circuit Appeals Court last night:

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Thanks for the interesting post. Assuming the tweet holds water (which PaintTin is challenging). I read unprecedented Phase 3, simply as the CMA acting outside of their normal procedures. All the Gov.uk documentation only ever mentions phases 1 & 2 and extendable time lines to those phases if required.

Never sure what to make of the FTC stuff anymore. As interesting as it may be.
 
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Thanks for the interesting post. Assuming the tweet holds water (which PaintTin is challenging). I read unprecedented Phase 3, simply as the CMA acting outside of their normal procedures. All the Gov.uk documentation only ever mentions phases 1 & 2 and extendable time lines to those phases if required.

Never sure what to make of the FTC stuff anymore. As interesting as it may be.

FTC filing, to my knowledge, is pretty much a nothingburger. Last time I heard the earliest the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals could get to this case is sometime next year, by which time the merger will have already concluded one way or the other. In that case any appeal about a Preliminary Injunction decision would be completely moot, as you cant preliminarily enjoin something that's already happened.

As the quote below the image suggests they may still be keeping it open just to argue the standard by which the original decision was made.
 
I don't play Halo and don't really care for it, but I just looked up it's MC (I honestly didn't know it) and couldn't believe with all the shit that 343 takes that it actually has a great score with the user score not far from it. I mean, it's in the same realm as Spider-Man MM, Horizon FW, and R&C. Obviously there's things that 343 can do better and their design choices might be hard to swallow for die-hard Bungie Halo fans, but a near 90 MC for a live service game that scored higher than Destiny is not what I was expected for the hate that 343 gets. Obviously MC isn't everything, but we all use it, and I think 94 positive reviews and 4 mixed isn't even a bad place to be for a release of a game.

The game won multiple GOTY awards and remains one of the best rated games of 2021.

Much of the discourse around the title has been shaped by their stumbles with multiplayer content and good old platform warring.
 
The game won multiple GOTY awards and remains one of the best rated games of 2021.

Much of the discourse around the title has been shaped by their stumbles with multiplayer content and good old platform warring.

Feels like it got way overhyped and overrated by an audience eager to crown their base with a victory

It's not a GOTY caliber title. It's a good game mechanically (though, not significantly changed or improved from previous versions), with a very half baked story, world, and mission design.

For it's length of development, it should have been a true GOTY caliber title rather than a fun but largely forgettable shadow of the series former self
 
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Feels like it got way overhyped and overrated by an audience eager to crown their base with a victory

It sits at 87% Metacritic with 98 reviews from an extremely diverse base of professional reviewers. I have no idea how you think this conspiracy theory of all reviewers being xbox fans makes sense.


It's not a GOTY caliber title. It's a good game mechanically (though, not significantly changed or improved from previous versions), with a very half baked story, world, and mission design.

For it's length of development, it should have been a true GOTY caliber title rather than a fun but largely forgettable shadow of the series former self

Again, this is your subjective opinion, not 'fact'. And it's perfectly fine for others to think otherwise.
 
It sits at 87% Metacritic with 98 reviews from an extremely diverse base of professional reviewers. I have no idea how you think this conspiracy theory of all reviewers being xbox fans makes sense.
Remove the 100s and ratings from reviewers with names like SomosXbox, Generación Xbox etc and you get a somehow realistic score. Same goes for games like Ragnarok, TLOU, Zelda and other big games.
Infinite was a fun game. MP 9/10, but the SP was so underwhelming, overall i think it's more around 80/100.
 
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Remove the 100s and ratings from reviewers with names like SomosXbox, Generación Xbox etc and you get a somehow realistic score. Same goes for games like Ragnarok, TLOU, Zelda and other big games.
Infinite was a fun game. MP 9/10, but the SP was so underwhelming, overall i think it's more around 80/100.

Filter those out and at worst it drops 2 points. At worst.

9/10 from IGN and Gamespot. 8/10 from notoriously stingy Edge.

The clear inference is that it's certainly much better than you'd think when you read forum rhetoric.
 
Filter those out and at worst it drops 2 points. At worst.

9/10 from IGN and Gamespot. 8/10 from notoriously stingy Edge.

The clear inference is that it's certainly much better than you'd think when you read forum rhetoric.
Did the math and you are right. I expected it to drop much more, but probably not enough 100s for that. I see this game around 80. I had lots of fun with the Halo MP, but the SP was a complete joke.
 
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Remove the 100s and ratings from reviewers with names like SomosXbox, Generación Xbox etc and you get a somehow realistic score. Same goes for games like Ragnarok, TLOU, Zelda and other big games.

There are not enough outlets associated with specific brands to really make much of a difference in the overall score. Especially not when you've got over a hundred outlets total reviewing each of those games.
 
There are not enough outlets associated with specific brands to really make much of a difference in the overall score. Especially not when you've got over a hundred outlets total reviewing each of those games.
I said 'and' the 100s, not only biased 100s. All of them, because a perfect score isn't right. Some games have like >50 100s and removing them should make a difference. But not bored enough to do the math again for one of them :messenger_grinning_smiling:
 
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Remove the 100s and ratings from reviewers with names like SomosXbox, Generación Xbox etc and you get a somehow realistic score. Same goes for games like Ragnarok, TLOU, Zelda and other big games.
Infinite was a fun game. MP 9/10, but the SP was so underwhelming, overall i think it's more around 80/100.
It's just generally overrated and that is difficult to filter out. Even at launch people said the game was incomplete and the campaign was mediocre and still gave it 8-9's
 
Did the math and you are right. I expected it to drop much more, but probably not enough 100s for that. I see this game around 80. I had lots of fun with the Halo MP, but the SP was a complete joke.
The single player was excellent. Not sure what you played. The discourse with the game came from the lack of multiplayer content and no forge at launch.
 
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When did the bar drop so low that Halo Infinites lacklustre campaign is now deemed excellent. I had some fun with it. But it felt bare bones. Which is why many expected more single player campaign content to follow, which of course never happened.
 
The single player was excellent. Not sure what you played. The discourse with the game came from the lack of multiplayer content and no forge at launch.
I played a ~9h empty open world game that made me spend like 70% of the time in dark and generic indoor locations. 70/100 for the SP and that's it.
 
To be fair to Halo Infinite since the switch at the top of 343i, Infinites new patch and systems have made it a really really good MP game, maps released regularly and events happening all the time, I know a lot of people who quit have returned.
 
I guess the reviews are wrong then?
There is no right or wrong. Reviews are just other people's opinions and taste. Sometimes it matches yours, sometimes not. To me Halo Infinite SP is a 70/100 and MP is a 90/100 which makes the game a 80/100. But i often think that big AAAs are rated way to high while others think it's accurate. And both is fine.
 
It sits at 87% Metacritic with 98 reviews from an extremely diverse base of professional reviewers. I have no idea how you think this conspiracy theory of all reviewers being xbox fans makes sense.

It's not a conspiracy that in 2021 Xbox had not had a good year in a very, very, very, long time. 2021 was a good year for them, including Infinite. We know how much MS butters the press with paid shills, especially after this whole merger Acquisition deal brought them all to light. They were eager to pounce and claim Xbox had turned it around, publisher of the year, game of the year, yada yada. It was just a good year, don't make it more than it was. Phil Spencer even admitted Xbox lived or died with Halo....so that's how important it was to them, the audience, the press. It was an existential moment for them. When Halo failed to deliver that, them acquiring Activision was the existential moment - if Microsoft doesn't get Activision, Xbox dies (see: Jez Corden and crew)

Calling Halo Infinite GOTY is to me like claiming Call of Duty is game of the year. They're kind of in that same situation of being fun playable games, obviously Call of Duty has much more massive appeal, but largely not soemthing that hits the GOTY lists because it just simply isn't. Halo COULD be a GOTY type game in the future with better direction, but Infinite isn't it.
 
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So no news today I gather

Presumably the CMA may release something, even if it's just an update to the case page. They said they aim to reach a preliminary decision on the MCC by this week (with today being the last business day of this week). It's currently after 5 PM UK time though so maybe they just get to it next week, though.

We know how much MS butters the press with paid shills.

Still have not seen any proof of this after a decade+ of these accusations.
 
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