Inconvenient truth: Xbox is saving gaming right now Do you agree?

Quezacolt said:
That guy is delusional
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The state sponsored media articles, the crazed fanboy rhetoric, the Gamespass ball washers. Is it me, or is there somekind of grassroots Microsoft church revival upcoming? Weird times.
 
Why are people saying it's his bathroom? Maybe I'm wrong but it seems to be the laundry room? Do you guys shit and piss in your laundry room? Weird 😆

Anyway, two things off the bat. I'm going to ignore the "Sony fans celebrate sales charts" nonsense because it's not really relevant to his main point. Had he connected it somehow to the rest of his speech, ok, but he doesn't. He also ignores the fact that if Xbox had better sales and was beating Sony, then Xbox fans would be the ones celebrating sales. I don't know who this guy is, I assume he's an Xbox personality? If Xbox was beating PS5 in sales, I bet he'd have videos on it.

Secondly, he never really explains how Xbox is "saving the industry". He likes GamePass, who doesn't, but how is Xbox saving gaming? Nintendo and PC still exist. If Sony and MS both left the business tomorrow, gaming would be fine.

That said, he does make good points. Compared to PS3 and to a lesser extent PS4, Sonys output this gen has been very very weak imho. We are coming up on four years in this gen and I think I've bought five PS5 games, two are upgraded PS4 titles (LoU and LoU II), one is a cross gen title (HFW), one was Returnal, and one was Rise of the Ronin, not a Sony game. He is also right that the lack of games have had Sony fans getting hyped for weird things, like Xbox titles. Can't have an Xbox thread here without Sony guys chiming in about "can't wait to play this on ps5!". It's very strange.

He's also right about Xbox fans not giving a shit about exclusives. Another thing you see here on GAF all the time is how Xbox users are angry or nervous about games going to other consoles. Reality is Xbox hasn't had exclusives for like two generations. We don't give a shit.

It's also weird that he ignored Helldivers 2. He said no game has gotten the discord Starfield has, I'd argue maybe Helldivers 2 did. He actually had a slip of the tongue when talking about Hellblade 2 and called it Helldivers.
 
We keep hearing from the Xbox guys, how weak Sony's games output this gen is. If that's were true, why isn't Xbox able to capitalize on said weakness.

I know, I know, only the first party games count now blah, blah, blah. Those partnership investments into Korea and China, are paying dividends now.

Bottomline, Sony is releasing way more games than Xbox, wheather that's 1st, 2nd, or 3rd party.
 
Klayzer said:
We keep hearing from the Xbox guys, how weak Sony's games output this gen is. If that's were true, why isn't Xbox able to capitalize on said weakness.

I know, I know, only the first party games count now blah, blah, blah. Those partnership investments into Korea and China, are paying dividends now.

Bottomline, Sony is releasing way more games than Xbox, wheather that's 1st, 2nd, or 3rd party.
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Because they are delusional and full of shit. Sony has absolutely earned their dominance this gen. It's like a world series winner playing a high school team. It's not even close. You don't eve have to look far. Halo Infinite was supposed to be their launch game and be *THE* reason to own an Xbox. It's a complete failure. It got its lunch eaten by Helldivers 2 as the next big live service hit that Halo used to always be. It's completely irrelevant now.

The Xbox output has been totally lackluster. Real Xbox fans would hold Microsoft accountable for all the garbage that's gone on this gen and hope they improve and get back to the Xbox 360 days. But nope. Team Green just offers up excuse after excuse bowing down to Phil Spencer for all the great things he's done while throwing salty shade at the competition

Sales don't lie.
 
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Punished Miku said:
About half way through the video I do agree with one of his more hot take points - there is absolutely zero doubt in my mind that he is right about this phenomenon we're seeing regarding PS fans "garnering victory off of the corporates victory." I mean, this is getting into hardcore console war territory but I genuinely do agree with him here.

I think a lot of PS fans are actually deeply unhappy and unsatisfied, and they fill that void with threads hyping up sales numbers and profits instead of gamer / consumer-centric things they genuinely love. Just something I've thought for years now privately, but never really wanted to bring up. It's a big generalization so yeah, but I've noticed this big shift and I think it's due to the PS management culture change. The "fun" of being part of the PS community was entirely removed with shows, communication, the types of games they put out. It's all very serious now, and filled with a money first type of conversation.

Don't get me wrong, money and sales matter. I just see it showcased now to a really lopsided degree compared to previous generations.
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I just think you are acutely aware of the sales story because Xbox is doing so shitty.

The exclusive games on PS5 are fine. I've had more to play in the last 12 months than I did through much of the PS3 generation. It's just that some people would rather stay hyped about what's being announced rather than playing games that are available. I also think people fail to realize that the single player games that Sony is working on take a ton of time to develop which is why they have rounded out their releases with 3rd party partnerships. It took 5+ years for Hellblade 2 to be developed and that is as anemic a game as you can get.
 
James Sawyer Ford said:
Because they are delusional and full of shit. Sony has absolutely earned their dominance this gen. It's like a world series winner playing a high school team. It's not even close.

The Xbox output has been totally lackluster. Real Xbox fans would hold Microsoft accountable for all the garbage that's gone on this gen and hope they improve and get back to the Xbox 360 days. But nope. Team Green just offers up excuse after excuse bowing down to Phil Spencer for all the great things he's done while throwing salty shade at the competition

Sales don't lie.
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Yeah. It's pretty sad. They would rather troll with Phil's empty promises, than hold the Xbox executives accountable. Makes sense, why they would pivot to more talk about Sony, rather than face what Xbox has become.
 
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Why in the world is the dude filming in the laundry room, and even that with an open dryer door. That's just a weird location to do that.

As far as Xbox saving anyone, man, that's some good shit he is inhaling/eating/smoking/etc…

Over last 6-7 years the only interesting games from Team Green have been Flight Simulator and Forza Horizon games. Everything else was either bad or pointless.

Sea of Thieves I guess an exception, but I don't do MP much. A lot of studios bought, a lot of talk, a lot of chest beating that "any minute now" and games will come. The only thing MS is doing is actively devaluing games through GamePass and making the industry worse through consolidation.

And hell, I own a PC and all consoles so don't really have any sort of stake in this "war".
 
fallingdove said:
I just think you are acutely aware of the sales story because Xbox is doing so shitty.

The exclusive games on PS5 are fine. I've had more to play in the last 12 months than I did through much of the PS3 generation. It's just that some people would rather stay hyped about what's being announced rather than playing games that are available. I also think people fail to realize that the single player games that Sony is working on take a ton of time to develop which is why they have rounded out their releases with 3rd party partnerships. It took 5+ years for Hellblade 2 to be developed and that is as anemic a game as you can get.
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HB2 began development in 2020. 2020 was not "5+" years. No need to pad out things that can easily be read online. (y)
 
From Amazon, Apple and others who don't even care about the idea of consolidation I'd say yes.

For making the next big thing from all these studios that they owned or even at the scale of the whole industry I'd say no.

But still, great devs have the privilege to choose who they'll work with, they still have the upper hand to shape the industry without these publishers who have infinite amount of resources cause they are useless without them.
 
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This guy just called me an idiot and told me to sit down....

Wtf am I watching. Why am I watching it.

Little does he know. I am sat down taking a shit.
 
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havoc00 said:
Why not
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I don't think buying up studios then closing them down is going to help. Neither are massive budget games. It creates longer dev cycles, can't be as creative need to recoup that budget.

Though for allowing cross platform releases that's good thing.
Plus helping indie devs out is also good so

Weighing Seth Meyers GIF by Late Night with Seth Meyers


My view is best MS was 360 era MS.
Yeah disregard the RRoD. The 360 is legit one of my fave consoles of all time.
 
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There's definitely some truth in it. Arrogant Sony's out of touch Playstation is kept in check by a perpetually desperate to be relevant Xbox driven by an out of touch MS with an bottomless warchest - sort-of..
 
nemiroff said:
There's definitely some truth in it. Arrogant Sony's out of touch Playstation is kept in check by a perpetually desperate to be relevant Xbox driven by an out of touch MS with an bottomless warchest - sort-of..
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Meanwhile Nintendo

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Klayzer said:
We keep hearing from the Xbox guys, how weak Sony's games output this gen is. If that's were true, why isn't Xbox able to capitalize on said weakness.

I know, I know, only the first party games count now blah, blah, blah. Those partnership investments into Korea and China, are paying dividends now.

Bottomline, Sony is releasing way more games than Xbox, wheather that's 1st, 2nd, or 3rd party.
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Apparently :

- Stellar blade and Rise of the Ronin = NOT Sony games.

- Starfield + HB2 = REAL MS games

Amirite ?
 
The first trailer appeared in December of 2019 (and of course you know that) — but you must be under the assumption that the video was a wish granted by the game genie on the morning of the VGAs or was sent from the future after Xbox decided to REALLY work on the game.

Either way, I'm glad you were able hand wave an inconsequential aspect of a point about lengthy development cycles.
 
I'm not going to act like Xbox is saving gaming (lmao) but there's some truth to what he's saying. A lot of these PS fans aren't actually happy with Sony currently. It pisses them off to no end that their games are releasing on PC at all, not to mention that Sony "isn't focusing on the console like they should be". The last few showcases/SoPs haven't been great, and they know it. So they're basically celebrating whatever small little wins they can find in their eyes. Stuff like the PSN on PC debacle, day and date PC, and the VR headset not having features, like he said.

They're laughing now, but they wont be as all these little "victories" end up going away. Sony isn't going to stop trying to expand.. The cat is out of the bag and it's not going back in.
 
The guy is talking absolute crazy talk, but there is some truth to his points about Sony. Concord looks like a game made by committee, or even AI. They are chasing trends and not setting them. The majority of their games in the last few years have been assassin creed open world type games. Generic open world games but admittedly very well made. GoT was great I thought, but the rest like Spiderman 2 (good but completely forgettable and pop corn gaming) and H FW (awful - how do you make robot dinosaurs boring!?). GOW Ragnarok was an insult with Atreus but still a good playthrough, just a disservice to the franchise imo.

His point about Game Pass is embarrassing, yes it is a good service but he says to play old games....Well Sony has an answer to that in Playstation plus extra and I am sure millions of PS users are happy with that service.

Basically, he says he isn't going to kick Sony while they are down and then continues to attempt to kick Sony when they are "Down". Yes the state of Play was shit apart from Astro Bot. Everyone knows it, Concord is going to flop and Sony should talk more about the games that they lead the industry with. This guy needs to change his entire approach though.
 
Oppoi said:
If it weren't for Microsoft you'd have to pay twice as much for Playstation consoles and games. The worst part is the Sony execs would laugh about it.
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Are you aware of what supply and demand is?
Consoles are not PC, they are a price-sensitive market. Always were and always will be price sensitive. Because little Jimmy's mother doesn't want to pay $700 for an appliance that only plays video games.
If Sony (or anyone for that matter) price a console too high, their viable market will undoubtedly shrink considerably. Yes maybe they'd make a profit per unit sold, but they'd sell fewer of them and make less money from the platform as a whole.
 
Klayzer said:
Yeah. It's pretty sad. They would rather troll with Phil's empty promises, than hold the Xbox executives accountable. Makes sense, why they would pivot to more talk about Sony, rather than face what Xbox has become.
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The fact that even the Xbox fans are more worried about what Playstation will be announcing and when is kind of a sign how dead Xbox really is.

Nobody is talking about Everwild, Indiana Jones and whatever else is coming, at all. Apart from the rare mention every now and then.
 
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