DF Clips Is The High-End PC Experience Really *That* Much Better Than Consoles?

RafterXL said:
What about it?

None of that matters because the person I responded to was claiming the difference are minimal, and we all know that's bullshit. If he had said, "a console is more simple to use" or "a console is much cheaper" (which i mentioned earlier in this thread btw), you would have a point, but he didn't. Console have plenty of pros over a PC, performance and IQ aren't it.


And yet the average customer doesn't own a Pro or high end PC. Plebs who don't give a shit about graphics aren't important when talking about high end hardware. 3/4 of Xbox owners have an S, do you really think anyone cares what they think about graphics or fps?

The differences to people who know, and care, are huge. Don't play stupid. Go load up Cyberpunk, or Indy, Hogwarts, KCD2, or a thousand other games and tell me the difference isn't noticeable. I have a Pro, I know exactly what that machine can do. I've put 200 hours in RotR, and this so-called shitty PC port that everyone is complaining about blows the PS5 version out of the water, even with the Pro patch. A game with actual PC options and it's not even close.

I love consoles. Every tv in my house has at least one hooked up to it. Hell, if I could play games on a console the the same settings as my PC I'd never turn the PC on again. I like convenience, I like not fucking with settings. But the fact is, you aren't getting remotely close to the same experience visually/performance wise on a console...even a $700 one, which is why I also own a PC.


100% this. Fuckers in here been picking apart miniscule differences between XSX and PS5 for years, but are too blind to see massive differences between a high end PC and a PS5? GTFO. People are disingenuous as shit around here. If there is a minimal difference and no one cared, none of them would own a Pro.



I have 90 hours in Hogwarts on PS5. The two Pro modes that everyone wet themselves over are nearly unusable. In fact, the game looked as good and ran better before the Pro patch. Either way, even using the broken ass RT mode that runs like dogshit, it doesn't look close to the PC version maxed out. But, you know, people gotta defend their toys and pretend like they look similar.
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Calm down, dude. Jesus.
 
I really think it depends on the experience you're looking for. My current PC isn't the highest end, but it's capable of running the games I Ike to play at higher settings and frame rates than any of my consoles, PS5 Pro included. But for a lot of games I still prefer to play on console because it's a much more comfortable experience for me. I'm not about to take my PC off of my desk into the room where my main console setup lives just to play games. I'm just going to play on console because I want to be comfortable and reclined relaxing on my couch with minimal effort to get into the game.

That said, what's important to me isn't important to everyone. If the thing that's important to you is tweaking settings to get the best performance possible, or using mods to enhance game, then PC is going to be the experience you want. And it's ok. No need to argue over something subjective.
 
Quantum253 said:
Outside of performance, it's wild the 4000 and now 5000 series card actually catch fire ( or melt the connection pins) I dig watching Alex from NorthRidge Fix fixing those things
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You should check out @northwestrepair on YouTube.

Seriously talented at GPU repairs he really puts others to shame.

He sometimes uses ai voice and funny fake beard to rip the piss out of Northridge which is funny in my book
 
RafterXL said:
And yet the average customer doesn't own a Pro or high end PC. Plebs who don't give a shit about graphics aren't important when talking about high end hardware. 3/4 of Xbox owners have an S, do you really think anyone cares what they think about graphics or fps?
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This proves the point even more though.
RafterXL said:
The differences to people who know, and care, are huge. Don't play stupid. Go load up Cyberpunk, or Indy, Hogwarts, KCD2, or a thousand other games and tell me the difference isn't noticeable. I have a Pro, I know exactly what that machine can do. I've put 200 hours in RotR, and this so-called shitty PC port that everyone is complaining about blows the PS5 version out of the water, even with the Pro patch. A game with actual PC options and it's not even close.
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What makes you think console gamers don't care about all that?

The argument is that the differences aren't big enough to spend all the extra money.
It's highly subjective, even though on a technical level differences could be big.
 
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...I'm just going to say the quiet part out loud:

If someone has a "high-end PC experience" and is still wallowing at the level of console discourse, that person probably has a very small dick.

and there is also this hot-cake:
There is no such thing as a "Gaming PC," and if there were, it would be a video game console

So, what has happened in recent years between these two markets, along with the online discourse, has muddied the reality between them.

videos like this are useless, because they don't reflect how the vast majority of people engage with consoles and/or PCs.
 
And the PC platform is not best at everything for the first time.

Firstly - up to resolutions of 1080p and stable 30 FPS the gains from better hardware is extremely noticeable for the user. That is where we were until this generation generally speaking.

Next step is up to 1600p-1800p (upscaled to 4K) and 60 FPS - the gains are noticeable but less so than before. Texture resolution and geometrical complexity starts to be more important for the experience.

Once you have 1600p-1800p (with 4K upscaling) and 60 FPS, 90% of users do not care or even notice increases in resolution/FPS. Texture quality increase and amount as well as geometrical complexity is clearly noticeable and impressive though.

The current consoles have the advantage over PC when it comes to heavy use of high resolution textures with complex geometries with stable FPS and no stutters.

That is why I believe that at the end of this generation we will see the best games visually on the consoles - with games that fully utilize the possibility for a high amount of high resolution textures and complex geometries.

However, games with decent graphics will always run at much higher FPS on the PC platform. That is where it shines.
 
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Thebonehead said:
You should check out @northwestrepair on YouTube.

Seriously talented at GPU repairs he really puts others to shame.

He sometimes uses ai voice and funny fake beard to rip the piss out of Northridge which is funny in my book
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Subscribed to Northwest as well. Both are great for small board repairs and very talented
 
I love playing both because sometimes ypu can't beat crashing on the sofa and playing some games on console.

Playing split fiction on my console with my daughter couch co op is amazing.

Then i love having situations where I play using cross saves. Cyberpunk, death stranding, indiana jones, hellblade 2...basically any game with awesome graphics. Control. Alan Wake II. Space marine 2

Then head up to my pc and play those dame games and my jaw nearly slaps my desk table and I think....Holy fuck I love you pc this is something else.

For visual clarity and performance nothing matches a high end pc and playing on consoles actually helps you to have more of those little jaw drop moments of how much better pc gaming actually looks.

Once I've finally decided on a gpu I will be able to comment on if the front room pc lives up to a console.
 
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Can't watch the video but this will boil down to 'performance' for a lot of people but the key word in the title is experience. So taking that at face value, you have to kind of adopt the attitude of most of the /pcmr

Leaving aside consoles for the time being, buying high end PC components has never offered value for money and it's not what any sensible person buys when in the market. A majority of people may treat themselves to a full new high end build maybe once or twice in their life but all the value and trade offs mean most people will buy mid range, and sometimes push a component a little harder like GPU or CPU.

The past few years have been really strange to see, essentially even PC is a tradeoff these days. And will only get aggressively moreso with these upscaling solutions. Of course this will apply to consoles to well in the medium term.

I don't think anyone will argue that the average PC has - on the whole - more power in reserve at a per generation level. However, I remember when consoles were sneered at for pushing 30fps and 60fps was the game changer. Now consoles can put out 60fps on a fair number of games and still look excellent (or offer VRR), the narrative has shifted to now you need 120fps or 240fps and a monitor that supports that. At this level we're talking beyond, beyond diminishing returns for huge sums of investment.

And then you have the physical and logistical issue. We all know VR has physical barriers to getting in the living room, so does PC. Then there is the heat, the fact that ideally you need to run a monitor for full value, you need a surface for keyboard/mouse, the extra heat spewing out, in most cases a fan, the fact that you have to deal with occasional PC quirks, whether it's OS, drivers, DLSS change, DS4W or any number of extra little things we install.

After all that you're still left with the same janky animations, the same cutout NPCs, the same LOD streaming issues in engine etc.

Probably the most relevant question is does the PC have any exclusive games that are absolutely worth buying a PC for. Years ago this was true. I don't think it is anymore. PC doesn't have a system seller
 
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Without even get into the high end part:

Multiple stores
Way more indies
Unrestricted moddability
Emulation
Unrestricted retro gaming
Multiples controller support
Exclusive genres (Simulator like DCS, IL2, innumerous racing Sims, Rts, 4x, etc)
 
I mod a lot of game that I play from the outset. I just finished Tales of Graces F Remastered with special k, I am playing FFVIII Rebirth with a handful of mods right now, I am playing Suikoden with SuikodenFix right now. Trails through Daybreak will be modded once I clear up 1 or 2 of the 3 or 4 games I am currently playing. I also have a 4090, so I can have things better barring horrifically optimized PC ports. And yeah, options to turn off garbage filters like DoF, and film grain, MB, CA, vignetting.
 
Esppiral said:
Gaf- PS5 VS High end PC= the difference is negligible.

Gaf- PS5 VS Xbox= have you seen that? the PS5 version runs 1,5 FPS faster while looking identical!!! OMG is a generational leap!!!!!
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You are correct that cheering such small differences is daft, but you must remember all the ps5 fud going around at the start of the gen?
How 12tf full RDNA was going to result in huge differences against the 9tf RDNA 1.5, hell even the guy from this video was helping to push that narrative. I think a lot of the cheering comes from that

Going back to the topic at hand, I think yes a high end pc can clearly produce far superior visuals compared to console. That's always been the case.
 
Yes you do get a good pc experience. BUT! the reason that the handheld/console is better is because a handheld u get a pc like experience and can take it around with you on the go and console it's improving not just graphical but RT aswell without having to spend thousands to get a bunch of components to satisfy your needs and also handheld/consoles is also not power hungry so u don't have to see your electricity bill go up unlike a pc
 
Of course it can be better, but pc hardware pricing has been absurd for quite a while. A lot of PC games also have traversal and shader stutter that isn't an issue on console.
 
Those days are long gone, if you were lucky enough to be in the PC golden age 97-2010 you got games that absolutely crapped on console versions lol now it's more or less the same
 
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Everything has got its time and place. Everything has got its positives and negatives. Cost and form factor have to be taken into consideration as well. It's not about being better.
 
Sgt. Pinback said:
Sony Jedi mind tricked me yesterday with the Death Stranding 2 trailer, so I've spent 24 hours with the PS5 Pro.

Here is my summary of the OP's question:

Is the high end PC experience that much better? Yes. And no. And sometimes.

The PC absolutely wins on raw performance, you would have to be an idiot to deny that. But, raw performance isn't everything. If I want to play Call Of Duty on the PC, I have to load the game, reboot the game because of some patch or other, then wait 10 minutes while I endure shader compilation, then reset all of the settings that have been deleted, then play the game with hackers and cheaters and shader stutter that is impossible to eliminate.

Or, I can click a button on the PS5 Pro, and the game runs with no hackers, cheaters, or shader compilation.

On the flip side, Alan Wake 2 is awful on a console, but beautiful on my 4090.

So, it's not as simple as it used to be. Ten years ago, it was a resounding - absolutely, the PC wins every scenario, all the time, and that's why consoles are dying, etc.

In 2025? It's just not that simple. I love my PC, without a doubt, but I'm seriously impressed by the comfort, design, simplicity, and ease of gaming that the PS5 Pro offers - and, without having to pay AUD $7500 for a fucking 5090.

My plan was to be PC only forever, but that plan has been somewhat disrupted by a growing dissatisfaction with shit ports, shader stutter, and overpriced hardware. So, that 'high end PC experience' comes at a cost that isn't necessarily commensurate with the advantages over the mid-gen refresh hardware that Sony is selling.
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Same goes for mundane things on consoles.

HDR, 4k output, gameplay recording, bt gamepad connection, native 3d audio with every headphones possible... I own a monster rig (and play a lot of KCD 2 on it) and it's nowhere near that convenient to play and enjoy your content with.

Plus current hardware prices make even PS5 Pro a bargain, especially when you're building your PC from scratch.
 
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ShaiKhulud1989 said:
Same goes for mundane things on consoles.

HDR, 4k output, gameplay recording, bt gamepad connection, native 3d audio with every headphones possible... I own a monster rig (and play a lot of KCD 2 on it) and it's nowhere near that convenient to play and enjoy your content with.

Plus current hardware prices make even PS5 Pro a bargain, especially when you're building your PC from scratch.
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Same boat.

I have a monster rig, the very high end, but the inconvenience and software problems with PC just make me choose the console version of games most of the time. I play PC only games on PC and that's it. The difference in fidelity isn't worth the hassle.
 
I will never understand how can people game at a desktop. I play from my bed on my 65" OLED. Turn my whole setup with a click on my PS5 controller.
 
Three said:
Same boat.

I have a monster rig, the very high end, but the inconvenience and software problems with PC just make me choose the console version of games most of the time. I play PC only games on PC and that's it. The difference in fidelity isn't worth the hassle.
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HDR output is still broken in beautiful ways on Windows, and this is a basic feature for high-end gaming (I've recently bought OLED monitor and have strong feelings about it).
 
NomenNescio said:
I will never understand how can people game at a desktop. I play from my bed on my 65" OLED. Turn my whole setup with a click on my PS5 controller.
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I game from my sofa on my 65" Oled. I use a gaming pc with an rtx 4080 and when i start my gaming pc the rest of the setup follows. I exclusivly play games with my 8bitdo controller.
I also would never game at a desktop. Whats your point?
 
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It's very simple for me anyway.

What machine offers the highest resolution and framerate? My PS5 or my PC?

It doesn't need to be any more complicated than that.
 
darrylgorn said:
You can't turn off motion blur, dof, vignetting or chromatic aberration on consoles, so it's an easy yes.
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Well Done Ok GIF by funk
 
ShaiKhulud1989 said:
HDR output is still broken in beautiful ways on Windows, and this is a basic feature for high-end gaming (I've recently bought OLED monitor and have strong feelings about it).
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I'm not that big into HDR but I recently had windows asking to restart every 4 mins trying to install the same update. Restart after restart did nothing until I told it to just ignore it. I still have HL Alyx saying I'm running out of VRAM whenever I boot it (I have a 32GB GDDR7 GPU). The freedom on PC is great but having to go on a troubleshooting hunt for hours for stuff like that is just annoying.
 
Three said:
I'm not that big into HDR but I recently had windows asking to restart every 4 mins trying to install the same update. Restart after restart did nothing until I told it to just ignore it. I still have HL Alyx saying I'm running out of VRAM whenever I boot it (I have a 32GB GDDR7 GPU). The freedom on PC is great but having to go on a troubleshooting hunt for hours for stuff like that is just annoying.
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VR on Windows is a pure clown show. I can feel your pain.
 
ShaiKhulud1989 said:
HDR output is still broken in beautiful ways on Windows, and this is a basic feature for high-end gaming (I've recently bought OLED monitor and have strong feelings about it).
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What exactly is broken about HDR with Windows these days? It can be annoying if you need to switch between SDR and HDR for desktop usage, but for gaming I don't recall any recent issues?
 
Zathalus said:
What exactly is broken about HDR with Windows these days? It can be annoying if you need to switch between SDR and HDR for desktop usage, but for gaming I don't recall any recent issues?
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It's very hard to calibrate both brightness and colors, especially for desktop. On PS5 this setting is mostly system-wide. And this is an essential problem for me, I work as a movie colorist.
 
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Everything runs like ass nowadays while not looking that much better than last gen. The differences are nowhere near as big as before.
 
cinnamonandgravy said:
if you really care about image quality... there's no competition. PC absolutely demolishes console.

armored core 6 on console dips below 60fps and goes as low as 1512p.
on my pc, i use ~2600p and it's over 60fps--thats 3x the resolution plus better performance.
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Is it even possible not care about IQ??
 
Zathalus said:
What exactly is broken about HDR with Windows these days? It can be annoying if you need to switch between SDR and HDR for desktop usage, but for gaming I don't recall any recent issues?
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Nothing is broken. PC is the best place for HDR as it's the only place where you can fix poor native implementations.

Console gamers and misinformation go hand in hand.
 
MarV0 said:
Nothing is broken. PC is the best place for HDR as it's the only place where you can fix poor native implementations.

Console gamers and misinformation go hand in hand.
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I think for native SDR desktop switching and colour correction it leaves a lot to be desired, but that is productivity. This thread is about gaming on PC and for that HDR is perfectly fine.
 
This seems to vary between people, but I feel/see a huge difference between my PS5 Pro and my 5090 desktop rig, both in pure visuals and (even more) in the higher hz/fps.
I use a 120hz 65" LG Oled tv for the consoles, and a 32" 4K 240hz monitor for my PC rig.

Huge difference for me, but others might not see/feel it as much I guess.
I do think that most folks would feel the difference quite easily when going back to the PS5 pro after using a high end PC with a top monitor for a while though.
 
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