DF Clips Is The High-End PC Experience Really *That* Much Better Than Consoles?
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Bojji
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90% of games don't use that console settings. Games have in game options (or no options at all).
Same is true on PC, you have MS app to calibrate HDR and vast majority of games don't give a fuck about it.
HDR on PC works the same as HDR on consoles, other than that manual switch needed before opening up .exe. You also have options to force HDR in unsupported games via Auto HDR, RTX HDR, specialK or others...
Minsc
Gold Member
One and done. Playing FFVII (OG)? Get 60fps everywhere. Playing FFX? Get the built in speed hacks (1-8x and cutscene skip) and the battle encounter toggles and more.
PC games are infinitely more customizable and can cater to your tastes. Don't like some effect or filter, get rid of it. It goes on and on and on.
If all you want to do is play the game at its base level, which can often be the worst way to play it, consoles are great. But if you want an experience that is more than that, PCs give you the option to do so, consoles don't.
Good luck playing Cyperpunk or Returnal in VR on a console. On a PC? No problem. Play Sony's 1st party game, on Sony's PSVR2 in a way Sony doesn't let you on the PS5.
Lucifers Beard
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I'm not too bothered about the highest end gaming experience and I don't think consoles and high end gaming PCs are worlds apart now. Yes PC has path tracing in some games and PC will always have some kind of technology that consoles might not see for a generation or two, but that's really only for those with expensive more high end components.
Where PC gaming comes into its own for me is with the indies and mods. Also being able to customise the experience graphically to meet specific requirements is great too. There are other benefits like some have mentioned such as multiple store fronts and games sometimes being considerably cheaper through online stores like Fanatical and GMG.
Where PC gaming comes into its own for me is with the indies and mods. Also being able to customise the experience graphically to meet specific requirements is great too. There are other benefits like some have mentioned such as multiple store fronts and games sometimes being considerably cheaper through online stores like Fanatical and GMG.
Seriously how the guys on PC have the time to play indies, emulation, retro gaming, exclusive genres and current games? I play on console and don't have a lot of time to play games. Have a backlog that dosen't seem to end. I can't even think about playing retro gaming, emulation or exclusive pc genres.
Multiple store? Console have physical games. You can buy it everywhere and do whatever you want with it, sell your copy, lend it to a friend and more importantly you own the game.
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diffusionx
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It's super expensive, games don't take advantage of the hardware like they used to, there are no more high end PC only games anymore, Steam sales aren't as good as they used to be, and a lot of ports are really bad.
Ironically PC gaming is better on the low end, games like SC2, DOTA2, and LOL aren't on console and there are a lot of great smaller games that run on potatos (like Caves of Qud, Factorio, Dwarf Fortress, etc.). But as a high end thing, it's not nearly as good as it was 5-10 years ago.
Ironically PC gaming is better on the low end, games like SC2, DOTA2, and LOL aren't on console and there are a lot of great smaller games that run on potatos (like Caves of Qud, Factorio, Dwarf Fortress, etc.). But as a high end thing, it's not nearly as good as it was 5-10 years ago.
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Bulletbrain
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Nailed it. Configurability and control is often overlooked in the whole PC Vs console debate, compared to say discussion on raw performance differentials. Yes, one CAN get much better performance and visuals on PC but you do need to pay for it. On the other hand, simple mods, reshade and other small tweaks are available on even very budget PCs, and these can yield significant upgrades.
E.g.: currently playing Yakuza Judgment. Slotted in a few mods that (1) increase NPC density in the city (2) enabled a boss replay functionality and (3) some other QoL tweaks. Plus some light reshade for a little added sharpness and contrast. Boom! Improved experience and didn't cost a penny extra. Best part is, these are all within reach for even the most outdated/budget system!
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Topher
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Generally I have no qualms gaming on my PC versus PS5, or vice versa, since Pro has improved things quite a bit visually on the console side. Prior to Pro, PS5 was only for first party. It has made quite a noticeable difference. At the same time, there are plenty of games I'd rather play on PC like Rogue Trader. Factors like keyboard and mouse, customization, mods, better deals. And on console, physical and the ability to rent from Gamefly. All this comes into play. Having options is good.
ResilientBanana
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Native resolutions and high FPS is where it's at. It's not just graphics.
Who are you to dictate that? Isn't that up to the people spending the money?
Who are you to dictate that? Isn't that up to the people spending the money?
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Hari Seldon
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Consoles are a great deal if you are a casual gamer that just plays COD/Madden or the latest big AAA single player release. But if you like and play PC games (survival, strategy, sim, etc.) then you need a PC. You can play Civ7 on a console but that is retarded. Also multiplayer with the boys is infinitely better on PC with discord and music bots and the huge variety of games with decades of backwards compatibility. Both are great, there is no reason to choose unless you really hate one type of genre, just get both lmao.
reinking
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Bojji
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Seriously how the guys on PC have the time to play indies, emulation, retro gaming, exclusive genres and current games? I play on console and don't have a lot of time to play games. Have a backlog that dosen't seem to end. I can't even think about playing retro gaming, emulation or exclusive pc genres.
Multiple store? Console have physical games. You can buy it everywhere and do whatever you want with it, sell your copy, lend it to a friend and more importantly you own the game.
As long as games have physical release, yes.
Pro launch shows you where physical is going on consoles. On PS5 you are forced to accept Sony prices and policies (no refunds, lol). On PC you have much more options.
Console physical is the king but PC digital is second place.
Radical_3d
Member
Dark times when an Honda and a Lexus are not that far apart. And don't get me started with Hyundai, why is the hybrid Kona 40K€?
On topic: it's been a better performing yet miserable experience for decades now. Not sure why bring the topic post PS360 era.
Well, it's still a BIG disadvantage for PC gaming, not a plus for not having physical and having your "licenses" locked to specific digital storefronts. When physical dies on console then yeah. It's a valid point on PC but now isn't. When this happen then maybe I will probably go back to PC gaming.
Right now on PC you're forced to buy digital, you're also forced to pay the high prices for new hardware like just released GPUs, and even years old GPUs, unless you want to go scavenging second hand markets. A consoles' prices is pretty much fixed, and barring pandemic crisis they go down over time not up.
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Edellus
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So, basically, on paper, of course it is. You can configure your PC experience to whatever you want. Like getting 120+ fps, pathtracing, modding, and even getting pretty close to a console like experience.
But if you prioritize plug and play, and you don't consider many of those pc advantages game changing (I particularly agree with that path tracing and 60+fps are not game changing), then it is not *that* much better. Specially if you're one of those people that thought that new Pokémon game trailer was running on Switch 2, as John said.
So, in short, it depends on the person and what that person values more. Differences of opinion at it again. It's like a human behavioural pattern or something.
I'm looking to comeback to PC gaming soonish (thanks to AMDs new RDNA4 gpus), but I can still see myself playing on my PS5 often (mainly for exclusives and PS plus games).
But if you prioritize plug and play, and you don't consider many of those pc advantages game changing (I particularly agree with that path tracing and 60+fps are not game changing), then it is not *that* much better. Specially if you're one of those people that thought that new Pokémon game trailer was running on Switch 2, as John said.
So, in short, it depends on the person and what that person values more. Differences of opinion at it again. It's like a human behavioural pattern or something.
I'm looking to comeback to PC gaming soonish (thanks to AMDs new RDNA4 gpus), but I can still see myself playing on my PS5 often (mainly for exclusives and PS plus games).
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Bojji
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You already see some games not having physical release. This shit is going into bad direction, no matter if we like it or not.
After jump to majority digital will be done on consoles (half PS6 gen?) you will be left with overpriced Sony store.
Then with the PS6 we can talk about it. Right now almost all games have physical release on console.
Zacfoldor
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I've come full circle, from NES as an 8 year old to elitist jerk wow god and now back to console.People buying PS5 pro while downplaying advantages of pc will never not be funny
I can say with absolute certainty that all gaming is pretty much the same once you start playing and elitism is self doubt manifest.
PC gamers are like the dog chasing the bus. The problem is these people will never carry the industry with PC gaming the way it is now. If consoles ended tomorrow, PC gamers are not gonna be able to step up and start buying the games to cover that difference. You don't really want and cannot hold the weight of the industry. If consoles ever did end, it would necessitate a change in PC gaming that you would absolutely hate. You would be changed into something that could carry the industry and you wouldn't like it. Consoles do more for you than you realize.
Bojji
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We still have 2+ years of this gen so we will see how it goes. IF PS6 has separate disc drive = killer blow to physical releases on consoles.
NuclearDiarrhea
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Consoles are great and all but can they randomly explode and cause a fire like my 5090?
The console experience is boring in comparison.
The console experience is boring in comparison.
Pagusas
Elden Member
Yes it very much is. Games that i find unplayable on conoles (RDR2 for example) are magnificently better on PC, not because of just the graphics, but because I can mod it and fix things like the input latency that ruined the console version. Now the game controls and plays like a dream, responsive and fun. I can also fix the shitty HDR in the game thanks to modds.
Than you have things like FF7 Remake and Rebirth, who have a whole new life on PC thanks to mods for gameplay, music, outfits, and everything (plus playing Rebirth at 4k/120 is silky smooth and glorious).
Games like Civ 7 which launch a month ago in horrible condition have already been 99% fixed by the modding community, the game is a dream now and plays amazingly. Hell even the UI has been fixed thanks to modders. None of that is available on consoles, they are stuck with the worst version of the game and no hope for it to get better until Firaxes pushes more patches.
Than you have things like FF7 Remake and Rebirth, who have a whole new life on PC thanks to mods for gameplay, music, outfits, and everything (plus playing Rebirth at 4k/120 is silky smooth and glorious).
Games like Civ 7 which launch a month ago in horrible condition have already been 99% fixed by the modding community, the game is a dream now and plays amazingly. Hell even the UI has been fixed thanks to modders. None of that is available on consoles, they are stuck with the worst version of the game and no hope for it to get better until Firaxes pushes more patches.
Pagusas
Elden Member
Exactly, PC gaming is like dating a 10 on the hot AND crazy scale. She's going to make you so happy... then she's going to murder you and your family while you sleep. But you'll have a smile on your face.
Mr Hyde
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I don´t have a high end PC that runs the latest AAA games in 4K @120 fps, instead I use it for an improved experience over my PS3 and PS4 collection. A lot of games are locked behind 1080p and 30 fps, even if I play them on PS5 through BC, but on PC I can play those games at higher resolution and higher frames which have been an awesome experience so far. A great example of this is Alien Isolation which I´m currently in the midst of a new playthrough. On PS5 it runs at 1080p/30 fps, but on PC I play it at 1440p and 120 fps which makes the game look and play fantastic. It´s also way more detailed and has a crisp and clean image. It´s night and day when compared to how it runs on consoles.
InterMusketeer
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I can see the value in consoles, but if you're watching a video like that, or spending time on forums defending your precious gamestation or playbox... Let's be real, you're probably deep enough to consider yourself an enthusiast and you might as well spend a bit more money and effort/time to get a better experience.
Magic Carpet
Gold Member
Bestbuy has a new batch of prebuilt gaming PC's with RTX5080's. Starting at $3000 and going up from there.
What else ya gonna spend money on? Food? Gas?
What else ya gonna spend money on? Food? Gas?
Thabass
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Yes, strictly because of mod support. It begins there, I don't care what they have to say, I feel like I get the bang for my buck with settings I can control all the while adding functionality made by fans. Also, we're getting fan recompliations and PC port support for games like Ocarina of Time, which give even more functionality to games (like in OOT, you can now fully control the camera in the original game without the need to get the 3DS version (which, actually didn't have that type of control)).
Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
One and done.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
They don't. Too much games.Seriously how the guys on PC have the time to play indies, emulation, retro gaming, exclusive genres and current games? I play on console and don't have a lot of time to play games. Have a backlog that dosen't seem to end. I can't even think about playing retro gaming, emulation or exclusive pc genres.
Multiple store? Console have physical games. You can buy it everywhere and do whatever you want with it, sell your copy, lend it to a friend and more importantly you own the game.
Not really as you can't even mod the game or play the online part without paying. And on PC you can do whatever you want with your download copy of the game.
Gamer79
Predicts the worst decade for Sony starting 2022
Here is the truth of it that PS5 Pro Fanboys will never admit.
You wanted better than the standard PS5 Pro. You invested hundreds of extra dollars in a More powerful variant of the base edition because you wanted more. The sales of PS5 pro have not been great and even see them on store shelves and that is a rarity for any hot items.
You wanted more, You spend hundreds of extra dollars to get more, and for the most part it didn't deliver. I spent a little more than your PS5 pro but now can play at the fidelity you wish to get. I can run games a 4k and some at 60/120/240fps+. They wanted more but it didn't deliver what they were expecting and it's so under delivering that casuals don't want it.
You wanted better than the standard PS5 Pro. You invested hundreds of extra dollars in a More powerful variant of the base edition because you wanted more. The sales of PS5 pro have not been great and even see them on store shelves and that is a rarity for any hot items.
You wanted more, You spend hundreds of extra dollars to get more, and for the most part it didn't deliver. I spent a little more than your PS5 pro but now can play at the fidelity you wish to get. I can run games a 4k and some at 60/120/240fps+. They wanted more but it didn't deliver what they were expecting and it's so under delivering that casuals don't want it.
dotnotbot
Member
Comparing it to Lexus would've only made sense if PC was more convenient and hassle-free than console but it's the opposite.
BossLackey
Gold Member
I'm primarily a PC gamer, but there are a few times a year where I just wanna say fuck it and switch to consoles as my primary.
I'm already on a computer all day long, shit is getting absurdly expensive, consoles are more convenient, etc.
The thing I miss about primarily playing on a console is not being distracted. Play a game, peruse the store, see what your friends are up to. That's it. I enjoy the limited experience and PCs are just...very distracting for me. It's way too easy to multi-task, pull up a browser, listen to a podcast, watch YouTube, etc.
EDIT: PC ports have also been fucking garbage lately. Combine that with Nvidia's bullshit and devs leaning on framegen and DLSS, it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
I'm already on a computer all day long, shit is getting absurdly expensive, consoles are more convenient, etc.
The thing I miss about primarily playing on a console is not being distracted. Play a game, peruse the store, see what your friends are up to. That's it. I enjoy the limited experience and PCs are just...very distracting for me. It's way too easy to multi-task, pull up a browser, listen to a podcast, watch YouTube, etc.
EDIT: PC ports have also been fucking garbage lately. Combine that with Nvidia's bullshit and devs leaning on framegen and DLSS, it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
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squidilix
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Seein people playing Monster Hunter Wilds with DLSS Performance or Ultra Performance on a 1440p/1080p screen on 30fps is the most hilarious thing
WORSE, seeing people playing with FSR3 Performance AND Frame Generation with sub-45fps and still pretending "this is better than console"...this people just need big copium.
- Final Stuttering VII Rebirth
- Stuttering-Man 2
- Monster Suttering Wilds
- Rise of Stuttering
The most "
this is fine" community
How people act "it's run ok" with 700$ machines? Even with high-end GPU many games have issue.
WORSE, seeing people playing with FSR3 Performance AND Frame Generation with sub-45fps and still pretending "this is better than console"...this people just need big copium.
- Final Stuttering VII Rebirth
- Stuttering-Man 2
- Monster Suttering Wilds
- Rise of Stuttering
The most "
this is fine" communityHow people act "it's run ok" with 700$ machines? Even with high-end GPU many games have issue.
Crayon
Member
It's a little like the difference in cross-gen games. On a nice pc (not a crazy one, though), the games are going to run appreciably better. But you don't have to spend the money to play a good looking game in a way that is acceptable to most people.
Of course... Oh how those cross gen games have been derided in the last 4 years. To the point where they aren't considered to be games at all when it comes to list wars.
Of course... Oh how those cross gen games have been derided in the last 4 years. To the point where they aren't considered to be games at all when it comes to list wars.
viveks86
Member
OP should have added a poll to the thread:
"Did you actually watch all 12 minutes of the video?"
All 3 had reasonable responses. But I'm sure the most in here didn't bother and are more interested in just warring and calling the opposite side a bunch of uninformed fools who are wasting their money.
"Did you actually watch all 12 minutes of the video?"
All 3 had reasonable responses. But I'm sure the most in here didn't bother and are more interested in just warring and calling the opposite side a bunch of uninformed fools who are wasting their money.
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Schmendrick
Member
are these "people" in the room with us right now?Seein people playing Monster Hunter Wilds with DLSS Performance or Ultra Performance on a 1440p/1080p screen on 30fps is the most hilarious thing
WORSE, seeing people playing with FSR3 Performance AND Frame Generation with sub-45fps and still pretending "this is better than console"...this people just need big copium.
- Final Stuttering VII Rebirth
- Stuttering-Man 2
- Monster Suttering Wilds
- Rise of Stuttering
The most "
How people act "it's run ok" with 700$ machines? Even with high-end GPU many games have issue.
Low quality bait.
BossLackey
Gold Member
Seein people playing Monster Hunter Wilds with DLSS Performance or Ultra Performance on a 1440p/1080p screen on 30fps is the most hilarious thing
WORSE, seeing people playing with FSR3 Performance AND Frame Generation with sub-45fps and still pretending "this is better than console"...this people just need big copium.
- Final Stuttering VII Rebirth
- Stuttering-Man 2
- Monster Suttering Wilds
- Rise of Stuttering
The most "
How people act "it's run ok" with 700$ machines? Even with high-end GPU many games have issue.
Playing MHW on a PC 3x the price of my friend's console and having a significantly worse experience is a bad feeling.
And that's after tons of troubleshooting. I have other hobbies. I have a busy life. I don't have time, energy, or patience for this fucking bullshit.
And unfortunately, most of my favorite games are Japanese and made by devs that target consoles far and away more than PC and also know jack shit or care jack shit about making decent ports.
Between a Sony dominated AAA space, Xbox all but bowing out, AMD getting edged out by devs leaning on Nvidia specific tech, and Nvidia fucking us in the ass with prices/supply and meager performance increases, the future of hardware is looking grim. I'm far from an expert though and I'd love to be wrong.
Puscifer
Member
Than a BMW, choose your pick. But a premium experience is worthwhile. Reality is you're getting bleeding edge tech that entirely trickles down 5-8 years later.
Gp1
Member
Seriously how the guys on PC have the time to play indies, emulation, retro gaming, exclusive genres and current games? I play on console and don't have a lot of time to play games. Have a backlog that dosen't seem to end. I can't even think about playing retro gaming, emulation or exclusive pc genres.
Such a first world problem... too many games
PaintTinJr
Gold Member
Just curious have you got any modern game receipts for this claim - of the Gaf collection viewpoint of PS5 vs XsX?
I can't even remember the last time PS5 vs XsX was even a major discussion on DF, never mind Gaf. Elden Ring in PS4 Pro mode (on PS5) to avoid stutter on other versions? Can't think of anything else of note since or have I just not been paying enough attention?
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Partly that, but also diminishing returns is a thing. 4x the GPU power doesn't give you a game that looks 4x as good.
SweetTooth
Banned
Weren't you crying two days ago about GPU prices? Get a grip man or is it that time of the month lol
Bojji
Member
Seein people playing Monster Hunter Wilds with DLSS Performance or Ultra Performance on a 1440p/1080p screen on 30fps is the most hilarious thing
WORSE, seeing people playing with FSR3 Performance AND Frame Generation with sub-45fps and still pretending "this is better than console"...this people just need big copium.
- Final Stuttering VII Rebirth
- Stuttering-Man 2
- Monster Suttering Wilds
- Rise of Stuttering
The most "
How people act "it's run ok" with 700$ machines? Even with high-end GPU many games have issue.
Bojji
Member
I doubt most people even bothered to watch the video.
Karppuuna
Member
I just recently sold my PS5 because its too week machine for my gaming standarts. I need solid 60fps minimum, and my 2080 and 5800x i can achieve that easily in almost any cases. Of course there are those shitty PC ports, but nobody is forsing you to play them. Its tress free gaming now, no more worries that is the game going to hit that sweet 60.