DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Stocky? Where? She's no waif but she's nowhere near "stocky".
And your takes on this movie are all over the place. It's like you didn't watch it all the way through and only looked when there was commotion going on.
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And your takes on this movie are all over the place. It's like you didn't watch it all the way through and only looked when there was commotion going on.
I watched it intently and thoroughly. In theater. No distractions.
Y'all just trying to gaslight folks about what this film is or isn't.
It's a fine film, for what it is. But you crazy if you think Florence Pugh is the physical embodiment of a Widow.
EverydayBeast
ChatGPT 0.001
Fortunately my theater had good people, because multiple movies I've been too you had random laughter, people getting up etc.
The movie wasn't too overwhelming with talent, I think it turned into a good movie half way through it, the villain got control over his powers quick.
Enjoyed that thunderbolts.
The movie wasn't too overwhelming with talent, I think it turned into a good movie half way through it, the villain got control over his powers quick.
Enjoyed that thunderbolts.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
RJMacready73
Simps for Amouranth
Just back from a showing with my kid, we loved it, the movie just flew by and I was genuinely shocked it was over, had the right amount of brevity and tackled some pretty serious mental health stuff as well as a marvel movie could, Florence is an incredible actress, she was outstanding in this, Sentry is some serious god tier shit with is powers and at long last a genuinely good end credits scene, it's deffo in my top 10 list and faaaaaaar better than Captain America
I fucking loved this movie. It's seriously in my top 5 MCU films. Acting was great, the sentry was phenomenal, and I like that Bob will be such a wild card going forward just like the comic version. I fucking loved the overall messages on loneliness, PTSD, acceptance, etc. it was also quite a dark film and actually let its characters show their emotions and not make some garbage joke 5 seconds after really poignant moments (it did occur sometimes, but it wasn't as aggravating as in other MCU films). These people were broken and they felt broken. I do feel like they did taskmaster dirty, tho.
AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
This is a good review.
I do wonder all the people that were vanished in Helicopters and then came back, do they come back in the wreckage that is on fire or do they come back in the sky where the chopper no longer is there. Just falling to the ground.
Or the countless folks that were in moving cars, elevators, subways, busses, and boats. Or the countless folks going up and down stairs, were getting emergent medical care, were in surgery, delivering a baby, etc.
Nah, let's just toss that heavy tone and let him hang out at the New Avengers clubhouse, no worries.
"only" a 55% drop this weekend, so WOM, yay? I'm not sure if this doing what Cap America 4 did is good for them or just illustrates the total collapse of the Cap America name.
Still, maybe we will look back at this film as when the MCU started to turn itself back around.
AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
Did it only effect you if the shadow touched you. So could you be in the interior and not near the shadow and be unaffected by it. Or on the subway and not be bothered. Could an underground society survive the depression of Sentinel?
SidViscous
Member
They missed the landing with that final battle, the plot really shits the bed and doesn't even attempt to make any sort of sense.
The whole scary shadow death stuff from the trailer being a complete fake-out is super lame, so they just go to depression land and came back unharmed? and everybody is fine about it to the extent nobody questions why the "villain" is being cheered on for saving them from.. himself.
And whats with him reverting back to Bob, old clothes, old hair etc the moment he's defeated, what happened to his Sentry makeover?
Literally makes zero sense.
And whats with him reverting back to Bob, old clothes, old hair etc the moment he's defeated, what happened to his Sentry makeover?
Literally makes zero sense.
Doom85
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I mean, that was your assumption, that those turned into shadows were dead. The trailers never said they died. And considering the final trailer showed Yelena walking into the shadow, I feel it was obvious those consumed by the shadow weren't gone for good.
Bob was covered completely in shadow as The Void, no one aside from the Thunderbolts, Valentina, and Mel know that was Bob.
Bob was covered completely in shadow as The Void, no one aside from the Thunderbolts, Valentina, and Mel know that was Bob.
Heimdall_Xtreme
Hermen Hulst Fanclub's #1 Member
I saw it, it needs more visual impact in the fight choreographies.
it wasn't funny in her jokes and it went on for a long time.
I give it a score of 6.
it wasn't funny in her jokes and it went on for a long time.
I give it a score of 6.
Speaking to this, I just watched a packet of foreign action films off.....netflix I believe. First was Extraterratorial from germany. Female ex-special forces solder has to fight through an embassy.....stop me if this premise sounds tired by now, to save her son. But WOW, they really worked the fight choreography so the lean and dynamic lead lady could convincingly fight several big guys simultaneously. She throws elbows, knees, rolls with her body, used the environment to her advantage and if she is hit with a right cross to the face....yeah she is down for a beat. Some really good stuff in what is otherwise a fairly pedestrian film. But is shows what a Widow COULD be like if the MCU had the time and desire for good fights.
Then there was the french car action series Last Bullet 1,2, and 3. Again, similar dynamic fights where everyone is getting hurt and the lead doesn't look like they are bored going through motions as stuntment fall around them. Plus is has the lead, when faced with a female cop, just pick her up and throw her across the room, which is about what would happen should a 130 pound girl go up against a fit 190 pound guy. The series is best in the first film, but all three are worth watching IMHO.
Anyway, point being is that there are ways to differentiate a fisticuff type "superhero" film from CG laden capeshit and Thunderbolts should have been the obvious time to do it. That team really has no business dealing with flying guys that can throw you with his mind or whatever. It should have been a far more tense and gripping thriller with just a backdrop of some extra strength, the ability to phase through a wall (but it costs her), or a silver arm. The fights needed to feel more personal, visceral, and deadly. Killing Taskmaster right off the bat did nothing to make you think anyone else on the team was ever in jeopardy.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
I haven't watched the movie yet but I'll make my own judgement on whether I like the film or not. I have disliked stuff that people loved. I might even hate this movie despite Kojima liking the film and I have hated stuff that he enjoyed
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wipeout364
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I went on the weekend saw in IMAX (not 3D). It was great, first movie I have enjoyed since Guardians 3.
I think the New Avengers thing was good at the time but in thinking back on it was a mistake.
Part of the beauty of this team was the guns, knives and the sense they lacked such black and white morality of the avengers. I think this makes the team less interesting in the long run. The fact that they are all killers made them more interesting than the typical Marvel heroes.
I think the New Avengers thing was good at the time but in thinking back on it was a mistake.
Part of the beauty of this team was the guns, knives and the sense they lacked such black and white morality of the avengers. I think this makes the team less interesting in the long run. The fact that they are all killers made them more interesting than the typical Marvel heroes.
Zephyranthes
Member
Good movie, really enjoyed the focus on the human element of these characters. Florence Pugh carries this just like she did in Black Widow....her scene with David Harbour near the end is one of the most compelling and emotionally resonant things that Marvel has put on film in quite some time. Even if it doesn't look like this is going to be a blockbuster hit at the box office, I hope Marvel can still use it a launching point for good things later on.
Ulysses 31
Gold Member
Looks like it won't even do better than Captain America 4 flop.
But thunderbolts is like half the budget (if you believe the massive cost overrun on BNW rumors) so it might actually eek out a few $$ profit.
Ulysses 31
Gold Member
Eh, it has a reported budget of 180M without promo(which often is an extra 50M-100M on top). It might break even if promo costs were free.
Doom85
Member
Still nothing compared to the massive box office bomb MI 8 is looking to be. With its 300-400 million dollar budget, they'll likely need 750 million-1 billion to break even, and Memorial Weekend gave them only 204 million.
To be fair, it's not fully their fault, the Actors' Strike apparently interrupted reshoots which causes production costs to skyrocket (also another minor delay occurred due to submarine malfunction). But still, not looking good.
Meanwhile, any money Disney lost from Thunderbolts, they made back and more with Lilo and Stitch, which on a 100 million budget has already made 341 million on opening weekend alone. Plus, the strong word of mouth will likely make Thunderbolts do quite well on Disney+.
Thunderbolts had to go over after a lot of garbage marvel films. I'm pretty sure most people that have seen it like it more than almost everything else going back till No way home or even all the way back to endgame. To think it would be a billion dollar film is just crazy after all of that trash before it.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
Still nothing compared to the massive box office bomb MI 8 is looking to be. With its 300-400 million dollar budget, they'll likely need 750 million-1 billion to break even, and Memorial Weekend gave them only 204 million.
To be fair, it's not fully their fault, the Actors' Strike apparently interrupted reshoots which causes production costs to skyrocket (also another minor delay occurred due to submarine malfunction). But still, not looking good.
Meanwhile, any money Disney lost from Thunderbolts, they made back and more with Lilo and Stitch, which on a 100 million budget has already made 341 million on opening weekend alone. Plus, the strong word of mouth will likely make Thunderbolts do quite well on Disney+.
Unfortunately the constant releases of bad movies and shows has really damaged the brand. We shall see how the Avenger films do but it wouldn't surprise me if they both made less than the first Avengers movie. Same with Jame Gunns Superman movie
Doom85
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Actually, it's being projected to open with a domestic 175 million (so not accounting for international) for its opening weekend which is VERY strong. It has two weekends before Fantastic Four debuts, but the first two weekends are generally the most important for a film's box office anyway.
KyoZz
Tag, you're it.
The fact that you didn't even MENTION ME... So I count for NOTHING RIGHT? We were banned from the Cap4 thread TOGETHER, but I guess it was just physical right? RIGHT?
You ok with sloppy seconds?
The fact that you didn't even MENTION ME... So I count for NOTHING RIGHT? We were banned from the Cap4 thread TOGETHER, but I guess it was just physical right? RIGHT?
Doom85
Member
The fact that you didn't even MENTION ME... So I count for NOTHING RIGHT? We were banned from the Cap4 thread TOGETHER, but I guess it was just physical right? RIGHT?
You should be faithful to Mana. I know it hurts right now, but I believe, and so should you, that he'll return someday! And then the two of you will be together forever!
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
The dude playing the sentry looks pretty small.
He's nerdy but (somewhat) ripped. I just realized today he's a nepo baby like Wyatt, his dad is Bill Pullman. Explains the weird uncanny valley he generates.
Ulysses 31
Gold Member
‘Thunderbolts’ Set to Lose $100 Million, Becomes Second-Worst MCU Performer — World of Reel
To be clear, Thunderbolts hasn’t sunk to the depths of “The Marvels,” which remains the MCU’s lowest-grossing film at just $205M worldwide. But it’s still the second-worst performer in franchise history.
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Spyxos
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Too bad good movie, but after the miserable Captain America many probably didn't want to go to another Marvel movie so soon after.‘Thunderbolts’ Set to Lose $100 Million, Becomes Second-Worst MCU Performer — World of Reel
To be clear, Thunderbolts hasn’t sunk to the depths of “The Marvels,” which remains the MCU’s lowest-grossing film at just $205M worldwide. But it’s still the second-worst performer in franchise history.
Revolutionary
Member
Seems like that New Avengers marketing gimmick didn't work
AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
IT had to cost less than those too. And both of those movie were absolutely terrible.
kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
‘Thunderbolts’ Set to Lose $100 Million, Becomes Second-Worst MCU Performer — World of Reel
To be clear, Thunderbolts hasn’t sunk to the depths of “The Marvels,” which remains the MCU’s lowest-grossing film at just $205M worldwide. But it’s still the second-worst performer in franchise history.
Disney shot this movie in the UK and this will net them a 25% tax refund from the UK government. The loss won't be $100 mil but more like $50 mil and that's just based on cinema revenues and won't include DVD/Blu-Ray sales, streaming, TV rights, etc.
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
I just think people are over Marvel. I don't know if anything is going to dramatically turn things around any time soon.
Fake
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Sybrix
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It's characters no one cares about or knows.
Everyone knows Spider-Man, Hulk, Iron Man.... but who the fuck is the Red Guardian?
Marvel used to be able to get away with introducting the B-list superheros 10+ years ago, these films were still novilty and exciting. Now, we're at a place where superhero movies are saturated and no one cares anymore.
Everyone knows Spider-Man, Hulk, Iron Man.... but who the fuck is the Red Guardian?
Marvel used to be able to get away with introducting the B-list superheros 10+ years ago, these films were still novilty and exciting. Now, we're at a place where superhero movies are saturated and no one cares anymore.
Doom85
Member
Exactly (well, I think Black Adam is good when it's scenes that are focused on the JSA especially Dr. Fate and Hawkman, the movie should have just been about them as the main focus, with a supporting role for Black Adam as an initial threat but who then helps them in the final fight against the real villain), and since Thunderbolts got much better word of mouth, I'm sure it will do far better on Disney+ compared to Eternals.
TDiddyLive
Member
lol what a low bar to aim for.
Doom85
Member
It wasn't the bar I even came up with, it was done by The Hollywood Handle's tweet who of course left out the fact that Eternals (and Black Adam) had a much larger budget than Thunderbolts because context is less important than earning themselves some clickbait.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
I'm not in my feels about it or anything but calling something a box office "bomb" used to mean it truly utterly flopped. Like barely lasted in theaters, box office receipts way under it's budget that sort of thing. Not a movie whose BO receipts are nearly $400 million.
Everything about every topic now is either amazing or a bomb or whatever, there's no nuance left on the internet. Things can't just do OK but not great lol
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I don't think Black Adam cost much more than Thunderbolts, or Eternals, they were all in that 180-200 mill range and with hollywood funny money the real costs could be almost anything considering tax rebates, tax write-offs, and all that.
The MCU films are getting graded based on the insane ROI most of the pre-endgame flicks were doing, when a 200 mill budget film was doing 1-1.2 BILLION in receipts. It's a little unfair but also a clear sign that the MCU can't bank on the massive audience goodwill they had from Avengers through Endgame, when a fair number of mid films were making big bank. The MCU ditched a lot of that audience looking for a mythical one and they either need to cirlce the wagons and earn back trust or drastically lower budgets because they are going after a much smaller audience.
Doom85
Member
Not to mention they're all under assumptions of the marketing budget. NO ONE knows what the budget for that is, anyone who claims "no, it's always been the rule that the marketing budget is ____ of the production budget" is full of it, as the "rule" seems to conveniently jump back and forth between double, 2.5x, and triple the production budget. In other words:
The actual facts are we don't know the marketing budget for sure and anyone who claims otherwise is either lying or is taking estimates as total actual facts. Like, Deadline? All one has to do is do a proper Google search, and find out, no, they don't know for sure the marketing budget, they make educated guesses based on what info of visible marketing they can gather, but that still involves a lot of guesswork as they don't know how negotiations went to make certain marketing deals, how much every employee in marketing individually is paid, etc.
Now, it seems on occasion a film studio will disclose to others what the full marketing budget of a film ended up being, but that definitely seems to be the exception and not the rule, so we can't assume any estimate of a marketing budget is concrete fact.
But of course, this level of awareness of how the marketing budget is actually estimated doesn't earn clickbait by certain Youtubers and others who prioritize treating estimates as facts if that gets them views, so they just claim to "know for sure" what the marketing budget is despite having no such concrete info.
Doom85
Member
Black Adam's production budget was 190-260 million, they weren't able to know for sure where exactly, it seems delays and such due to COVID made it hard to guess exactly. Eternals was reported at 235 million for its production budget, and Disney themselves admitted the production ended up going over their intended. Thunderbolts had a 180 million production budget (it has been reported it could be only 150 million, but we'll say 180 just to be safe). So it was lower.
However, it now seems after looking into it, Thunderbolts may have had a lower marketing budget, at only 100 million. Which, hey, given how many people kept going, "I didn't know this film existed", would be somewhat believable. Some sources go higher at 150 million.
Which means, at currently making 370 million at the box office, Thunderbolts would be profitable either way.
Obviously these are still estimates for the marketing budget, but it still provides more context than "this movie made less at the box office than this other movie, please don't look into their budgets for more context!" clickbait.
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kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
Your calculations don't make sense. If Thunderbolts cost $180 to make and the marketing budget was $100, then the total costs was $280 million dollars. Since cinemas and Hollywood studios split the box office revenues, the movie would have to make at least twice that much ($560 million) to break even.
Thunderbolts has made about $370 million at the global box office, so Disney would be $190 million in the red.
However, the movie was partly filmed in the UK so Disney will get 25% of its production budget back from the UK government, so that would be about $45 (based on your $180 guesstimate). In that case total costs would be $135 m prod + $100 m marketing = $235 m -> $470 m break even point. Now Disney's is just $100 million in the red and of course the movie will keep making money through DVD/BluRay sales, digital sales, rentals, TV rights, etc etc.
Doom85
Member
Evenly split? From my understanding, the first two or three weekends, the studio receives 70-90% of the revenues depending on the contract. It's after that it becomes around 50%, maybe even lower (in favor of the theater) since a film will be drawing less viewers than that by then usually and the theater needs compensation for still devoting screenings to it.
Thunderbolts, like most movies, made the vast majority of its money in the first two weekends.
But honestly, it's at this point you realize there's too many variables to ever figure out if the film did well or not barring a MASSIVE underperformance or success at the theater.
I mean, it's funny everyone is focusing on Thunderbolts when it's the current 300-400 million production budget film that is looking PRETTY BAD in terms of how it's going to end up performing.
Mission: Impossible - The Final Reckoning
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That's definitely not a knock on the film, it's great, and it sucks it's not doing well (the film's budget apparently went significantly up due to unfortunate delays during filming). But this is why a film's subjective quality should not be defined by its box office performance. And for those who want to claim otherwise, I guess they think the Minecraft movie and the Lilo and Stitch remake are among the best movies this year……
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TDiddyLive
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International revenue sharing is largely lower for the distributor which is why formulations usually just do the 50% split when calculating.Evenly split? From my understanding, the first two or three weekends, the studio receives 70-90% of the revenues depending on the contract. It's after that it becomes around 50%, maybe even lower (in favor of the theater) since a film will be drawing less viewers than that by then usually and the theater needs compensation for still devoting screenings to it.
Thunderbolts, like most movies, made the vast majority of its money in the first two weekends.
But honestly, it's at this point you realize there's too many variables to ever figure out if the film did well or not barring a MASSIVE underperformance or success at the theater.
I mean, it's funny everyone is focusing on Thunderbolts when it's the current 300-400 million production budget film that is looking PRETTY BAD in terms of how it's going to end up performing.
Mission: Impossible - The Final Reckoning
That's definitely not a knock on the film, it's great, and it sucks it's not doing well (the film's budget apparently went significantly up due to unfortunate delays during filming). But this is why a film's subjective quality should not be defined by its box office performance. And for those who want to claim otherwise, I guess they think the Minecraft movie and the Lilo and Stitch remake are among the best movies this year……
Then the pivot you made in the second half is wild. I've heard nothing but good things about Thunderbolts but I will wait for Disney+ to watch it. It might be great but that doesn't change the fact that it bombed.
And pointing out why everyone is focusing on Thunderbolts when other movies are doing worse? Umm… this thread is literally about Thunderbolts…
Doom85
Member
I mean the off topic section in general. We have a Mission Impossible Final Reckoning thread, but no one there is bringing up the abysmal box office performance for what it likely needs to make.
As for discussing the quality, I'm talking about clickbait drama YouTubers and their like. Who will try to act like a film's performance is irrefutable proof of the film's quality. And let's be real, not referring to you, but there are definitely a few people here who often act in a similar manner. Or heck, just be blatantly obvious in only highlighting certain details that are beneficial for them at the moment even if contradicts prior arguments they've made. Take the Captain America Brave New World thread. Several posters were showing the critics' score on Rottem Tomatoes at 48%, but "conveniently" did not post the audience score which was quite higher. This despite the fact that many here claim "critics don't get it anymore" and "audiences know better how movies should be", yet for Captain America BNW, suddenly they shift their tune. It's behavior like this that just gets tiresome after a while.
And honestly, I used to not care about the box office. But now I've been more or less forced to pay attention to it, because so many people are obsessed with it, practically cheering for things to fail and put an end to what I've been enjoying. And they'll cheer at any opportunity, even if all they have are estimates and guesswork and are ignoring other factors, but those sort of Youtubers and such and their followers don't give a shit about honesty and context, they want to push The Narrative that fits their channel's angle.
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