Isn't Spider-man 2 running at ultra setting on PS5. I know ray tracing is just reflections on PS5.
Will PC gaming suffer because portable gaming is becoming more popular?
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
AFAIK no. AF 16x and higher resolution reflections for example are PC only. There are also RT shadows and AO.
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JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Have you actually looked at sales data on handhelds? Have you looked at the amount of revenue being brought in by nvidia and AMD from gaming. It's in the 10s of billions.
The answer to your question is a resounding NO.
Ok people buy all types of GPUs from nvidia and amd especially the ones that aren't high end. The most popular GPUs on steam are a 4060 and 3060 which are 1080p GPUs.
Sept Terrion Of Nothing
Member
Look, handheld is all good and fine. I also like it very much under certain circumstances. But for the last six months I play games on 42" OLED monitor (before it was 27"). You cannot beat the detail on big screens.
Like melons (
) I like all sizes but big screens are something else.
Like melons (
) I like all sizes but big screens are something else.
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lughnasadh123
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I think there's a lot of extra qualifications going on beyond the best res/fps I meant for my post. And it is. PC gaming is still king. It might be shit at times depending on the game, but that doesn't change anything. Nor do I see that changing any time soon.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
That is not how it works. They can play games in 8k even. It depends on how heavy is the game.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Those GPUs could play most games of their time at 2K with no issues.
Ok defintely at with upscalers they can get up to 60 fps. But they ain't doing 60 fps at 2K high settings without dlss in games like doom eternal and Monster hunter wilds.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
The only people that say this dont understand how much of a breakthrough real time ray tracing is and are forgetting how many pixels 4K actually is.
Pushing native 4K60 is hard in general, pushing it with RT and/or any other major effects running is a true triumph when you manage to pull it off.
Its expensive.
Worse still PC gamers always crank the settings to max and wonder why their shitty GPU cant run the game at 4K60 native.
Even idTech struggles to hammer 4K60 without DRS and Upscalers on GPUs as powerful as the 4080.
And that engine is efficient as fuck.
If you dont want to use upscalers then dont set the game to max settings, youll get there eventually.
However, NOT using upscalers when DLSS is as good as it is right now, seems like leaving frames on the table to me.
If you tinker with your settings a 4070Ti even a 4070S could be totally viable 4K60 cards, just dont expect max settings and you are golden.
Calling the games not fully optimizing the hardware, when you choose NOT to use the Tensor cores that would otherwise be sleeping for upscaling, then also decide to punish your midrange card by running at max settings 4K60 doesnt sound like the game isnt fully optimizing the hardware......more like the human isnt fully optimizing their hardware.
Yes, there are broken games, no one is saying otherwise, but many many AAA games come out that are pushing these cards to their limits......but users dont understand not every card can play every game at the highest settings at 4K native.........
I dunno when PC gamers became so stupid and complacent, I never bought range topping cards so i never expected range topping performance in the latest games, i might go back a "generation" to play older titles at higher settings now that my card is more powerful, id be more excited when a new game would come out and looked amazing and could push my card to the point i needed to start tinkering.......dont worry nextgen im coming back to this game to see it in all its glory.
But today it seems every thinks every card should hammering out 4K60 as if there isnt a horsepower level above their shitty cards.
TrebleShot
Member
Do you mean Windows gaming or PC gaming? Because pc can run steam os and Linux.
I think Windows gaming is under serious threat unless this Xbox pc app flies.
The handheld market will take off yes.
Most of the gaming audience are hitting baby age as in having kids. So hogging a tv to play games is a bit awkward and not very sociable.
Most people outside of youtubers teenagers and incels don't live alone or have the want to sit in darkened pc game rooms.
So handhelds fit that mold amazingly.
I hope they take off and the traditional box under the tv and tower pc become niche products.
I think Windows gaming is under serious threat unless this Xbox pc app flies.
The handheld market will take off yes.
Most of the gaming audience are hitting baby age as in having kids. So hogging a tv to play games is a bit awkward and not very sociable.
Most people outside of youtubers teenagers and incels don't live alone or have the want to sit in darkened pc game rooms.
So handhelds fit that mold amazingly.
I hope they take off and the traditional box under the tv and tower pc become niche products.
Guilty_AI
Member
Games today are highly scalable and different systems are very similar to each other. You can make a game that can both look gorgeous on the most powerful machines and run on steam deck. Picking the most powerful hardware available and focusing exclusively on that won't give out much better results.
Like, the bodycam game you mentioned? It can run on a mid/low-budget laptop GPU at 30-40 fps on high settings (and that's without stuff like frame-gen or upscalers)
The only games you'll see requiring powerful hardware are sim-ish types of game, games where the user has the ability to create specific situations that put the hardware to work without much chance of work-arounds. Though technically you could still play those on weaker hardware as long as you purposefully avoid situations that are too demanding.
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lastmessiah
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It's all the same shit now. Makes me laugh when people talk about consoles like they are something different from "PC". They are all just x86 personal computers. The industry needs a platform revolution or someone to come in and shake things up. It needs this badly.
Mibu no ookami
Banned
The amount that we talk about PC handhelds when the Steam Deck has such meager market penetration is astounding.
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I don't see it. It's cheaper and companies can make more money coming out with a standard and a pro version. Custom based hardware is a thing of the past I'm afraid.
darrylgorn
Member
Did you miss the ROG Ally announcement this week? Or ever heard of Steam Deck?
These are essentially mobile PCs.
These are essentially mobile PCs.
LazyParrot
Member
Less focus on cutting edge visuals is the best thing that could happen to gaming in general.
Bernardougf
Member
This is the way.
Laptop1991
Member
No, PC gaming has had mostly console ports for the best part of 20 years now and is still popular due to the freedom you get with modding and choice, even MS wanted PC gamers on their GP service, so portable handheld gaming won't change that and also a PC can do a lot more than just gaming.
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PeteBull
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Lets be real here, guys, u got already games on pc that run okish on steamdeck in 720p low/lowest settings(thats even weaker from base ps4, which switch2 is stronger from visibly) and those same games make BiS gpu's like 5090 bend the knee maxed in native 4k60.
Scalability is crazy big on pc platform, ofc with that come all kinds of negatives(like way less optimisation).
Just to give u guys idea, game running in 720p30 stable needs 18x gpu perfromance at exactly same settings to reach native 4k60, and ofc there are low/medium/high/ultra and often way beyond ultra settings(especially if u count in raytracing or its more accurate and even heavier version to run- pathtracing)to make even bigger difference.
PC gaming will be fine like it always was , thx to games nowadays being scalable af.
TLDR: Rather start worring about switch2 not getting big budget AAA graphicall heavy current and next gen ports, not pc suffer from switch2 presence
FFS even launch game on switch2 like fast fusion is literally 360p in docked upscaled to 4k(dlss is terrible in that game coz game is very fast paced, think wipeout/f-zero).
We all saw gta6 trailers and witcher4 techdemo, holidays 2028 next gen starts at the latest and most AAA games will look if not just as good then close to that on ps6/new xbox/future gens of pc gpus.
We gamers will be more than fine on pc/new consoles, switch2 owners should be the only ones worried they gonna be left in the last gen dust same way switch1 was left out, hardware difference vs ps6/ highend pc in 2028 will be just as big as it was between switch1 and ps5.
Scalability is crazy big on pc platform, ofc with that come all kinds of negatives(like way less optimisation).
Just to give u guys idea, game running in 720p30 stable needs 18x gpu perfromance at exactly same settings to reach native 4k60, and ofc there are low/medium/high/ultra and often way beyond ultra settings(especially if u count in raytracing or its more accurate and even heavier version to run- pathtracing)to make even bigger difference.
PC gaming will be fine like it always was , thx to games nowadays being scalable af.
TLDR: Rather start worring about switch2 not getting big budget AAA graphicall heavy current and next gen ports, not pc suffer from switch2 presence
FFS even launch game on switch2 like fast fusion is literally 360p in docked upscaled to 4k(dlss is terrible in that game coz game is very fast paced, think wipeout/f-zero).
We all saw gta6 trailers and witcher4 techdemo, holidays 2028 next gen starts at the latest and most AAA games will look if not just as good then close to that on ps6/new xbox/future gens of pc gpus.
We gamers will be more than fine on pc/new consoles, switch2 owners should be the only ones worried they gonna be left in the last gen dust same way switch1 was left out, hardware difference vs ps6/ highend pc in 2028 will be just as big as it was between switch1 and ps5.
Astray
Member
Nintendo did Valve's lifetime sales of the Deck in like half a week!
This is why online gaming circles will continually be surprised. Because circlejerks run supremely deep.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
How when PC plays all the games?
PC will be the Lambo version of these devices.
PC will be the Lambo version of these devices.
YeulEmeralda
Linux User
I speak for myself: didn't spend 3k on a new PC to play videogames on a small screen at 40fps.
Lokaum D+
Member
I ll tell you a secret..... They've been holding fidelity for the last two decades, but dont tell anyone.
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RoboFu
One of the green rats
Let me also add that the best thing for PC gaming is to have low price and longevity to hardware. Portables will bring both. that 5090 might last you 10 years instead of 4 if people are not always chasing idiotic graphics nonsense driving higher prices. Lower prices will bring in more consumers. Youtubers are to blame for a lot of it though. got to have those click bait headlines to get views!
A 1080ti can still play any modern games without ray tracing at reasonable settings. I don't see how a 5090 couldn't last for 10 years with lowered settings. Especially when you have upscalers and framegen.
Kataploom
Gold Member
IDC, I've sustained for a while now and I feel it's basically confirmed that hardware is not the bottleneck for game dev these days, but everything related to HR: You need bigger teams, bigger budgets, much more time, etc. And all because "gamers" want bigger games (which has been debunked several times by AA successes).
IMO game devs can't even take advantage of Switch 2 or XSS level of hardware most of the time, let alone PS5 or even PS6 when it comes out, so lower common denominators than top end will be irrelevant anyway...
IMO game devs can't even take advantage of Switch 2 or XSS level of hardware most of the time, let alone PS5 or even PS6 when it comes out, so lower common denominators than top end will be irrelevant anyway...
consoul
Member
The devs behind games like Black Myth Wukong, Star Wars Outlaws, or Metro Exodus Enhanced weren't holding back to make sure their games would run OK on handhelds.
I'm sure any of them can run with heavy compromises, but did their game design suffer just to support handhelds? I don't think so.
Hideous Snake
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Never will. It will always be a great option and that's about it
Never replacing PC and Consoles. Unless portables can provide that high-end power then MAYBE
Never replacing PC and Consoles. Unless portables can provide that high-end power then MAYBE
Not a single setting is equal to Ultra on a PC.
https://www.eurogamer.net/digitalfoundry-2022-marvels-spider-man-pc-tech-review
Edit, noticed that was for the first game. I can't find equvilent settings for 2, but here's a comparison video. Reflections in objects and water as well as foliage just don't compare.
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Efren is G.O.A.T.
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If PC gaming is held back by anything it's because of the price of its components...more precisely the insane GPU prices.
PC handhelds are currently very niche. I don't see them affecting future PC/Console games. PC/Console will always have games that will not run on a handheld and are aimed at enthusiasts. Nobody is going to be playing Flight Sim on a handheld, just as nobody really bought Resident Evil Village on an iPhone so it wasn't a threat to consoles. The audience isn't the same. Having said that I believe that the steamdeck install base is overly vocal in steam reviews despite being a very small crowd so that may have some influence just to get better review scores there.
But my 7" also plugs into your 54". I can just play with my 7" or also have fun with your 54".
Maybe audiences get excited about that. Even then probably still going to make a $2k gpu for those who prefer a big tower.
Isn't 2k 1080p though? Unless you're talking about QHD (1440p).
