lastmessiah
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always has been.
Xbox has announced a multi-year agreement with AMD to co-engineer new silicon chips for the next-generation of Xbox consoles
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GHG
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How would steam games run though if it's not a windows PC?
Jinxed
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Except everyone else did
lastmessiah
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fix what? I seriously don't know what you're talking about.
HeisenbergFX4
Member
Outside of the red ring of death I have always thought their hardware was great
Their first party machine will be fine
Majima Everywhere System
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How were they developing the most powerful next generation console ever imagined without this agreement in place?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
They're co-developing new silicon chips for it with AMD, it's already far exceed what you'd classify as 'lazy attempt' by simply slapping an Xbox sticker on pre-built iBUYPOWER PC's and call it a day.
ChorizoPicozo
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that's true.(except for the first half of the 360 Gen maybe)
bitbydeath
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It won't run Xbox apps natively.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
HeisenbergFX4
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Athletes announce new contracts all the time but all the while still playing the game up until then.
People seem to be confusing this announcement as they just now decided to work together again, furthest from the truth
bender
What time is it?
The problem is that the Xbox has fucked up even more this generation. They've lost market share in their strongest territories and continue to make no inroads in their weaker markets, they are quickly losing retail presence thanks to abandoning physical media, and as great of a service as Game Pass is, the user base has plateaued and has been taught not to purchase games which has eroded publisher confidence in their hardware. They've committed to keeping Call of Duty multi-platform and it's not likely Microsoft will allow the gaming division to reverse course on their studio games being multi-platform. And if this isn't a traditional walled garden, it would be next to impossible to subsidize it.
lastmessiah
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it would be trivial to port 'xbox apps' to windows, if even necessary.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Kepler said the same thing earlier. I wonder what prompted them to reveal at this time and why not just a week ago at their keynote stream, along with the Rog announcement?
Why don't you think so?
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Bernardougf
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Oh I agree wholeheartedly... but its interesting to think about what the fuck they are trying to achieve here.
DavidGzz
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Amazing that people want zero competition so that Sony can release one game a year while having record earnings. Not saying Xbox is much competition, but absolutely zero? Come on.
ChorizoPicozo
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well, im not really taking about the machine.
I'm talking about MS capitalizing (or trying to) capitalize on windows position on the market to somehow take on PlayStation AND Steam at the same time using the Xbox a brand.
Bry0
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Semi custom Medusa halo, windows kernel, and Xbox dev branch will be deprecated so devs only need to compile for win32 with with "Xbox/handheld" graphics profile and the usual menus if you load it up on any other pc. Bc support ported to windows since it was mostly done with virtualization anyway.
Remember that rumor about win32 being the "preferred" development environment going forward? Old Xbox os is dead and we don't need it anymore anyway.
This is de way.
Remember that rumor about win32 being the "preferred" development environment going forward? Old Xbox os is dead and we don't need it anymore anyway.
This is de way.
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Geometric-Crusher
"Nintendo games are like indies, and worth at most $19" 🤡
I end my participation by saying the following: this new Xbox is a xino, it's out of place and doesn't seek the traditional Xbox consumer, I am pessimistic and I will definitely not buy it. But I'm happy for those who liked the proposal, freedom of decision is individual.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
GHG
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Considering the dependencies that get installed in the background when launching most steam games it will very much need to be windows.
What will be interesting to see is whether or not they allow users to boot in to or access the regular desktop at all.
lastmessiah
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it's also amazing that people are pretending Nintendo isn't competition, even after thoroughly destroying Sony in Japan.
bitbydeath
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They're not porting, they're aiming to run everything through emulation.
DavidGzz
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Maybe one day when they have most of the same games. Will that happen with Switch 2? Idk.
lastmessiah
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you don't need the same games to be a competitor. If that were true then the N64 wasn't competing with PlayStation either.
nial
Gold Member
A $1000 Windows console is not 'competition', this is purely aimed at their stubborn fanbase refusing to make the jump to any of the actual healthy ecosystems. A mass-market device this is not.
ChorizoPicozo
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im not talking about the hardware, im taking about using windows (with the Xbox sticker) to compete against Steam and Playstation at the same time.They're co-developing new silicon chips for it with AMD, it's already far exceed what you'd classify as 'lazy attempt' by simply slapping an Xbox sticker on pre-built iBUYPOWER PC's and call it a day.
MS is using the Xbox brand just because that's their gaming brand not because they believe in their identity or "prestige".
DeltaPolarBear
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Many people already tried, the 3rd party Xbox emulator still doesn't work very well.
And with the latest news it suggests that Xbox decided they needed at least SOME custom silicon in order to maintain compatibility. And more importantly legal ramifications for gaming licenses that are NOT "Play Anywhere". It just would have major influence on the final price of the machine.
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DavidGzz
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Ok, so we can also include mobile phone gaming as competition. It's true, but I don't acknowledge that either.
Topher
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We see dependencies installed with Steam all the time so yeah, definitely all happening in the background. I'm thinking if they want to maintain the integrity of the console then Windows will be no more accessible than it is now, which means no desktop.
What I want to know is are they really going to allow the entirety of Steam run on that thing? Steam doesn't have the controls Microsoft does. Seems like a security nightmare for a walled garden.
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ZehDon
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Good point, worth considering. Something around 75% of all video game sales are digital today, so store presence is already a question mark for next generation - especially if the machines ship with physical drives as optional accessories. The writing's been on the wall for a while. The key question for me is hardware delivery. With an iPhone, all purchases are digital, but people still go into a store to buy their phone. I bought my XSX directly from Microsoft, but I suspect I'm in the minority. If the only thing stores are selling for next gen are the hardware - a one time purchase with a hardware gap of some seven years till the next iteration - how many will actually stock these devices?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I don't even know how to answer this, Sony and Nintendo also use their respective brands because it's their gaming brands, they all want money, business etc over prestige.
lastmessiah
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what difference does it make? If they call it Xbox or Windows Gaming it doesn't change anything about the tech.
bender
What time is it?
The lazy answer is some combination of software as a service and throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks. Game Pass stagnating at 25-36M subscribers (11 million of those coming from Gold being rebranded) fell well short of their goals and did a lot of damage to the Xbox brand. Then you have the news of a cancelled handheld, a collaboration with ASUS on an Xbox branded ROG, rumors of a hybrid solution that will allow you to run other store fronts, and whatever this announcement is today. It all feels like some cruel rewrite of Old Yeller where Travis couldn't go through with shooting Old Yeller and locked him in a kennel for his fan days instead.
DavidGzz
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Hasn't even been revealed yet let alone the price. And it is for me if the rumors are true, an all in one device. They will call it Xbox One Two.
DeltaPolarBear
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But that is what we are discussing here. The differences.
If it is just a PC with an Xbox sticker, then it can only run Play Anywhere Xbox games.
If it instead had a mini-Series S squeezed into the PC, then it can still run most Xbox games but would add more costs on top of the basic PC.
The difference is that Xbox costumers would prefer option 2, but they might not like the price tag.
ChorizoPicozo
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their brands are market leaders. Xbox is not. but what is Microsoft going to do, create a new gaming brand from scratch?. nah. Windows in itself is not really associated with gaming (that's Steam) but now, they will push hard in this respect (just using Xbox as a sticker)
Gamer_By_Proxy
About to beat off
I don't see this doing well. It's basically Alienware at this point. Media pc that can't take a loss since it'll be open to other stores.
I'm sure it'll do better than past media pc attempts though. The Xbox faithful will be on board.
I'm sure it'll do better than past media pc attempts though. The Xbox faithful will be on board.
lastmessiah
Member
We are getting into 'distinction without a difference' territory here. There is no way that whatever they release won't be backwards compatible with Xbox games.
nial
Gold Member
Microsoft is 100% NOT going to subsidize a product that can play software from third-party stores where they get zero revenue from.
Also, remember the $500 Xbox Series X being sold at a $200 loss?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Ok. Not sure if I see it as a net negative the way you are. MS focusing into Windows for gaming is only gonna be beneficial for all gamers on that platform. The gaming-specific improvements they're rolling out to Win 11 for Xbox Ally this year are going to roll into all Windows based gaming handhelds shortly after and anything they do to minimize Windows's footprint for improving gaming on the desktop side will benefit Steam/GoG/EGS users as well.
They might as well use the Xbox brand to make their presence bigger in the PC sphere.
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ChorizoPicozo
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im just pointing out that what's been pushing out is Windows not Xbox. (Xbox is just the facade).
in terms of what's difference? well, the entire philosophy of close vs open platforms/ecosystems.
SportsFan581
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I think AMD offers far better deals on custom chips than anyone else, so, can't say I'm surprised. The de facto standard option.
DavidGzz
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Sony doesn't either. Last I read the Playstation costs $450 to make while selling for $500. If it's more expensive, it will be more powerful. Another reason to choose it especially if you're patient and can wait for the Playstation exclusives to come to Steam.
Gamer_By_Proxy
About to beat off
Get with the times man! French Canadian milk bag holders are an Xbox.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
nial
Gold Member
Ok, R&D costs? distribution expenses? retail cuts? Bolded is exactly why Microsoft can't rely on software sales to offer an affordable price.
Sony was definitely selling the PS5 at a loss for several years, while relying on software and subscription revenue, something Microsoft will not be able to do with this machine, when people like you will buy everything on third-party storefronts like Steam.
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ChorizoPicozo
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as i said to the other poster. im not saying this is negative or positive. Im just pointing out that what's been pushing out is Windows and not Xbox (Xbox is facade).Ok. Not sure if I see it as a net negative the way you are. MS focusing into Windows for gaming is only gonna be beneficial for all gamers on that platform. The gaming-specific improvements they're rolling out to Win 11 for Xbox Ally this year are going to roll into all Windows based gaming handhelds shortly after and anything they do to minimize Windows's footprint for improving gaming on the desktop side will benefit Steam/GoG/EGS users as well.
They might as well use the Xbox brand to make their presence bigger in the PC sphere.
in terms of negative or positive. you are right, the best outcome hopefully out of this, is for Windows to become less bloated. i mean, that would be great. and also MS trying to compete with steam and Playstation theoretically will benefit all gamers, right?.
is there something negative with this move?.... maybe Playstation backtracking it's multiplatform push?. II think opening closed ecosystems will make things worse for everyone.
this is not a negative take, but more like a realistic analysis based on MS/Xbox's track record:
Does this move has a good chance for success?... nah.
rapid32.5
Member
How are they gonna sell GamePass and games if there's no hardware?
I'm pretty sure they will go beyond games with next box such as apps and services with Windows and AI embedded into the next gen.
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