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[onQ123]

To be clear every time they say Xbox they are not always talking about the console some times it's the platform & vice versa .

That might cause confusion but the even bigger point is that it doesn't matter because it's all Xbox.

Making Xbox such a big thing that others will want their devices to also be an Xbox is the goal.

 

[MrTired]

I vaguely remember something along those lines but Phil especially has never wavered in keeping Xbox alive.

Even when some ex employees have taken shots at Xbox because they got cut out of the gaming industry there was not a hint Xbox was stopping hardware

Said ex employees no longer get valuable intel from them and they have an axe to grind btw

Sorry side rant

Leave Mike Ybarra alone *Britney Spears fan gif*

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

What are you actually saying here. How do you know its not next gen? of course it is next gen. If its the next Xbox its next Gen. Standard Hardware? what are you actually talking about?

2026 is not enough time to get any advancements out. This is not year 2000, we don't get tech advancements like that anymore. 1000 dollars is assuming it is just current gen hardware.
If you want cutting edge hardware for the Hybrid, $2000+ is not strange. No way you get cutting edge PC hardware for $1000 with room for profit AND Series S components.

Looks like i might be hurting people's fantasies. Fair enough, i will let you dream for a little while longer. But you have been warned.

 

[DenchDeckard]

2026 is not enough time to get any advancements out. This is not year 2000, we don't get tech advancements like that anymore. 1000 dollars is assuming it is just current gen hardware.
If you want cutting edge hardware for the Hybrid, $2000+ is not strange. No way you get cutting edge PC hardware for $1000 with room for profit AND Series S components.

Looks like i might be hurting people's fantasies. Fair enough, i will let you dream for a little while longer. But you have been warned.

New tech launches every single year, you are not talking any form of reality here.

 

[Topher]

They could lock access to Steam/3rd party stores behind a Gamepass subscription.

Or they could make online free across the board

It's become a huge circle jerk. Like a hive mind where people pile in.

Eh.....seems like a good discussion to me. Some folks like it, some not. Some are on the fence. Either way, nothing here is a hive mind my man.

 

[KeplerL2]

Or they could make online free across the board

Sure, but then they have to raise the price of the console even more to make up for that revenue loss.

 

[Urban]

Hm thinking about it. Heisenberg did mention that the next XBox is closer than we think. End of 26 Maybe ?

 

[RoboFu]

It's not a pc and I bet it won't even play steam. It will just be a normal Xbox console.

you guys were wrong about the switch 2 performance being less than a ps4 and now you were wrong about the next Xbox console. It's happens sometimes just take the L.

 

[hinch7]

Hm thinking about it. Heisenberg did mention that the next XBox is closer than we think. End of 26 Maybe ?

Any later and it'll clash with PS6's/PSP next launch and that would REALLY be a bloodbath for Xbox. Needs to be next year imo or at the very least Q1, 2027.

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

New tech launches every single year, you are not talking any form of reality here.

PS2 by certain metrics is 200 times faster than PS1. That kind of major tech movements is gone. It is no longer easy to upgrade to something that is cheaper, faster AND use less energy. i was there from the 80's, I saw how things sped up, and I saw how things slow down. The reality is that people are pissed off at PS5Pro and Switch2 not being cheaper, because they were used to these things priced the same as their predecessors at launch. Because it WAS cheaper to upgrade back then. Moores law is stuck at the atomic level now, we can't shrink things down any further. We are still getting some extra power but at the cost of powerdraw AND higher cost. This is the reality we are facing today.

 

[bitbydeath]

It's not a pc and I bet it won't even play steam. It will just be a normal Xbox console.

you guys were wrong about the switch 2 performance being less than a ps4 and now you were wrong about the next Xbox console. It's happens sometimes just take the L.

Sarah says in the video it's going to use Windows and there will be multiple store fronts...

 

[FireFly]

So, it seems the Xbox optimists are interpreting this as just "the next Xbox is coming and it is going to knock PS6pro out of the water yeah!"

Well, you go you. But I don't see this as next gen at all. I see it as simply a hybrid that Xbox can release to keep the old library going until the interest dies. And the PC half of the hybrid would definitely be more expensive than any console gamer is used to while not being that powerful. And $1000 is the minimum price for this thing. Good luck.

Why does it need to be a "hybrid"? If Microsoft wanted, I don't see why they couldn't release a version of Windows for the existing Series X.

Edit: To clarify, I mean from a hardware perspective. Obviously it could be considered a hybrid in the sense that would also be able to run PC games.

 

[Punished Miku]

Sure, but then they have to raise the price of the console even more to make up for that revenue loss.

Phil has publicly talked about hardware subsidy ending. Series consoles are already expensive now

 

[vaibhavpisal]

2026 is not enough time to get any advancements out. This is not year 2000, we don't get tech advancements like that anymore. 1000 dollars is assuming it is just current gen hardware.
If you want cutting edge hardware for the Hybrid, $2000+ is not strange. No way you get cutting edge PC hardware for $1000 with room for profit AND Series S components.

Looks like i might be hurting people's fantasies. Fair enough, i will let you dream for a little while longer. But you have been warned.

RDNA 5 is said to be coming fall 2026. Thats when this xbox is rumoured to come. Major overhaul of RT, AI upscaling, and likely rasterisation as well considering their current flagship only matches upto RTX 5070 Ti.

I wouldn't be surprised if this new xbox was path tracing capable.

AMD RDNA 5 To Be A Completely New GPU Architecture From The Ground Up, RDNA 4 Mostly Fixes RDNA 3 Issues & Improves Ray Tracing

AMD's next-generation RDNA 5 GPUs are going to be built from the ground up and will aim to be the "Zen" moment for the Radeon division.

wccftech.com

 

[Fafalada]

That doesn't sound like they're just gonna do xbox branded PC's

I tried listening attentively to that video and this was my takeaway...

They could lock access to Steam/3rd party stores behind a Gamepass subscription.

 

[Topher]

Sure, but then they have to raise the price of the console even more to make up for that revenue loss.

Or adjust the price of Game Pass. Removing paid online would be a way to differentiate Xbox from PlayStation in a positive way. Microsoft has to make some tough choices if they want to compete, I think.

 

[Mobilemofo]

What?

Cross out revolutionary, here's comes breakthrough... Not even they know what the fuck that means.p

 

[Allandor]

You got it all wrong, it's going to be the Xbox Series 2 : X

You mean Xbox Series Se(cond) x
Or "Special Edition x"

Now remove the bracket stuff


But yeah, the name scheme is a bit odd now more than ever. Maybe they just add an x or make it x²

 

[Topher]

you guys were wrong about the switch 2 performance being less than a ps4

Who the hell is "you guys"? Joke post?

 

[bitbydeath]

Sure, but then they have to raise the price of the console even more to make up for that revenue loss.

I wouldn't be surprised if cloud charges are the new online charges. Could put anything behind cloud, even BC.

 

[Mr.ODST]

I mean Xbox is an ecosystem, it could work in the future if they get it right, having a console experience that has all my PC storefronts would be a dream, they just have to make sure they keep the SKU's to a minimum in terms of owned hardware.

Xbox Next Gen (1 Sku)
Xbox ROG (2 Sku)
Cloud
Third Party (unlimited SKU)

 

[VolticArchangel]

But it's not Windows.

People are in for a rude awakening if they think Microsoft are gonna let them run or dual boot Windows on these new gen consoles, like what Sony did with the PS3 and Yellow Dog Linux (and abandoned later), just because you can sideload Steam and other stores now.

We can literally use multiple 3RD party services, right now, in the form of Nvidia Geforce Now being offered as an alternative to Xbox Cloud Gaming.

This is the same as that. The majority won't be using it.

 

[Darsxx82]

Or adjust the price of Game Pass. Removing paid online would be a way to differentiate Xbox from PlayStation in a positive way. Microsoft has to make some tough choices if they want to compete, I think.

Considering that (MS info) the big majority of XSeries users are also GamePass Ultimate subscribers... Perhaps by raising the GPU price you could almost offset the revenue from non-GamePass Ultimate users or GamePass Core users.

That said, this is one of the most interesting issues presented, along with what access to other third-party stores will look like.

 

[djjinx2]

Or they could make online free across the board



Eh.....seems like a good discussion to me. Some folks like it, some not. Some are on the fence. Either way, nothing here is a hive mind my man.

So you don't see made up shit about all the imaginary Xbox die hards here posted over and over again by the same people in every thread?

There is alot of good discussion in this thread as it's not a negative one.

Even still I highlighted some bullshit hot takes earlier in this very thread also

All tales from the ass

 

[vaibhavpisal]

There is alot of good discussion in this thread as it's not a negative one.

Even still I highlighted some bullshit hot takes earlier in this very thread also

Its a good discussion cause even xbox haters cannot stop admiring at whats it going to become.

They are in awe.

 

[Topher]

So you don't see made up shit about all the imaginary Xbox die hards here posted over and over again by the same people in every thread?

There is alot of good discussion in this thread as it's not a negative one.

Even still I highlighted some bullshit hot takes earlier in this very thread also

I'm not saying there aren't shit takes. That's always the case. Overall, the discussion is good though. Maybe I misunderstood what you were calling a "circle jerk" and "hive mind".

 

[Buggy Loop]

We hit $700 for a console (and +$80 if you want physical support) in 2024.

It's only gonna go up in 2026, 2027 for premium devices.

Don't forget the stand, how much was that, $70 for plastic?

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

Its a good discussion cause even xbox haters cannot stop admiring at whats it going to become.

They are in awe.

In the same way we were in awe of the launch PS3. Sony wished they never launched the bloody thing.

 

[twilo99]

2026 is not enough time to get any advancements out. This is not year 2000, we don't get tech advancements like that anymore. 1000 dollars is assuming it is just current gen hardware.
If you want cutting edge hardware for the Hybrid, $2000+ is not strange. No way you get cutting edge PC hardware for $1000 with room for profit AND Series S components.

Looks like i might be hurting people's fantasies. Fair enough, i will let you dream for a little while longer. But you have been warned.

Cutting edge technology and consoles simply don't go together to begin with.

Zen 2 CPU architecture and RDNA 1.5 in 2020 was cutting edge stuff? Not even close.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Don't forget the stand, how much was that, $70 for plastic?

Yup I paid $800 for my pro with a disc drive and a generic stand with a weak Zen 2 CPU and outside of Astro its been mostly a 3rd party game machine (which will change with Ghost of Yotei and really trying to decide if I want to hold off on DS2 until the PC version)

 

[SABRE220]

Good we need more competition for Sony even if Microsoft has been thrashed this gen. I can only hope they can make a comeback because I've seen what complacency does to Sony and it's not pretty.

 

[RoboFu]

Sarah says in the video it's going to use Windows and there will be multiple store fronts...

That's not what she said. She's talking about the different stores on the different platforms. " multiple stores on multiple devices " it's about play anywhere.

 

[Black_Stride]

But it's not Windows.

Are we to assume the OS doesnt run exes?
Whats to stop someone installing their own exes if it does?

If it doesnt run exes, then will all Steam/GOG/EGS games now have xex, versions of the whole library??

 

[roosnam1980]

isnt this an old agreement that took place before launch of series x/s consoles?

 

[DenchDeckard]

PS2 by certain metrics is 200 times faster than PS1. That kind of major tech movements is gone. It is no longer easy to upgrade to something that is cheaper, faster AND use less energy. i was there from the 80's, I saw how things sped up, and I saw how things slow down. The reality is that people are pissed off at PS5Pro and Switch2 not being cheaper, because they were used to these things priced the same as their predecessors at launch. Because it WAS cheaper to upgrade back then. Moores law is stuck at the atomic level now, we can't shrink things down any further. We are still getting some extra power but at the cost of powerdraw AND higher cost. This is the reality we are facing today.

And like you said, every device suffers from this. A console launching in 2026 isnt going to be drastically different than a console launching in 2027. So, what warrants next gen to you?

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

isnt this an old agreement that took place before launch of series x/s consoles?

Likely an extension of an agreement they have had in place for years would be my guess

 

[KeplerL2]

Are we to assume the OS doesnt run exes?
Whats to stop someone installing their own exes if it does?

If it doesnt run exes, then will all Steam/GOG/EGS games now have xex, versions of the whole library??

Zero chance MSFT let's you run any .exe, that would lead to so many problems from piracy, pissing off Nintendo with emulation, cheating in online games, security issues, etc.

 

[REDRZA MWS]

Yessssss!!!!!!!

Time and time again history shows us competition is necessary. Hate on Xbox or MS all you want, but that are making really smart business moves putting their games on other platforms , including obviously their own which are on Xbox PC too.

I'm a gamer man, if MS makes a really powerful machine, and their acquisitions already a year old, may, just maybe Xbox will get back to its roots.

Btw, it's the one company hellbsmt on preserving BC. Competition is always good.

 

[digoutyoursoul]

Zero enthusiasm for this considering the people behind it and what has happened over the years.

It's interesting timing when Series X should really be in its stride and have the software to match . You look at the showcase and there is still games we have barely any footage of or at all (Contraband, Everwild) and yet again they talk about hardware.

With respect to fellow fans, I don't know how people can be willing to give more of their money to these products when you look at the management and all the crap that's gone on.

Where is the competition when their software is available on all the major platforms anyway.

 

[Topher]

Don't forget the stand, how much was that, $70 for plastic?

$30 and isn't required

 

[Black_Stride]

Zero chance MSFT let's you run any .exe, that would lead to so many problems from piracy, pissing off Nintendo with emulation, cheating in online games, security issues, etc.

I mean they could try lock exes.
But if the other storefronts are welcome, wont the games launched from them be exes or am I missing part of the puzzle???

 

[winjer]

Ugh

AMD

Don't get me wrong, fine choice but again this will be a flailing fight with nearly identical chipsets that require DF to zoom 1000% to see a difference. Boring.

I miss the old days where hardware had some flavour to gain an advantage or just different processing philosophy.

I understand the appeal of esoteric hardware, but games are way too complex to have multiple consoles with different architectures.
We can't afford to have teams of programmers coding to metal for each console. Neither in cost, nor time.
The advantage of having the same architecture in consoles and PC, especially for the CPU, is that it drastically reduces costs and time of development.
Devs can just use the same engines, tools, compilers, etc.
Even the Switch is using ARM and Nvidia arch. So it can use ARM tools and compilers, CUDA, etc.

 

[bitbydeath]

That's not what she said. She's talking about the different stores on the different platforms. " multiple stores on multiple devices " it's about play anywhere.

You misheard it.

"This is all about building a gaming platform that's always with you, so you can play the games you want across devices anywhere you want — delivering you an Xbox experience not locked to a single store or tied to one device," says Bond. "That's why we're working closely with the Windows team to ensure that Windows is the number one platform for gaming."

Microsoft’s next-gen Xbox has an AMD chip inside and is ‘not locked to a single store’

The next Xbox will be a lot different.

www.theverge.com

 

[RoboFu]

You misheard it.

Microsoft’s next-gen Xbox has an AMD chip inside and is ‘not locked to a single store’

The next Xbox will be a lot different.

www.theverge.com

Yes that's play anywhere not a pc console.

 

[Punished Miku]

Yes that's play anywhere not a pc console.

PA is only on the MS Store. Talking about other stores means Epic, Steam, GOG. That's not PA, that's open store.

 

[Astray]

They could lock access to Steam/3rd party stores behind a Gamepass subscription.

Would be a spectacular own goal if this occurs.

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

And like you said, every device suffers from this. A console launching in 2026 isnt going to be drastically different than a console launching in 2027. So, what warrants next gen to you?

Next gen is when games are made for it. And Xbox would not be making games that take advantage of it at launch, thus it is not next gen. There is no time at all to make a game and launch it in 2026. Not in this economy.

 

[djjinx2]

Yessssss!!!!!!!

Time and time again history shows us competition is necessary. Hate on Xbox or MS all you want, but that are making really smart business moves putting their games on other platforms , including obviously their own which are on Xbox PC too.

I'm a gamer man, if MS makes a really powerful machine, and their acquisitions already a year old, may, just maybe Xbox will get back to its roots.

Btw, it's the one company hellbsmt on preserving BC. Competition is always good.

Competition is always good, Xbox is wounded but at least fighting. Time will tell wether it's mortally wounded.

Another gen seems definite.

If Xbox can bring handhelds and Consoles and PCs with the same dashboard and access to other game libraries to all these, it will be a decent proposition for existing owners.

With so many digital libraries built already attracting people as a second console even will be a tough sell given the prices of hardware.

I can't wait to see what they have to show at least.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Next gen is when games are made for it. And Xbox would not be making games that take advantage of it at launch, thus it is not next gen. There is no time at all to make a game and launch it in 2026. Not in this economy.

What do you mean? So would a PS6 be next gen to you, even with cross gen games for probably 3 to 4 years?

 

[clappedcheeks]

So, basically they are not interested in the best place to play the game. Which is fine. If they want to wait for the PS6 version....Its just like waiting for the PC version.

We don't all buy multiple systems that play largely the same games and some of us didn't go down the pro route for this or the previous gen. Anybody that plays on a pro on the current release date will get to play the best version of GTA6. When the new Xbox releases it'll be on that machine. Congratulations you get a win but your new Xbox is not going to suddenly get more performant when a pc build is released so you'll have to lay down some cash on a pc with a better spec than what you get with the 2026 Xbox.