Charlie Kirk assassinated at Utah campus event

I remember back in about 2016 when the Punch a Nazi thing picked up steam. I talked to a friend about how I didn't like it because it created a slippy slope of the definition of Nazi. As we're well into 2025 we now know that Nazi == Person I'm not too keen on.

Hate speech goes the same way. In principle the words are fine and we all have an idea of what something hateful sounds like, but then we hop on that slippery slope of redefining the word hate.

Laws need to be strongly defined, it helps people understand what they are and if they're being correctly enforced.

Hate being based on self-determined values does not work.
They did this to Elon Musk too, literally called him a Nazi. People were instantly radicalized into burning Teslas and shooting up the dealerships. If it weren't for the fact that Elon was already a well known billionaire and had very good private security, they probably would have tried to assassinate him too

There is a very serious problem in this country right now and it's coming entirely from one side
 
Last edited:
more and more level headed people have divorced themselves from the "left" as time goes on and this will only continue and the radicalization of the "left" will only increase. Very bad times ahead.
 
it has been made official the original man arrested was not the shooter, the university also released (alongside the videos that hit social media) the detail that the shooter was confirmed from the rooftop, and the FBI has since announced the rooftop shooter is apparently in custody
And subsequently announced they have released that fellow - perhaps they had not captured the fellow on the roof after all.

 
I've debating trying to analyse the impact versus the sound of the report but with just cell phone video/audio and over twitter, too hard to make any kind of determination. And for 100 meters or so I'm not sure the difference is discernable anyway, it's like 0.3 seconds.

For someone to hit him with a pistol from that crowd would be a damned good shot. Maybe just (un)lucky. Charlie was leaning back and forth a lot as well, this shows just how close Trump came to the same fate, that cruel cruel mistress.
But someone definitely didn't run up to the front of the crowd, fire a shot, and run away? I assume someone would have seen and tackled someone, but like I said before, I didn't watch any video so I'm unsure of the layout of the crowd and whether or not someone could do that and then escape away during the confusion and chaos.
 
But someone definitely didn't run up to the front of the crowd, fire a shot, and run away? I assume someone would have seen and tackled someone, but like I said before, I didn't watch any video so I'm unsure of the layout of the crowd and whether or not someone could do that and then escape away during the confusion and chaos.
From my understanding, the University itself has claimed to have some footage (yet to be released..?) that verifies the shot originated from the top of a particular building - this is the graphic that was released related to that information (Edit: I should instead say, this is the graphic that is circulating on some news sites in relation to that information, not sure of the actual origin).

96b028f3_jpg_92.jpg
 
Last edited:
Man, that's fucked up. Like really fucked up. I live in central Europe, far from the US, but Charlie was one of the good ones out there. At only 31 years old, shot for having an opinion. Shot for being brave and firm enough in his beliefs to debate a college campus. That's a sour pill to swallow, I really liked him and his opinions as he could almost always back them up with evidence.

That's the 46th school shooting in america this year. So 5 a month basically.

America, it's a 3rd world country wearing a gucci belt.

RIP

I wonder who's the next assassination target for having an opinion. Shapiro? Crowder? Walsh? The world's sickening…
 
Last edited:
it has been made official the original man arrested was not the shooter, the university also released (alongside the videos that hit social media) the detail that the shooter was confirmed from the rooftop, and the FBI has since announced the rooftop shooter is apparently in custody
Wasn't the old guy telling people to shoot him? Such a weird person.
 
Bro got shot for freedom of speech that's fucked.
He was likely shot because someone was probably mentally ill, had access to a gun and couldn't handle what he was saying. Or maybe just a butthurt simp. I hope we do find out more about the coward killer him.

I'm also curious how this killing will be seen in a few months. Like, is it hot news for only a day or two, or a huge talking point for years to come? I think the thing that baffles my simple mind is why this killing is so political. I always thought of him as a religious guy that liked to talk down to stupid college kids that took one course and think they knew everything.
 
I personally don't care if people pray or not. Could this be because he wasn't an elected official? I guess I never thought about what he was. A YouTuber? Maybe there was some disdain for that by some?
That's why I was saying politicians have no decency. I know you said it's not definitely yet, but it's safe to assume he was assassinated because of politics. The congress members could at least show condolences, even if you have opposite opinions of his.

If the house floor policy doesn't allow that, they could've just said it's inappropriate, instead they yelled and meltdown.
 
Well if it was fired from a rooftop, this was definitely planned to some degree. This wasn't someone hearing he was showing up today and just showing up with a gun and deciding to take a shot. You need to know vantage points, know how to access them, be trained with a distance shot, etc.
 
I believe shootings wouldn't be an issue in America if mental health was cheap and accessible, but that's hard to find it anywhere honestly.
the thing with guns is that when they are part of the equation, they rise the probably of something happening where a gun is involved... i mean, it's logical.

the thing with the mental issue is "tricky" to put it slightly, but it really is more of a copout..

No one thinking clearly would kill someone, right? from a burst of violence due to a conflict or confrontation (internally or externally) to someone planning methodically to commit murder....i think both extremes display an individual with mental issues.

But given owning guns is a very American culture thing.... well, of course you can't banned them, but certainly you shouldn't be able to buy them like candy either.
 
Probably need to wait at least a few days on who the killer is. If that's true about the bullet bouncing off charlie's vest, that is wild. Like dying from your seatbelt in a car accident

Ricocheting into his head would explain the amount of blood. It's under pressure.
 
Last edited:
And the 2nd amendment was written when we had muskets which, at best, could fire three shots a minute.

Don't you think things should change when you can have rifles firing substantially more than that?
Sure, just get a constitutional convention or have the Senate pass it to be ratified by 3/4s of the states. There IS a process and we have done it at times in the past for really important issues concerning the majority of citizens (and sometimes not aka the eighteenth amendment).

If someone could make a amendment that locked in pump/bolt/cylinder action weapons as "forever free" and just the semi- and full-auto stuff to be managed by each state, with STRONG guarantees about eligibility and the process for denial (and appeals of denial) to then have access to ALL MILITARY MAN PORTABLE WEAPONS, including belt fed automatics, suppressors, all the goodies, you could probably pass it.

But quite frankly the trust in the government to have ANY respect for "the common man" is so damned low I don't think anyone would buy it. Plus whatever the amendment was would get so saddled with extra shit it would be poison pilled by both sides.

If the ATF were in the business of actually collecting tax revenue on the F part of ATF then you could probably tax semi-auto mag fed guns out of general circulation, at least maybe before the late 1990s and the overwhelming proliferation of the AR-15, one of which is now in the hands of probably 10% of the US population. But rifles are hardly the problem, almost all use of them eventually leads back to some nutjob with all sorts of red flags the police/feds were just prohibited from acting on. I suspect that will be the case with Kirk's killer as well. Get the crazies out of circulation and long arm mass violence will mostly go away.

And the shooter here may have used a hunting rifle, as there was, I believe, just the one shot. So quite frankly any discussion of volley fire capability is totally irrelevant.
 
Man, that's fucked up. Like really fucked up. I live in central Europe, far from the US, but Charlie was one of the good ones out there. At only 31 years old, shot for having an opinion. Shot for being brave and firm enough in his beliefs to debate a college campus. That's a sour pill to swallow, I really liked him and his opinions as he could almost always back them up with evidence.

That's the 46th school shooting in america this year. So 5 a month basically.

America, it's a 3rd world country wearing a gucci belt.

RIP

I wonder who's the next assassination target for having an opinion. Shapiro? Crowder? Walsh? The world's sickening…
One of the good ones? Are you fucking kidding me? You guys live in some kind of reality distortion field. Guy got shot while trying to convince someone that trans people were the cause of mass shootings.
 
Last edited:
But someone definitely didn't run up to the front of the crowd, fire a shot, and run away? I assume someone would have seen and tackled someone, but like I said before, I didn't watch any video so I'm unsure of the layout of the crowd and whether or not someone could do that and then escape away during the confusion and chaos.
Maybe. But I don't want to watch those videos anymore to analyze impact and trajectory, TBH. I did like that kinda work before, but I don't like it now.
 
Well if it was fired from a rooftop, this was definitely planned to some degree. This wasn't someone hearing he was showing up today and just showing up with a gun and deciding to take a shot. You need to know vantage points, know how to access them, be trained with a distance shot, etc.
He climbed a rooftop and shot him with a sniper rifle from 400 feet; I think it's safe to say it was premeditated.
 
Quite measured from President Trump.

Hopefully in the days ahead we will hear about how his administration is going to start treating the epidemic of left wing violence like the terrorism that it is.
 
What happened in Minnesota? Or is the world pretending only one side is evil?

What happened in Minnesota wasn't good. The main difference I see with these, at least in my observation:

Minnesota: People were trying to figure out how to blame one side or the other. Not much condoning, just trying to escape blame from "Their side"

Incidents like this and the Trump attempt: Thousands of people on the purple forum, bluesky, X, reddit, etc. praising the violence.

It's more the glorification and romanticism of violence in these scenarios that disturbs me.
 
it has been made official the original man arrested was not the shooter, the university also released (alongside the videos that hit social media) the detail that the shooter was confirmed from the rooftop, and the FBI has since announced the rooftop shooter is apparently in custody

This is really strange. There is a video of that guy looking totally unhinged screaming "Shoot me! Shoot me!"



 
Last edited:
Whoever did this is a massive coward and a fucking piece of shit.

I didn't agree with Charlie on a lot of things but disagreeing with someone is not an excuse enough to do something like this.

Killing Charlie may silence him but it will not silence his supporters it will make them louder. This vile piece of shit didn't kill a monster they killed a father and a husband.

RIP Charlie. I don't believe in the afterlife but if it is real I hope you're able to watch over your daughter's and wife.
 
Last edited:
One of the good ones? Are you fucking kidding me? You guys live in some kind of reality distortion field. Guy got shot while trying to convince someone that trans people were the cause of mass shootings.
He was?


Trans people lost the argument of being normal when one of them walked into a school and shot killed a bunch of kids. They're freaks and they need to be locked up in a mental health hospital or in a prison.
Just what this thread needs, more sweeping generalisations
 
Last edited:
They did this to Elon Musk too, literally called him a Nazi. People were instantly radicalized into burning Teslas and shooting up the dealerships. If it weren't for the fact that Elon was already a well known billionaire and had very good private security, they probably would have tried to assassinate him too

There is a very serious problem in this country right now and it's coming entirely from one side
Stop with this garbage. If you want to spread your toxic narrative once there is confirmation that the shooter is some leftist extremist, sure, but if it turns out it's not, we all know you'll never reverse course which is why nobody can take you seriously. You'll just stay silent until the next opportunity comes up for you to spread hateful shit
 
Last edited:
I hate to say it, but, this is the value of religion in schools. I say this as an Atheist in the sense that I do not believe in a sky daddy but admits they are unsure of the origins of the universe but has read hundreds of religious scriptures, philosophy, and metaphysics books.


See: Plato's myth of metals or the noble lie. The idea of intentionally using mythology to provide social order / programming the masses is thousands of years old and somehow we "modern people" turn our nose up at it — completely missing the point.

The removal of discussion and study of religious texts (all should be studied imo — not one) was the removal of the most accessible way for the masses to engage in the topics of philosophy and metaphysics from an early age simply because we are too immature as a whole to practice discernment.

As someone who thought these things were so silly and troll someone who said what I just have above, I cannot help but feel I played my part in creating this wave of technologically fueled nihilism that has entered the world in the post dot com age, and weep.
 
One of the good ones? Are you fucking kidding me? You guys live in some kind of reality distortion field. Guy got shot while trying to convince someone that trans people were the cause of mass shootings.
You sure? Because as far as I know, guy couldn't finish his argument because something in his throat distracted him a little.
 
This is really strange. There is a video of that guy looking totally unhinged screaming "Shoot me! Shoot me!"




He was just pissed off. Cops were handling him and people were shaming him.

People in the crowd initially said nasty stuff to JFK's wife because they thought she did it.
 
Last edited:
I hate to say it, but, this is the value of religion in schools. I say this as an Atheist in the sense that I do not believe in a sky daddy but admits they are unsure of the origins of the universe but has read hundreds of religious scriptures, philosophy, and metaphysics books.


See: Plato's myth of metals or the noble lie. The idea of intentionally using mythology to provide social order / programming the masses is thousands of years old and somehow we "modern people" turn our nose up at it — completely missing the point.

The removal of discussion and study of religious texts (all should be studied imo — not one) was the removal of the most accessible way for the masses to engage in the topics of philosophy and metaphysics from an early age simply because we are too immature as a whole to practice discernment.

As someone who thought these things were so silly and troll someone who said what I just have above, I cannot help but feel I played my part in creating this wave of technologically fueled nihilism that has entered the world in the post dot com age, and weep.

If you read plato you should know once you leave the cave, there's no going back -- you can never unsee the truth.
 
Stop with this garbage. If you want to spread your toxic narrative once there is confirmation that the shooter is some leftist extremist, sure, but if it turns out it's not, we all know you'll never reverse course which is why nobody can take you seriously. You'll just stay silent until the next opportunity comes up for you to spread hateful shit
But what he said about Elon was true. And there's what? A ~99.99% chance this will be a radicalised left wing shooter? Who are you thinking it could be?

This isn't a one-sided issue
It is overwhelmingly one-sided.
 
Trans people lost the argument of being normal when one of them walked into a school and shot killed a bunch of kids. They're freaks and they need to be locked up in a mental health hospital or in a prison.
Oh boy, that logic is the most slippery slope in the history of mankind... We straight men are fucked.

Anyway, I didn't like Kirk. But he and his family definitely didn't deserve this shit. It's fucked up reprehensible. I condemn it to the max.
 
Last edited:
Top Bottom