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[ProtoByte]

The commentary in the tweet is bad, but so is his claim that "lower crime in the 1940s" is somehow reflecting that was a better era for black people.

I already posted a source for that second point, which goes into great detail on the topic. How many of them do you need? Half a dozen?

I watched that full Jubilee slop installment, much to my embarrassment. Kirk showed himself to be reasonable and well mannered despite it.

The segment that you've pulled a very convenient clip from is a conversation about the black American community's socioeconomic reality throughout the 20th century up until now - accounting for billions/trillions of dollars spent in all sorts of initiatives and social welfare plans meant to ameliorate the problem post Civil Rights Act, that's only made worse.

The spike in criminality primarily affects other blacks. People should care about anyone being victimized by crime, but it's also a fact that the self-sabotage of the demographic is a hinderance for everyone in it. Until there's enough maturity to really examine the reasons why it (and he does come up with an even handed diagnosis in the full vid, specifically, ones that do not have some kind of "race realist" bent, if you're wondering), it'll never get solved. You can't balk at statistical realities and expect to be taken seriously.

And again, if you honestly think that Charlie Kirk is extreme when it comes to issues like this, you're going to be blindsided by the personalities waiting in the wings on the fringes of the right.

 

[Draugoth]

Edit: He posted it himself a few minutes ago.

Figured it out why it looked like AI they used Morph Cutting from Adobe:



It was just insanely edited

They really need to teach critical thinking skills in school. People are so easily misled from short form social media content.

I'm afraid AI will just make things worse

There's multiple Sucker Punch devs liking the post. I'm not going to give money to people that hate me. Easy pass.

They should learn with manga artists and just stay silent and not talk about politics whatsoever, there's always people looking to what they write.

Not to derail the thread, but there's probably at least one staff member working on Ghost of Yotei who doesn't feel happy about this murder but is afraid to speak up or say anything (or maybe feels it isn't prudent). If you have any interest in the game, I say don't let one person's opinion/political views keep you from it.

Pretty sure most devs don't even want to get involved, there's always weirdos and assholes in every single team who want to be vocal.

 

[crazepharmacist]

The civil rights act banned racial discrimination in employment, provided protection to black voters (so they couldn't be killed in the process of going to the polls or disenfranchised) and stopped segregation on public property.

Do you think the message you quoted is a fair equivalence to the 1964 Civil Rights Act?




To be fair, he stated his position in that quote.

His criticism is that the Civil Rights Act ushered in a wave of DEI in modern times. I disagree that an employer should hire a less qualified black person on the basis of their color over a white person yet that is exactly what has been happening in recent times. The NASDAQ, under Biden, tried to implement a rule where boards of publicly listed companies had to have a certain amount of black, female, and LGBQT or face being delisted. That's discriminatory practice yet we saw it happen all the time under the guise of the Civil Rights Act.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

This is unexpectedly one of the most randomly moving things I've ever read. People forget the Vice President was the author of "Hillbilly Elegy" but you can see his talent as a writer here

I would imagine it took JD Vance a while to collect his thoughts and write this eulogy for his friend

 

[Basketball]

I saw a post on twitter that ringed true to me.

"You killed the one man that was willing to come to you peacefully and debate"

Charlie was the run of the mill conservative, you could have put him in 1985, 1996, 2004, 2012 and he would fit right in.

And they killed him for speaking and debates. He wasn't even some extremist or far far right Nazi Skinhead,

He never threatened anyone, never posted about killing politicians. Just crazy man.

And the brutality of that close up video. I wish I never saw it. Rest in Peace to Charlie Kirk

and condolences to his family and friends. Just a dark day in American history.

And people are celebrating all over the internet, tiktok, resetrashera, Reddit, Twitter, everywhere.

Just horrible.

 

[Beretta]

it's not hard to find clips of charlie being racist, sexist, or anti-semitic. i think most people just don't want to post it after he's been killed.

I've followed him on tik tok for quite a while and I don't recall seeing any videos that back up your claim.

I think too many people come to that conclusion because they hear something they don't like and need to label it as something other than what it is.

If you can post videos (and full ones with context) to back up your post, I'll gladly watch.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

there is a clip of someone what it looks like celebrating the moment and looking up at the direction of the shooter....

 

[Draugoth]

there is a clip of someone what it looks like celebrating the moment and looking up at the direction of the shooter....

Doesn't need a rocket scientist to figure that out, whoever did this clearly planned it for a long time. Now remains the question if he also covered up his digital tracking, most shooters leave manifestos and plenty of evidence.

 

[Hugare]

No, that wasn't what I said, but you are too fast on the keyboard to notice that I clearly mentioned there's a full video.

Context doesn't make it any better. He was openly against the civil rights movement and his point is black people were better off without it. Which is gross.

No matter how gross he was, assassinating someone during a public speech in a university will never, ever be justifiable. He wasnt a dictator from another country, ffs. If he commited a crime, arrest him. If not, he has the right to speak his mind.

And I would say the same if someone from the "left" was also assassinated. Things will escalonate more and more. 'Cause today people celebrate his death, and tomorrow there might be payback. And when it would ever end? When everyone is dead?

An american killing another american for disagreeing with him. How crazy is that.

People have been throwing the word "nazi" around, and they truly believe they can erradicate other civilians 'cause they are "just like nazis". Absolutely mental.

 

[Madonis]

I watched that full Jubilee slop installment, much to my embarrassment. Kirk showed himself to be reasonable and well mannered despite it.

The segment that you've pulled a very convenient clip from is a conversation about the black American community's socioeconomic reality throughout the 20th century up until now - accounting for billions/trillions of dollars spent in all sorts of initiatives and social welfare plans meant to ameliorate the problem post Civil Rights Act, that's only made worse.

The spike in criminality primarily affects other blacks. People should care about anyone being victimized by crime, but it's also a fact that the self-sabotage of the demographic is a hinderance for everyone in it. Until there's enough maturity to really examine the reasons why it (and he does come up with an even handed diagnosis in the full vid, specifically, ones that do not have some kind of "race realist" bent, if you're wondering), it'll never get solved. You can't balk at statistical realities and expect to be taken seriously.

And again, if you honestly think that Charlie Kirk is extreme when it comes to issues like this, you're going to be blindsided by the personalities waiting in the wings on the fringes of the right.

I respect that you went ahead and did that. You have more free time than me, I imagine.

Oh, I don't think he's the most extreme at all. He still had controversial opinions on multiple subjects and that was what someone wanted to know about.

His criticism is that the Civil Rights Act ushered in a wave of DEI in modern times. I disagree that an employer should hire a less qualified black person on the basis of their color over a white person yet that is exactly what has been happening in recent times. The NASDAQ, under Biden, tried to implement a rule where boards of publicly listed companies had to have a certain amount of black, female, and LGBQT or face being delisted. That's discriminatory practice yet we saw it happen all the time under the guise of the Civil Rights Act.

You see it from that angle, but in current times, people are frequently accusing someone of being a "DEI hire" for no other reason than their skin color.

What, a black man or woman is in an important position? Sure they are less qualified by default, because DEI was a thing! No need to give them any chances.

 

[ComputerBlue]

You're oversimplifying the issue. Kirk's broader 2A argument wasn't 'I don't care if people die.' It was that some level of violence is unfortunately inevitable in any society, but the right to bear arms is a safeguard against worse losses of liberty. Disagree, but pretending it's just gun lovers don't care about death, isn't engaging with what was actually said.

Also, it's not mental gymnastics to note that banning guns doesn't end violence, it just changes the method. It's more complicated than 'less guns = less gun related crime' because it is not the same as saying fewer guns means less crime overall. Here in the UK we have a knife crime epidemic. Violence finds another outlet.

I've always been relatively indifferent on the issue of guns or gun control, because I've lived in Canada my entire life where even when many guns were legal they were rare and most people just didn't have them, or have a need for them.

I remember going to Florida back in 2006 and going to a RadioShack and seeing guns for sale, we had RadioShack in Canada but they only sold electronics. I made a comment on it and the store clerk said every house you drive-by will have at least one gun if not several more, which was crazy to me because that simply wasn't the case where I was from. Over the years, I've seen our government ban different types of guns, to the point where the mass majority of Canadians don't own guns anymore. What I've also seen is a large increase in gun violence. Over the Labour Day weekend there were some home invasions in Southern Ontario, which has become pretty common. In one case a homeowner was executed in front of his children. The police chief then went on to say that if you're faced with an intruder, just comply.

No guns, yet criminals can get their hands on them no problem and we have no right to defend ourselves because we don't have a castle law. In this regard America is better.

 

[Dev1lXYZ]

Well, I won't be supporting Sucker Punch or The Coalition and after this. Celebrating the death of another human being who holds different political views than you do is just inexcusable. I didn't even like Charlie Kirk- in fact, I found his style a bit annoying and paid him zero attention. Reading some of the tweets posted here gave me a pretty good idea that he was a kind hearted individual that went out of his way to help others in need. I think of his wife and children who lost a husband and their father and to see others in celebration of it just doesn't sit well with me at all. People can be really shitty over nothing that affects their own lives sometimes. I'm not going to say they should be fired for it, but I'll vote with my wallet.

 

[Boss Mog]

Im not American and i dont know who this kirk is, but reading American comments in many forums, it seems like another left vs right situation

Can someone link to kirk's worst videos on his ideology? I like to learn how "good or bad" he is?

 

[Ozzie666]

This is insane. America is insane with their gun laws, or lack there of.

But I'm curious how the media is going to react and how many double standards they trip over. It shouldn't matter, but you know Charlie's outspoken political views, associations, his race are going to matter, which it shouldn't. But the media will for the most part down play this.

I fully expect he will be made out to be the bad guy and it will be spun as a justified take down.

I didn't know him much but saw his videos, the guy was a hell of a speaker and debater. He could really use common sense to shut down people and make them look like idiots. He must have pissed off a lot of people because he was so dam good. Obviously those videos are cherry picked, but still.

 

[Crm114]

Resetera are celebrating ofc. I shouldn't have looked

I took a peak too, they're fucken sick in the head

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Doesn't need a rocket scientist to figure that out, whoever did this clearly planned it for a long time. Now remains the question if he also covered up his digital tracking, most shooters leave manifestos and plenty of evidence.

well it depends.... a sicario doesn't make manifestos. But the possibility of this being orchestrated by a small group of people would make this thing way more terrifying.

 

[12Goblins]

wut

 

[3liteDragon]

They killed one of the few guys who tried to reason with them & even further radicalized an entire generation of young men, they'll regret it. In a proper country, Luigi, the animal who killed that young woman in NC & the assassin responsible for this would be publicly executed on live television.

The time for reasoning with these demons is over now, they need to be crushed.

 

[DragoonKain]

I'd venture to guess that most people who dislike him don't even follow him closely and 99% of their exposure to him is random short clips or posts on social media. I'm guilty of doing this too and it's something I'm working on myself to try to not analyze someone based on small samples. But the differences is I never wish for the death of others or declare others pieces of shit based on those small samples. I don't think you can truly get someone without lengthily following their work. For example, if you follow Jordan Peterson on social media he comes off as very unhinged. If you listen to his podcast he's very cordial and much different than he is on social media. A lot of people act much differently on social media than they are.

And even if it's a rare instance where a short clip doesn't misrepresent a person's views, who gives a fuck. Why should I or anyone else care what Charlie Kirk thought about the black population in America? It has no impact on my life whatsoever, or anyone's life frankly.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

I've always been relatively indifferent on the issue of guns or gun control, because I've lived in Canada my entire life where even when many guns were legal they were rare and most people just didn't have them, or have a need for them.

I remember going to Florida back in 2006 and going to a RadioShack and seeing guns for sale, we had RadioShack in Canada but they only sold electronics. I made a comment on it and the store clerk said every house you drive-by will have at least one gun if not several more, which was crazy to me because that simply wasn't the case where I was from. Over the years, I've seen our government ban different types of guns, to the point where the mass majority of Canadians don't own guns anymore. What I've also seen is a large increase in gun violence. Over the Labour Day weekend there were some home invasions in Southern Ontario, which has become pretty common. In one case a homeowner was executed in front of his children. The police chief then went on to say that if you're faced with an intruder, just comply.

No guns, yet criminals can get their hands on them no problem and we have no right to defend ourselves because we don't have a castle law. In this regard America is better.

This isn't really a thread for debate about gun control but the reality has always been that it's not about guns, it's about control

You see this in the UK, where first they banned guns, and they banned knives, and then they banned pepper spray. You are literally told in the UK to have a whistle on you and blow the whistle if you are attacked. What the fuck is that supposed to do, exactly?

You also saw it in Australia, where after a high profile mass shooting, they moved to ban all guns there. Most citizens were disarmed and the guns collected and destroyed. The criminals there switched to knives, and guess what, knives were banned too. I think pepper spray is still legal in Oz though so I guess they still have that

The point is, and the deranged leftists celebrating this video of Charlie Kirk saying he supports the 2nd amendment don't understand it, is that the 2nd amendment exists so the 1st amendment can be defended. You are seeing that in the UK, where the citizens are now so disarmed that they are helpless when rape gangs are allowed to run rampant nationwide and people get arrested for Tweets

And yes, criminals always find a way to get guns or other weapons, no matter what is banned for ordinary law abiding citizens. Because banning the weapons was never about stopping crime. It was about controlling the people. The assassin of Kirk today certainly wouldn't have been bothered by gun control laws, criminals already don't care about laws in the first place!

 

[12Goblins]

I've followed him on tik tok for quite a while and I don't recall seeing any videos that back up your claim.

I think too many people come to that conclusion because they hear something they don't like and need to label it as something other than what it is.

If you can post videos (and full ones with context) to back up your post, I'll gladly watch.

looking cracked out (or he got tourettes?) talking about how Haitian migrants are coming to take care over and become your masters if u dont vote Trump. this dude was balls deep in the culture war

 

[EviLore]

I'd venture to guess that most people who dislike him don't even follow him closely and 99% of their exposure to him is random short clips or posts on social media. I'm guilty of doing this too and it's something I'm working on myself to try to not analyze someone based on small samples. But the differences is I never wish for the death of others or declare others pieces of shit based on those small samples. I don't think you can truly get someone without lengthily following their work. For example, if you follow Jordan Peterson on social media he comes off as very unhinged. If you listen to his podcast he's very cordial and much different than he is on social media. A lot of people act much differently on social media than they are.

And even if it's a rare instance where a short clip doesn't misrepresent a person's views, who gives a fuck. Why should I or anyone else care what Charlie Kirk thought about the black population in America? It has no impact on my life whatsoever, or anyone's life frankly.

It's impossible to avoid generating sound bites that can make you look bad when you're willing to engage with any topic earnestly. I have some experience with that.

Hence why most people in the public eye speak very carefully, even though the way to build an audience is through truth and honesty.

 

[Musashipan]

They killed one of the few guys who tried to reason with them & even further radicalized an entire generation of young men, they'll regret it. In a proper country, Luigi, the animal who killed that young woman in NC & the assassin responsible for this would be publicly executed on live television.

The time for reasoning with these demons is over now, they need to be crushed.

My thoughts exactly. How do you deal with them? They are not humans, they are demons in disguise.They have no compassion, no morals, no soul. It's a battle between good and evil.

 

[Mortisfacio]

I find it amusing guys like Hasan are even bothering chiming in on this. He has a long history of advocating for violence against people he doesn't like, like Rick Scott. He should probably stay out of this ordeal since he's just as bad if not worse.

 

[3liteDragon]

My thoughts exactly. How do you deal with them? They are not humans, they are demons in disguise.They have no compassion, no morals, no soul. It's a battle between good and evil.

They killed the nice guy, they have no idea what's coming. They need to be put out of power for the next 100 years.

 

[EviLore]

 

[MayauMiao]

 

[MidGenRefresh]

As a father, I agree.

 

[3liteDragon]

Lotta lists need to be made.

 

[cyberheater]

BREAKING: Matthew Dowd has been FIRED from MSNBC

MSNBC’s Matthew Dowd Fired Following Charlie Kirk Shooting Comments

Kirk was shot and killed Wednesday on the campus of Utah Valley University.

www.hollywoodreporter.com

 

[3liteDragon]

BREAKING: Matthew Dowd has been FIRED from MSNBC

MSNBC’s Matthew Dowd Fired Following Charlie Kirk Shooting Comments

Kirk was shot and killed Wednesday on the campus of Utah Valley University.

www.hollywoodreporter.com

Not enough.

 

[LectureMaster]

 

[Neander]

I took a peak too, they're fucken sick in the head

That place is absolutely sickening.

 

[FullMetalx117]

I feel like all groups are collectively holding their breath hoping it's not one that is associated with them, to unleash their fury - right, left, black, immigrant. Feel like everyone secretly hoping it's a Muslim

 

[Leopold]

Purple forum going crazy over it, guess it fits considering the demographics.

 

[12Goblins]

I feel like all groups are collectively holding their breath hoping it's not one that is associated with them, to unleash their fury - right, left, black, immigrant. Feel like everyone secretly hoping it's a Muslim

Hispanics getting it bad. Whites having identity crisis. Blacks are like 'First Time?' Arabs been eating good. Wait, Nm.

 

[paolo11]

I took a peak too, they're fucken sick in the head

I pray these people who celebrate this kind of tragedy repent!!

 

[MrCunningham]

I don't have anything to say good or bad about this man, as I don't really know anything about him on a public level. I find left and right wing politics to be mind numbing at this point in time.

This man sees like someone who was pushing himself into a future Presidential candidate position. RIP.

 

[SCReuter]

Reading the ResetEra thread is seriously disturbing. These people are evil.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

 

[cyberheater]

Should be fired

 

[SkeeterPackage]

I definitely didn't agree with all of his views, but nobody deserves to go out like that.

Anyone celebrating this is subhuman.

 

[Gp1]

More tard devs who couldn't hide their glee



Kelly Snyder game credits

https://www.mobygames.com/person/874536/kelly-snyder/credits/

Let's say that her resume is only a little brightest than the shitty opinion.
But not much...

 

[MidGenRefresh]

24 pages.

I wish you smelly nerds put this much effort into calling Nintendo out for being shameless greedy corporate pigs so we could get quality Nintendo products again.

Seriously?

 

[Unknown Soldier]

 

[IDKFA]

Disgusting.

Not only trying to paint people on the right side of the aisle as fascist (a term that has lost all meaning these days), but openly calling for their violent deaths as well is obscene.

As mentioned in the tweet, it's even worse that this person is in a position to teach this hate to students. This person needs to be removed from their position at the very least.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

 

[FoxMcChief]

I like that.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

More tard devs who couldn't hide their glee



Kelly Snyder game credits

https://www.mobygames.com/person/874536/kelly-snyder/credits/

Is Sony going to do something?will the internet gaming army go hard on this?.... the avowed situation went nuclear...

corporation embraced the cancel culture and clearly have been infested by woke/DEI... some people would think that something like this is not relevant but entertainment is culture and reflects the ideology of people within.... If sony ignores this, I really hope the backlash is strong and big enough for the game to be a massive flop.

 

[ValiantInstance]

This isn't really a thread for debate about gun control but the reality has always been that it's not about guns, it's about control

You see this in the UK, where first they banned guns, and they banned knives, and then they banned pepper spray. You are literally told in the UK to have a whistle on you and blow the whistle if you are attacked. What the fuck is that supposed to do, exactly?

You also saw it in Australia, where after a high profile mass shooting, they moved to ban all guns there. Most citizens were disarmed and the guns collected and destroyed. The criminals there switched to knives, and guess what, knives were banned too. I think pepper spray is still legal in Oz though so I guess they still have that

The point is, and the deranged leftists celebrating this video of Charlie Kirk saying he supports the 2nd amendment don't understand it, is that the 2nd amendment exists so the 1st amendment can be defended. You are seeing that in the UK, where the citizens are now so disarmed that they are helpless when rape gangs are allowed to run rampant nationwide and people get arrested for Tweets

And yes, criminals always find a way to get guns or other weapons, no matter what is banned for ordinary law abiding citizens. Because banning the weapons was never about stopping crime. It was about controlling the people. The assassin of Kirk today certainly wouldn't have been bothered by gun control laws, criminals already don't care about laws in the first place!

The UK argument in this is always hazy. We have a different relationship with guns over here. Britain is domesticated, it has no bears or wolves, in fact we killed the last wolf nearly 1000 years ago. Guns are mostly tools for farmers to kill foxes and badgers.

Our civil war was fought with swords and shields, we prevented the Nazis from gaining air superiority so didn't have to arm up then either. And almost no person lives in a desolate area where the police aren't coming if your home is invaded.

America is a different beast, it is so desolate and wild in places that Europeans can't comprehend it. If I lived in a rural area I would not feel comfortable without a firearm. It is the right of every law-abiding American to bear arms, and even I can understand that as a foreigner.