ChorizoPicozo
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10 years too late, buddy. That already happened, and Johnny Depp´s case basically destroyed that movement. What is happening today is not exactly the same thing.
Game Developers celebrating assassination of Charlie Kirk (Sucker Punch, Bungie, The Coalition etc) [Update] Sucker Punch Dev Fired
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Topher
Identifies as young
Think these high profile companies need to start providing social media guidance if their employees are going to put the company name in their social media profile. If folks want to freely express themselves then do so anonymously.
At no point should her safety be in danger and I haven't seen anything that suggests it is. Her job.....that's the price she is going have to pay. Extreme result from an extreme action. Hopefully she will learn from this.
Techno_Inked
Member
Generally speaking I don't agree with America's political culture at all.
Doesn't mean we just have to accept it and act like it's ok, but also shouldn't incite further hate and fuel the fire.
I feel there should be more nuance in today's media instead of just propaganda and sending extremely polarizing messages.
But I digress.
viveks86
Member
Haha. I have no idea. At least not openly gay as far as I can tell. But a white male leader is already a bridge too far!
they are celebrating the death of a man with a family dude that's a bit different than mythical racism
Imtjnotu
Member
Now that she's gone, are we all back in on the hype traindammit. i spent all of 20 seconds making this so I could express my overdeveloped faux outrage at this and now it is pointless.
Icymanipulator
Member
You've conflated so many ideas here it's staggering. Boycotts do work, look recently at something like Cracker Barrel and their immediate collapse and subsequent walking back of stupid decisions.Hard pass. Boycotts are stupid. Frequently. And they also usually punish the wrong person/groups. All around not effective.
I'd also point out how counter-productive it is for the group of people who historically always associate themselves more closely with freedom of speech & civil liberties to call for a boycott because someone said something bad that they don't like.
Situations like this seems like a lot of people tend to forget about the Bill of Rights and why we have it in the first place.
Second, there's a huge difference between silencing someone forever and choosing not to purchase something. You have the freedom to say whatever you want, you don't have the freedom to force me to like it or accept it. That's how freedom actually works.
Third, sure maybe not everyone at sucker punch supports those insane comments about Charlie Kirk, but I can't only buy the parts of the game certain devs worked on. These comments taint the entire project as a whole. And this is what small part I can play in the consequence of that.
If you don't care then buy the game, buy 2 copies for all I care. I don't want anything to do with any more.
Finally I'm assuming you're brining up the bill of rights because of the first amendment and referring to the freedom to express ideas through speech. No one is stopping them. They can ridicule a man's murder all they want. But you seem to be implying that because someone has the freedom to do a thing that there shouldn't be consequences.
Trilobit
Absolutely Cozy
No, keep it. Nothing has been said officially from Sucker Punch. All she did was remove some stuff from her bio, she might still work there.dammit. i spent all of 20 seconds making this so I could express my overdeveloped faux outrage at this and now it is pointless.
Techno_Inked
Member
I agree 100% on social media guidance.
As for if she's in danger, I'm afraid we will always find out when it's too late.
Should this cost her her job? I don't know. I would say it depends on what further conversations are like between her and her boss and if she realizes that she's basically put her coworkers and their years of hard work in a bad light.
MrTroubleMaker
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Techno_Inked
Member
There's always a way to make a difference. Slim chance of changing everyone's opinion on things, but possible.
Topher
Identifies as young
I think the damage was already done. Would not be surprised if the firing came from high up in Sony land.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
It's not about agreeing or disagreeing; it's about understanding the context and evolution of the state of affairs.
You being shocked that someone lost their job over a tweet (and someone pointing out the irony) is quite amusing in the year 2025; it lacks a lot of nuance, funny enough
Ribi
Member
It's always been like this when it suits your side. "Don't stoop to their level!" "Nah fuck em this shit gonna be funny too"
ChorizoPicozo
Member
unless Sony makes a statement (and even if they do), yeah, sure. But thats how it works.
This person put Sony and her fellow devs in a lose-lose situation. Don't fire her? Some people boycott and don't buy the game. Fire her? The opposite people boycott and don't buy the game.
Their need for social media clout and being a shitty human being single handedly cost Sony millions of dollars.
Their need for social media clout and being a shitty human being single handedly cost Sony millions of dollars.
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she celebrated the death of a man so yes she should have.
Yes, they just want our money, even if they have to walk all over us to get it.
Techno_Inked
Member
Possibly, can only assume. Just saying we should be mindful of the things we say and do. If not, essentially we ain't any better than this Sucker Punch employee.
Mister Wolf
Member
I believe in giving people what they give me. Including hostility.
laynelane
Member
I think the issue is that she brought her employer into it. Whether intentional or not, Sucker Punch was listed in her bio. Therefore, her employer made a decision regarding her suitability to remain with the studio. As for it being a mistake, I don't believe she sees it that way which can be seen by her comment about "standing up against fascism" in the wake of being fired. She, along with many others, have become far too comfortable with making needlessly cruel and inflammatory comments on social media/public spaces and, at long last, some are paying the price for that lack of perspective.
Agreed on her safety, though. She received an appropriate consequence for her action/words and it's probably best to just leave it at that.
i sadly had to learn that yesterday on gaf.
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coachmcguirk91
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It is somehow very ironic that everybody is crucifying this developer(for good reason), when the person who died is guilty of the exact same shit. Kirk literally mocked and made light of Pelosi's husband assassination attempt. To the point that he asked his audience to bail out the suspect and called him a patriot. That is condoning political violence
Should Kirk have been canceled or boycotted? You can easily make the argument that what Kirk did was way worse because he had a platform that millions of people followed. The hypocrisy by some people here is unbelievable. You get up in arms only when it fits your political narrative
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Gexxy1
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So you decided to ignore everything in the post and resort to an Ad hominem attack. Why am I not surprised you had nothing of substance to say?"Clowns live among us with unpainted faces, and normal sized shoes"
- MLK Jr
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Techno_Inked
Member
I'm not shocked, js we shouldn't incite further hate.
Debatable, but I see your point of view.
100% agree and I feel the same way by exactly the example you gave bout what she said afterwards.
Yet none of us know what the internal conversations were like. People oddly act extremely stupid online, but are generally more reasonable and understanding in person.
Topher
Identifies as young
Expressing disgust over her words is not equitable to her expressing joy over someone's death.
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Techno_Inked
Member
Oof hopefully everything is fine and well with you mate
oh its fine t's just a 1-month warning.
FalsettoVibe
Member
You cannot possibly know that. Nor can you single out Nintendo is some kinda of good guy as if they are not a company in this for profits as well. The fact that you try is hilarious.
Techno_Inked
Member
1 to 1 comparison you are absolutely right. But online, you know how little it takes to get people riled up to say and do stupid things.
Gamer79
Predicts the worst decade for Sony starting 2022
It is more than just her statement. To say something so extreme that means she is indoctrinated into an ideology. No doubt that will spill into her work.
Yes she should be fired. Her statement no doubt did some damage to her employer. Good riddance in my view.
Punished Miku
Gaslighter Pro: 16.7 Fireflops
I was prepared to defend the assertion that Kirk was not a moderate, of course talking about policies he advocated for, not if he can be a nice guy. If you want to argue that Trump is a moderate, thats when I will check out. Its got nothing to do with not having anything of substance to say. Its like someone drops into a debate with links about why the earth is flat. I'm just not going to go there. You can convince everyone else here and I won't reply to you further. Have fun.
Gamer79
Predicts the worst decade for Sony starting 2022
Nintendo is more greedy than Sony and Microsoft. If you do not know their history you better learn. This is the same Company that sold a demo to the Switch 2
laynelane
Member
You're absolutely entitled to your opinion, but I don't believe reasonable and understanding people tend towards celebrating an assassination and/or 'joking' about it in a very public way. Nor do they double down on it after receiving criticism for their tasteless words. No matter the internal conversations, she put Sucker Punch and Sony in an untenable position. It may not always have been so, but there are now consequences for that and rightly so.
Lokaum D+
Member
I wish i had a time machine to just drop these ppl in the middle of a fascist regime for them to learn he weight of this world.
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ReBurn
Gold Member
Drew says while dropping the fries in the bag...
ChorizoPicozo
Member
That's what is happening. Cancel culture was evolving and getting stronger for about 10 years (alongside this Woke culture), and since 2022, it has been declining. While Woke culture hit its peak in 2020, Trump's second term threw a wrench into the movement's momentum
When Cancel Culture didn't work (losing power), they moved the goalposts and started advocating and inciting the killing of those they disagreed with. Don't lose the plot or the timeline. The "slim chance of changing everyone's opinion on things" only required the assassination of someone debating at a university
Techno_Inked
Member
I would say that's an assumption. We have all said and done stupid things. Getting judged by just that 1 mistake is pretty harsh.
As for her damaging her employer's reputation you are absolutely right. But I would also say that it depends on if she knowingly caused the damage to deserve to get fired. Sounds ridiculous that I'm saying this. But many people aren't extremely bright, especially when they are possibly fatigued and had to deal with stupid things in the past or moments prior.
Dr.Morris79
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Gamer_By_Proxy
About to beat off
Publicly condone it. So people know it wasn't just cause their arm got twisted from losing preorders.
xenosys
Member
Whilst I think Kirk's assassination was a tragedy, and disagreeing with someone's POV should never result in them being shot and killed in a civilized society, I think there's a massive knee-jerk reaction from a lot of people.
The Sucker Punch employee is an idiot with absolutely no self-control at a particularly delicate time. Anyone with a half a brain that REALLY wanted to express how they felt would be using burner accounts to remain anonymous. Not posting with their name and employer attached to their account.
Ultimately, companies care about their bottom line, not the morality of one of it's employees, and if they feel that that employees actions will have a negative effect on their reputation and income, they'll act. They have ZERO principles, but they'll pretend they do.
It's true, unfortunately. The right like to think of themselves as those that don't do what the left do and are above that sort of behaviour, but when push comes to shove, they do exactly that. Plenty of conservative influencers start calling for people to be fired, jailed, blacklisted from whatever industry they work in when something like this happens. They've ruined plenty of careers as well.
I do find it ironic though that most of the lefties fled to Bluesky because Twitter had become "an unmoderated platform for hate" and now look at them. One big giant echo chamber of it.
The Sucker Punch employee is an idiot with absolutely no self-control at a particularly delicate time. Anyone with a half a brain that REALLY wanted to express how they felt would be using burner accounts to remain anonymous. Not posting with their name and employer attached to their account.
Ultimately, companies care about their bottom line, not the morality of one of it's employees, and if they feel that that employees actions will have a negative effect on their reputation and income, they'll act. They have ZERO principles, but they'll pretend they do.
It's true, unfortunately. The right like to think of themselves as those that don't do what the left do and are above that sort of behaviour, but when push comes to shove, they do exactly that. Plenty of conservative influencers start calling for people to be fired, jailed, blacklisted from whatever industry they work in when something like this happens. They've ruined plenty of careers as well.
I do find it ironic though that most of the lefties fled to Bluesky because Twitter had become "an unmoderated platform for hate" and now look at them. One big giant echo chamber of it.
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