WC/Jez: Microsoft's ambitious new Xbox: Your entire Xbox console library, the full power of Windows PC gaming, and no multiplayer paywall

Will you buy the next Xbox hardware?

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SleepDeprived said:
So it's a console without the benefits of a console (price, exclusives, physical games) and a PC without the benefits of a PC (raw power, customizability, upgradability). I'm sure the number of people this appeals to is...non-zero, but is there really that much demand for something like this?

But then, what do I know? The value proposition for portables is similarly baffling to me for most use cases, and those seem to be getting popular here.
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Idk, a tv experience where you can potentially play xbox, Sony, steam, and whatever other games? If it runs more easily than running pc thru a tv, its gonna have an audience.
 
wolffy66 said:
Idk, a tv experience where you can potentially play xbox, Sony, steam, and whatever other games? If it runs more easily than running pc thru a tv, its gonna have an audience.
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And the assumption is that there will be OEM machines shipping with XBoxPC. Which won't have console mode but would have the XBoxPC interface.
 
DForce said:
The next gen xbox is going to sell worse than the Xbox Series X|S.

It's over.
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People on both sides need to adjust their way of thinking. Xbox no longer cares about hardware sales numbers. They care about revenue and that is going to come from software, services and licensing. The old Xbox is done. The new "Xbox" (in the sense that it better show profitability) is TBD.
 
BattleScar said:
I want to understand the economics of getting rid of the billions of dollars of revenue from paid online play.
How are they gonna work that into their new margin targets?
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They're exiting the console market.

You simply cannot have paid multiplayer on a platform where Steam exists.

After buying expensive hardware PC owners just refuse to do it.
 
So it's a windows PC with BC.

What they keep not mentioning is whether it's also a next-gen console (meaning having next get games that don't run in Windows.)

I've been saying it's not, and this sure sounds like I was right. Don't need a cookie but do want confirmation.
 
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Denton said:
I have been saying this for years. It was obvious this is how MS intends to get competitive advantage over Sony. It was also one of the reasons why they decided to release all their games on PC.
I am looking forward to competition between MS PC, Valve PC and Sony console.
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Yeah great 4d chess moves by MS.. all according to plan.

This is sarcasm right ? Right ? Padame.gif
 
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>first-party manufactured handheld console planning canned in favor of third-party manufactured, xbox-licensed portable PCs
>""next-generation"" device being pretty much a PC, putting to end the historical line of dedicated xbox console hardware

Sony is literally making all the stuff you actually want (PS6 and PS6 Portable), and yet you still refuse to make the jump to PlayStation. Why are you guys like this?
 
Whether I purchase this thing really depends on how complete the Xbox side will be, how open the PC side will be, and how well the two parts can interface with each other.

1. Will it be full Xbox BC? Is there a cut off ie. would I only get BC up to a certain generation or is everything in my library just expected to work? (I mainly care about original Xbox and Xbox 360, but there are a few Xbox One and Xbox Series games I own too)

2. Will the Windows side be full fat Windows which I can do anything I want with eg. install emulators and mods like Reshade?

3. Can I add all of that stuff to the console UI to make launching games seamless, a bit like adding an executable to Steam? Or will the Xbox UI just link to my Steam account, pull over the games list and only let me install those games directly? Can I eg. add PCSX2, Dolphin or Retroarch to this thing?

4. How customizable will it be? Will I have to contend with butt ugly PC shortcut icons littering the UI?

5. Will they support other controllers and peripherals like the DualSense, at least when playing the Steam games?

If they can nail all of this then it's an easy purchase for me as an ultimate all-in-one games box (which I considered Xbox Series X to be for a few years until Microsoft killed emulators).

If I have to jump through hoops though and switch between UI to run things then forget it. My faith then rests in Valve to deliver such a device (but then that won't have the Xbox BC...)
 
IntentionalPun said:
So it's a windows PC with BC.

What they keep not mentioning is whether it's also a next-gen console (meaning having next get games that don't run in Windows.)

I've been saying it's not, and this sure sounds like I was right. Don't need a cookie but do want confirmation.
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We already know game development and platform is Windows for next gen.
 
RetroGamingUK said:
They're exiting the console market.

You simply cannot have paid multiplayer on a platform where Steam exists.

After buying expensive hardware PC owners just refuse to do it.
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If they're exiting the console market, what the fuck are they doing spending billions of dollars on developing a "high-end, curated hardware experience"?
I have no doubt the thing will be sold with a profit margin, but are they going to do enough volume to be able to write that R&D cost down, whilst hitting their margins on their software?
They've raised prices on Gamepass high enough to where people are scrambling to unsubscribe, so they'll lose a chunk of membership, I guess are hoping their price hike will offset the losses.

But more importantly, they're just torpedoing the credibility of the Xbox brand.
Unless their intention is to completely sunset Xbox, in favor of Microsoft Gaming.

If they allow Steam on this WindowsBox, then they're never going to get another dollar of storefront revenue again.
 
HeisenbergFX4 said:
Big question for me is games like BF6, will it be in the console pool of players or PC?
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What if it's PC? Would you still call it a console, then?

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nial said:
>first-party manufactured handheld console planning canned in favor of third-party manufactured, xbox-licensed portable PCs
>""next-generation"" device being pretty much a PC, putting to end the historical line of dedicated xbox console hardware

Sony is literally making all the stuff you actually want (PS6 and PS6 Portable), and yet you still refuse to make the jump to PlayStation. Why are you guys like this?
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I'd like all the indies that are Switch / PC only. I'd like all the stores, including old stuff on GOG. I'd like Gamepass. I'd like to keep getting free money from MS Rewards. I'd like Epic Free Games. I'd like to access my Xbox library. And I'm never paying for PS+ if I have GP already. My PS5 has collected dust almost the entire generation.

I likely will never need a PS6. 90% of it will run on PS5, and a big chunk of it is likely going to get ported to PC anyway.
 
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RetroGamingUK said:
It's full Windows as per any other PC

Even the Xbox software experience will come to all PCs

Only unique aspect is that processor for backwards compatibility
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That's all I'm expecting. Maybe some AI shenanigans or quick resume. And I would be happy if it was as quiet and well designed as the Series X.
 
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IntentionalPun said:
I've had people like Heisenberg or whatever tell me otherwise.
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Well they get their info from MS and MS is really loose with their bullshit semantics terms... so they problem were told "its a traditional console bro.. " and went along ... cant blame them. Ms probably is going to market and try to sell it as a console just because it runs BC console games.

So its a hybrid
Console for old xbox console games
PC for everything going forward
 
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asdasdasdbb said:
To me it seems simple about the MP Paywall.

Have a separate console interface and XBoxPC interface. When using XBoxPC, you get Free MP; when using console, you don't.
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If free MP is indeed happening, I don't see them offering 2 interfaces. It seems like a needlessly convoluted half measure that has inconsistent and confusing end user experience on the same device that connects to the same store.

This sounds to me like they plan to fully merge their PC and console eco system into one. Whatever losses they incur as a result, they probably have decided to absorb it.
 
If Microsoft are intelligent, like Valve, they will share the shader caching across the whole pool of users to eliminate PC shader compilation stutter. One hardware spec could make this trivial.
 
DForce said:
The next gen xbox is going to sell worse than the Xbox Series X|S.

It's over.
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Xbox Console gaming is officially dead, its an attempt to salvage/not leave behind what has been established since 2001 and perhaps give a transition into PC gaming permanently. I think it's pretty reasonable considering:

No PS1, PS2, PS3 BC to PS4 and PS5
No Wii, Wii U BC to Switch

MSFT could not do full blown Windows PC gaming due to OS, technical and costly limitations at that time which is why they had to make a console with xbox branding/marketing, but I am glad to say those days are officially over. The lines have been blurred between console/pc gaming, and i think this is MSFT attempt to finally fuse it together since there are no more technical limitations and barriers. PC gaming with console like UI and experience.

I think MSFT needs to really update there SDKs, APIs, Windows OS for both x86 and ARM, and tackle mobile gaming and cell phones because I dont think that is needed anymore either (iOS and Android). You can have a full Windows for ARM OS on ARM based processors and make games natively on ARM instead of emulation. The NVIDIA ARM APU, and AMD ARM APU (along with Qualcomm) , is comming. It would have awesome to have a windows phone which is a full Windows ARM OS, a trifold (similar to z-fold), with 5G connection, and a mobile UI with native ARM gaming and network play!
 
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Punished Miku said:
I'd like all the indies that are Switch / PC only. I'd like all the stores, including old stuff on GOG. I'd like Gamepass. I'd like to keep getting free money from MS Rewards. I'd like Epic Free Games. I'd like to access my Xbox library. And I'm never paying for PS+ if I have GP already. My PS5 has collected dust almost the entire generation.

I likely will never need a PS6. 90% of it will run on PS5, and a big chunk of it is likely going to get ported to PC anyway.
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You can get all of that by building your own PC, which you will be able to upgrade its parts whenever you need to.
 
memoryman3 said:
This hasn't been true for years, and only because Nvidia deliberately gimps their VRAM on their lower end chips. 2080tis from 2018 are still going to run games at decent settings in 2030.
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2080Ti cost $1000+ by itself. And it's not going to run things at "decent" settings till 2030 unless decent settings are 1080P low / medium (heavily depends on a game of course).
 
nial said:
You can get all of that by building your own PC, which you will be able to upgrade its parts whenever you need to.
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"I'd like to access my Xbox library." That's not on PC.

As I said over a year ago, I'll see how this thing is when it is revealed and either do that or PC. As long as this is somewhat in line with prebuilt pricing, having my library is a giant bonus worth thousands of dollars to me. And I never upgraded anything in PCs. I'd have to learn how to do it, which is possible but not my top concern right now. It would be nice if this thing has some room for upgrades, but we'll have to wait and see.
 
I don't get it.
A PC that doesn't need a GP subscription to play online, plays Xbox One/Series games but it's limited to windows store, no steam?
 
nial said:
That's on the Xbox Series that you literally already own. You don't need to get rid of it, especially when their next thing is going to be, at least, $1200.
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So have an old console AND build a PC when you can sell one and get the new Xbox that does the job of both?

It's not that hard to see that there is a market for this new thing. How big a market... remains to be seen.
 
Ar¢tos said:
but it's limited to windows store, no steam?
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No.

viveks86 said:
If free MP is indeed happening, I don't see them offering 2 interfaces. It seems like a needlessly convoluted half measure that has inconsistent and confusing end user experience on the same device that connects to the same store.
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Not every game is PlayAnywhere. I think it would be less confusing to separate Console Mode versus PC Mode.
 
asdasdasdbb said:
No.



Not every game is PlayAnywhere. I think it would be less confusing to separate Console Mode versus PC Mode.
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Then what's the point?
If someone doesn't care for BC then they can buy a pc and run SteamOS by the time this is out, or buy a cheap used Series S for BC and a pc for new games.
 
nial said:
That's on the Xbox Series that you literally already own. You don't need to get rid of it, especially when their next thing is going to be, at least, $1200.
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As soon as Hi-Fi Rush went to PS5 I started taking out $100 a check. Got to $2k without even really noticing it a long time ago. I'm willing to entertain a premium device if it seems somewhat fair. Would be something new, and that sounds exciting. PC with training wheels is literally exactly what I want. They even used the word "curated." We should just wait and see what this even is.
 
reinking said:
People on both sides need to adjust their way of thinking. Xbox no longer cares about hardware sales numbers. They care about revenue and that is going to come from software, services and licensing. The old Xbox is done. The new "Xbox" (in the sense that it better show profitability) is TBD.
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I know they're not focused on selling 20+ million Xbox consoles in the future.

The poster thinks Microsoft can still be competitive against Sony with their next-generation hardware, and I'm saying that those days are over.

I believe they want out of the hardware business, and that "This is an Xbox" marketing campaign is part of that.

They expected flat results for Game Pass subscribers when Call of Duty launched on Game Pass. After missing many sales targets, they're now focused on profitability instead of growth.
 
Bernardougf said:
Yeah great 4d chess moves by MS.. all according to plan.

This is sarcasm right ? Right ? Padame.gif
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Phil and Sarah prepared an exquisite trap for Sony. By retreating they made Sony arrogant and unready for the unleashing of MAGNUS! 🧐

Like San Tzu said: "Make your enemy sell PS5 sell cheap and wide. The wise opponent retreats to become 3rd party"!

😉
 
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asdasdasdbb said:
Not every game is PlayAnywhere. I think it would be less confusing to separate Console Mode versus PC Mode.
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What you are saying applies only to BC. There will likely be no Xbox console game SKUs next gen for play anywhere to even be relevant as a program anymore. Everything new would automatically play anywhere by default as they are all PC SKUs anyway across console, handheld and PC. So all they need is PC mode and BC mode. If you slap a tag on BC titles and get rid of PC gamepass as a separate thing, then all the user will see is one mode, one gamepass and free MP across the board.

Just guessing based on rumors, but seems like the best way forward imo.
 
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Yeah if it's MS/Windows/Xbox store only and no Steam.... that's going to be an instant no from many, many, many people from the jump.

That even before reading up on the specs.

You asking me to buy a mid to higher end gaming pc and not carrying over my Steam library? Get the fuck out of here.
 
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