WC/Jez: Microsoft's ambitious new Xbox: Your entire Xbox console library, the full power of Windows PC gaming, and no multiplayer paywall
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Punished Miku
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Exactly. After this thing launches, Play Anywhere will just be a BC program basically. They could still keep updating it by having it be a condition for old GP games that get added. The more they shore it up, the less their PC ecosystem will be trapped on the Magnus chip. A lot of games that were not PA get added to GP and suddenly I have a PC version. They could pick off old games in a few years as cheap GP fodder and get them updated to PA for cheap, assuming they are even interested in that in a few years.
Ar¢tos
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I'm sure the word "curated" has a significant honest meaning, because MS has never used empty buzzwords before!
asdasdasdbb
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There probably won't be any Next Gen console games... but given dev lifecycles there might be Non PC Console (Series S/X) games released after this thing launches.
nial
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It's a market that isn't directly compatible with the pricing and game access sensibilities of traditional console users, which is why I'm kind of shocked to see a notable amount of people willing to go over this route.
I guess it's not harming to see how it ends up, but just saying that you can already have a system that will do everything this device will do (bar BC, but then again, these are Xbox users that already own Series consoles) without the need to wait 2 years for whatever ultra expensive machine Microsoft will begin to sell that in absolutely no way will resemble the traditional Xbox experience of their old consoles.
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Ev1L AuRoN
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I don't have a Xbox library so to me it's just a prebuild PC. I much rather build my own computer within my budget and the a upgrade path. As for the Xbox players that have a big library no to mention the gamertag the only hassle is to convince them to pay up for the premium and curated experience. Any console that have steam on it is a instant no for me. Not because steam is bad, is just that they are the better service and I'm not paying extra for Xbox branding.
DenchDeckard
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RetroGamingUK bro can you add a pool option "Not decided yet" ?
At this point, being able to decide is difficult. Even though I don't like the direction taken by Microsoft at all, I still have a shit-ton of games on Xbox. So I need to see exactly where we are headed in terms of hardware, features and price to decide.
Basically, this is too soon for me.
This is exactly where I'm at. Current events make me not want to buy anything but I have so much legacy content that I might consider it for a spare room or something.
The dream would be they make CPUs with this in like 3 to 5 years.
Boo Who?
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ioo
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Yeah, agree. Price it's the big issue here
MisterXDTV
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bitbydeath
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So everything I've been saying was right, imagine my surprise.
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GHG
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I told him that years ago.
He wasn't interested, needs that Xbox sticker to feel at home.
foamdino
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This thing will be north of 2000. It is an APU, with some zen cores attached to some rdna5 cores. Based on the leaks, there is nothing custom in the design, the only thing that would separate this from the components bought individually will be the keys pre installed in the tpm to make the security check for Xbox series games boot.
Microsoft will get a small audience of single digit million rubes to buy this based on the promises of it being the most powerful console. But I will eat my hat if the entire Xbox game library will just work without resorting to cloud streaming for a significant chunk of games.
If you want a PC cosplaying as a console then go ahead but don't fool yourself that this is a console in the traditional sense and don't be disappointed when the back compat promises fall in a heap.
I'm also doubtful about the free online play.
Microsoft will get a small audience of single digit million rubes to buy this based on the promises of it being the most powerful console. But I will eat my hat if the entire Xbox game library will just work without resorting to cloud streaming for a significant chunk of games.
If you want a PC cosplaying as a console then go ahead but don't fool yourself that this is a console in the traditional sense and don't be disappointed when the back compat promises fall in a heap.
I'm also doubtful about the free online play.
Astray
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Wanted to make a joke and link the Xbox merch store, but it's actually down lmao
GHG
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Wanted to make a joke and link the Xbox merch store, but it's actually down lmao
I know exactly what you're referring to lol.
I've suggested that sticker sheet to them many a time.
bitbydeath
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viveks86
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Xbox Series WHY?
Astray
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viveks86
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So far, yeah. Unless the rumors turn out false, you've made the right guesses! Let's just hope you are wrong about price though. Lol.So everything I've been saying was right, imagine my surprise.
RoboFu
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im sure there will need to be a "xbox" setting for games not he windows store. like we are starting see "Steam Deck" settings in pc games.
Mister Wolf
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Xbox Magnus is a fine name.
ResilientBanana
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Access to PlayStation, Xbox, and Steam is kind of sweet.
AMD making a GPU as powerful as a top-tier nVidia card is unheard of. I would temper that expectation and fully expect AI driven tech to make this thing reach 4K.
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Topher
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But that is AMD's codename, right? Personally I think it should be simplye "Xbox PC"
bitbydeath
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Online fee is gone as expected, there were rumours of BC being stuck behind cloud for licensing though, so don't be surprised if MS has a sub for that.
GHG
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Abandoning is a harsh word.
They aren't so much as "abandoning" them, it's more that for play anywhere versions they need to keep the version control in lock-step with the xbox console version so that things like saves, co-op/multiplayer etc stay compatible across the two versions.
For obvious reasons, that absolutely sucks if you play on PC only.
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Mister Wolf
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I mean it is a Magnus and it is AMD. Most people know nothing about the codenames for these chipsets. How many people would you say know that the Switch 1 is an Nvidia Tegra? I'd say less than 5% of the ownership.
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mayham2199
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Honestly I don't get it either. If this same thing was happening to PS your out of your mind if you think I'm buying some $1500+ device and being invested in that ecosystem any longer than I have to. Especially when it's clearly on shaky ground as it is. I'd happily move over to Xbox and slowly purchase any game I'm missing back and I guarantee I end up not even coming close to spending $1500.
Topher
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Yeah, I get that. I'm just making sure I understand the origin of the name. I'd definitely prefer it over some of their naming schemes of the past.
MisterXDTV
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Remember the sticker shock for the fat PS3 having onboard BC chip?
The original fat PS3 had the original hardware of PS2 inside, so it was understandable that the price was very high
Here we are talking about emulation
LOL
Denton
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Why would it? I mean, obviously, if MS did not fuck up Xbone generation, they would happily keep Xbox closed. But they DID fuck it up, Spencer said long time ago that this was the gen to win and they didn't, and so they figured that to compete, they should embrace openness of a PC. And so they eventually did.
GHG
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Yes, but the complaints and the perception of abandonment that it gives off are completely correct/valid.
In many cases you'll see the same games getting patched on other storefronts such as steam/gog/epic/etc (sometimes to correct critical PC specific issues) and then it taking months for the windows store version to get updated.
It's something they needed to address years ago but they've failed to do so because of the fact that it would mean abandoning play anywhere for many of the games that have been impacted by it.
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viveks86
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True. And those will fall under BC and treated as such. If it's not on play anywhere and you already own it, it's BC mode. GTA 6 will be the Series X version if no PC version is available by then. Though I fully expect the series X/S version to not be available for purchase on Magnus if a PC version is available as well. That would fit right into their Smart Delivery strategy.
nial
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I don't think so. It sounds like you would need to switch between Xbox mode and Windows mode, which means that the game would still be available on the storefront of the Xbox mode.
Look up how the Wii U handled Wii backwards compatibility, because this thing sounds exactly like it.
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Orbital2060
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ZehDon
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If I understand Microsoft's naming conventions correctly, they'll call it "Xbox Windows And Native Kernel", which will be shortened to XWANK. They will use this nomenclature unironically.
Reading the details, seems either their legal Eagles have solved their licensing issues around a PC running console titles, or Jezebel is blowing an insane amount of smoke out of his ass.
- Full fat Windows
- No paid multiplayer
- Full Series X-style BC
- RTX 5080 performance
- Discrete NPU
- $1000
They bring that experience to market for $1000 and I'm in day one no questions asked.
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viveks86
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If that's the route they go, then I agree. Wii U and Wii had a clean line drawn for BC. But I think the whole goal here is to erase all these lines.
I think there will be just be one mode/app for anything Xbox. The mode switching is to get to other stores outside of the Xbox ecosystem.
bitbydeath
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BC being as grey as it is, I expect some devs will exercise their right to opt-out.
