Push Square: PS6 Could Be the Only Next-Gen Console Charging for Online Multiplayer
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nial
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I mean, when you're literally having PS Plus and NSO subscriptions growing YoY, I don't think people ultimately care about that.
Windows Central's report only made reference to the existence of a Xbox PC, not a Xbox console.
Tobimacoss
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Yes. Because they won't be subsidizing the hardware.
They want to make consoles that play both console and PC games, they want to make Xbox PCs that play both console and PC games. Two sides of the same coin, yin and yang, just different form factors.
They are also reportedly getting rid of PC Gamepass tier. And have the 3 tiers of Gamepass as in Essential, Premium, Ultimate be the universal tiers for the entire Xbox ecosystem on various platforms from PC, Console, Cloud, Mobile.
Basically, equalize all sides, every1 pays the same across the ecosystem.
Haint
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They've already upsold and conditioned most people to pay for extra and premium so it will be trivial to drop the paid online portion with little to no subscriber loss. They'll make essential a Humble Bundle Monthly style service where actually own/keep the 3 "free" monthly games. Extra will probably be discontinued to enable a soft price hike forcing most people into Premium.
Tobimacoss
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Xbox and AMD: Advancing the Next Generation of Gaming Together - Xbox Wire
This week, Xbox announced it is actively building its next-generation lineup across console, handheld, PC, cloud, and accessories. Find out more inside.
news.xbox.com
They're doing a portfolio of devices. Just yesterday, Nadella stated they're about to change the paradigms of PC AND Consoles.
Topher
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Here's his statement. I don't see anywhere he says that unless you are guessing that is what he means by innovating on the "system side" of consoles and PC.
nial
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Again, I was specifically referring to WC's reporting there.Xbox and AMD: Advancing the Next Generation of Gaming Together - Xbox Wire
This week, Xbox announced it is actively building its next-generation lineup across console, handheld, PC, cloud, and accessories. Find out more inside.
They're doing a portfolio of devices. Just yesterday, Nadella stated they're about to change the paradigms of PC AND Consoles.
That doesn't mean that they should be getting rid of one of their core subscription revenue streams that purely exists out of the very fact that it operates on a walled garden ecosystem.
Be honest, did you even consider the idea of MS dropping the online MP paywall before that WC article came out? Because you seem to miss the simple fact that it's the case due the concept of the next Xbox being literally just a PC.
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Tobimacoss
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Here's his statement. I don't see anywhere he says that unless you are guessing that is what he means by innovating on the "system side" of consoles and PC.
It was Totilo's tweet that mentioned the words console/pc paradigm.
Anyways, there's also this.
He clearly mentions Consoles and PCs as separate form factors.
Nadella perceives everything from a technical perspective. He considers Windows PC Gaming and Xbox Console Gaming as the same because these are all various windows technologies. But he isn't saying they are going to replace Console form factor. He wants to elevate it via innovation.
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Topher
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"Revisiting" the console/PC paradigm is not "changing" it. Console and PC being different form factors is not changing the "paradigm".
Not interested in what you think Nadella "perceives". Just leave it with what he actually says
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Tobimacoss
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Jez is clueless in terms of technical information. He is a lot like MLID but much worse, he does have legitimate sources but he interprets stuff wrong or is confused how things work. Like when he said next gen consoles will not use ERA app model, well they have not used that for over five years.
I gave you the words of the President of Xbox Sarah Bond, CEO of AMD Lisa Su, an official Xbox blog post, and the words of the MS CEO Nadella showing they are doing both Xbox PCs and Xbox Consoles.
If the Consoles are an open platform, it isn't a walled garden anymore. MS cannot allow Steam/Epic on the consoles and still be charging online paywall on the Xbox side. That will trigger massive backlash. MS is going full force with Cloud Gaming, online paywall they no longer need or care for. Think of Essential as the base tier of Xbox Cloud.
I have been saying over two years (on reddit) that online paywall should/will go away, soon as reports were incoming regarding Steam/Epic on consoles. I even mentioned it a day before that Jez article came out, just ask
Topher
Topher
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Jez is clueless in terms of technical information. He is a lot like MLID but much worse, he does have legitimate sources but he interprets stuff wrong or is confused how things work. Like when he said next gen consoles will not use ERA app model, well they have not used that for over five years.
I gave you the words of the President of Xbox Sarah Bond, CEO of AMD Lisa Su, an official Xbox blog post, and the words of the MS CEO Nadella showing they are doing both Xbox PCs and Xbox Consoles.
If the Consoles are an open platform, it isn't a walled garden anymore. MS cannot allow Steam/Epic on the consoles and still be charging online paywall on the Xbox side. That will trigger massive backlash. MS is going full force with Cloud Gaming, online paywall they no longer need or care for. Think of Essential as the base tier of Xbox Cloud.
I have been saying over two years (on reddit) that online paywall should/will go away, soon as reports were incoming regarding Steam/Epic on consoles. I even mentioned it a day before that Jez article came out, just ask
nial
This is correct.....I mentioned in the WC thread that T Tobimacoss had been saying as much
No need for misleading horseshit though.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Why would a PR disaster stop them from doing that?
kevboard
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true... but still... they can't be that dumb can they?
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
What makes you so confident to say the bolded? It's odd that you believe nobody would drop the Essential tier if they drop the online paywall.
Bernkastel
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PS5 does not need online multiplayer for FF XIV or PSO2. I don't need anything else.
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nial
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Could be, could not be. The article is playing within the context of such report, and that's what I'm focusing on.
DenchDeckard
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It would be nice if these consoles could get to the level of steam overall.
Free online saves. Free online gaming. Excellent refund policies and customer care.
Something consoles lack behind massively and we take the shit they deliver.
No excuse from Nintendo and Sony to lock saves behind a paywall and to have bad refund policies etc.
Free online saves. Free online gaming. Excellent refund policies and customer care.
Something consoles lack behind massively and we take the shit they deliver.
No excuse from Nintendo and Sony to lock saves behind a paywall and to have bad refund policies etc.
vaibhavpisal
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Playstation is becoming more than arrogant.
It become a tyranny.
It become a tyranny.
RetroGamingUK
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vaibhavpisal
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Mozza
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The article is suggesting the Switch will not be the same generation as the new PlayStation, or a direct competitor..
Nintendo does change for its online multiplayer. But you also get access to their retro gaming catalogs, the level of which depends on your subscription level. But I don't think the article states Nintendo does not charge.
Pedro Motta
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Mine is even more silent and cool, haven't turned it on in over a year. Real premium shit.
saintjules
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Are we live?
Bondo
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Irony is that Microsoft started this bullshit. Now they are failing and need anything they can. Really if you are in that ecosystem, you got Gamepass to pay for- its also windows. You gonna pay wall that access? No.
Nintendo gets a pass? Completely invalidates this article.
Maybe Sony caves and allows online access- and everything else remains the same.
Nintendo gets a pass? Completely invalidates this article.
Maybe Sony caves and allows online access- and everything else remains the same.
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NickFire
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If the rumored Xbox PC-console-whatever really has no paywall it will definitely be a factor to consider next gen. But no way I'll believe it until I see official press releases and even then I'll be suspect that it would stay that way.
I really hope it's true. That said, I just can't see MS setting themselves up to basically release a steam machine with no revenue coming to them from buyers. And that will happen if you can literally plug it in and just play steam games with no game pass sub required to exit the ecosystem.
I really hope it's true. That said, I just can't see MS setting themselves up to basically release a steam machine with no revenue coming to them from buyers. And that will happen if you can literally plug it in and just play steam games with no game pass sub required to exit the ecosystem.
Unknown?
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Microsoft isn't going to give up those fees. That's the only thing that makes them a lot of money. When they lose that, they take a massive hit. Not to mention losing a huge cut on 3rd party software that charging $1200 per console won't make up for.
Maybe they hike Gamepass again.
Maybe they hike Gamepass again.
RetroGamingUK
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Looks like everyone will be playing Steam games on their next-gen "console" then.
yurinka
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Yes, Xbox will die as proper consoles and will be replaced by console shaped PCs running Windows and Steam games. So since there won't be next gen Xbox consoles MS won't be able to charge to play their online.
But Nintendo and Sony will continue charging to play online on their future consoles.
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Tobimacoss
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What's a "proper" console? Please define it.
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RetroGamingUK
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Locked to a single company's ecosystem
Plays physical media
Sold at a loss or subsidised
Designed entirely for games (and complimentary media features)
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Tobimacoss
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Why is selling it at a loss or subsidizing it one of the characteristics of a Console? Nintendo doesn't sell a Switch at loss or subsidizes it.
Is a PS5 Digital Edition or Series S not a console? They don't play physical Media.
Being locked to one ecosystem is not a requirement either, that was just the past paradigm.
Gamer_By_Proxy
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Where did they get this shitty practice from . . . oh yea, Microsoft.
RetroGamingUK
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1. Switch 2 makes no money on unit sales, they make money back by games (not really possible if open to third party online stores)
2. No, but most units do support physical media
3. Name one console in history that supports multiple ecosystems
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Gamer_By_Proxy
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The MS paid MP and 30% cut from 3rd party must be so small now they don't even care about giving it up.
Says more about Xbox tbh.
Says more about Xbox tbh.
Tobimacoss
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1.) Switch 1 was reported to have $50 profit per unit. Switch 2 may not make money per unit sold but they don't make a loss either. No subsidizing, no loss. So that being a requirement fails.
2.) And most PS6 units in the future will stop supporting physical Media, remember the disc drive is detached now. Will it stop being a Console? What if Magnus still supports physical Media?
3.) So just because it hasn't happened before, means it can't or shouldn't happen in the future? Is that your thinking? There can never be an Open platform Console?
ShaiKhulud1989
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Plus it's not like PC is free. Windows is technically paid and there's rumour about the sub model for Windows, plus I'm sure Microsoft will find a way to hide something gaming-related in Windows behind the recurring paywall.
yurinka
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One that isn't a PC running Steam games made for PC.
One that has an OS created for it and optimized for games, and its games are coded natively to run for that console to take full advantage of its hardware in a more optimized way.
This period of time where we'll get tons of shitty takes because whatever MS puts an Xbox sticker on is now " a console" will be tiring.
To be fair, I'd love to have free multiplayer, emulators other PC apps in my PlayStation. I wouldn't need to buy another laptop every certain amount of years.
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Tobimacoss
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They already have what they needed. Gamepass. And Cloud Gaming. Essential being the base tier for xCloud and a free ad supported tier coming in spring 2026, and PC Gamepass going away next year.