Topher
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It's a good question. I don't know the answer, but I do remember Gabe talking about the Steam Deck pricing being "painful"
Predict the Steam Machine starting price
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It's a good question. I don't know the answer, but I do remember Gabe talking about the Steam Deck pricing being "painful"
Tobimacoss
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One would think it has to.
SomeNorseGuy
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If it includes the controller I'd guess
$599 (512GB)
$749 (2TB)
$599 (512GB)
$749 (2TB)
Guilty_AI
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599 or 699, or between those two.
I just can't see it costing 399 or 499, i imagine production costs would be similar to an equivalent PC and it'd too hard to reach those lows unless valve is willing to take a considerable loss per sale. Above 699 wouldn't be worth it (for a base model).
I just can't see it costing 399 or 499, i imagine production costs would be similar to an equivalent PC and it'd too hard to reach those lows unless valve is willing to take a considerable loss per sale. Above 699 wouldn't be worth it (for a base model).
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Guilty_AI
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You'd be hard-pressed to find a PC with those specs even at 600. The price range for something equivalent would start at 700, above this i'd start questioning its worth.
Tobimacoss
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Would be great getting it on sales though. I don't care for SteamOS, would definitely put windows on it, I just love the form factor. I wish Asus would copy it for their small NUC mini PCs.
kevboard
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for around $670 you can get a PC that is more powerful, AND upgradable down the line.
EDIT: made the image a bit more compact
meanwhile, here we have a box that is less powerful than a PS5, has no upgrade path, and has only 8GB of VRAM which means games like Monster Hunter will look like molasses.
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memoryman3
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for around $670 you can get a PC that is more powerful, AND upgradable down the line.
meanwhile, here we have a box that is less powerful than a PS5, has no upgrade path, and has only 8GB of VRAM which means games like Monster Hunter will look like molasses.
You're making the PS5 Pro look like a poor purchase with this build…
kevboard
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this is indeed about as powerful as a PS5 Pro.
Topher
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for around $670 you can get a PC that is more powerful, AND upgradable down the line.
EDIT: made the image a bit more compact
meanwhile, here we have a box that is less powerful than a PS5, has no upgrade path, and has only 8GB of VRAM which means games like Monster Hunter will look like molasses.
lol....I was about to say you forgot the power supply. Quick edit!
Kacho
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I hope you're right and if you are I'm low balling my price estimate by a lot. I heard others saying the power falls somewhere between a Series S and X.
That will be up on Etsy within a week.
Guilty_AI
Member
The CPU you picked is much weaker, you're using a Sata SSD rather than a NVME, and you're using DDR4 RAM instead of DDR5. Don't cut corners and you'll get to the $700 baselinefor around $670 you can get a PC that is more powerful, AND upgradable down the line.
meanwhile, here we have a box that is less powerful than a PS5, has no upgrade path, and has only 8GB of VRAM which means games like Monster Hunter will look like molasses.
kevboard
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no, I'm talking about the PC I put together in the image above. not the Steam Machine. the Steam Machine is less powerful than a PS5. around 8~9 TFLOPS if I remember the maths I did in my head a few hours ago.
Dacvak
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I wonder if Valve will sell the hardware at a loss. I've always suspected that they sold the Steam Deck at a loss, in the hopes of making that money up in software.
I don't think they need to do that at this point, but I hope they do.
I don't think they need to do that at this point, but I hope they do.
kevboard
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neither the CPU nor the SSD will bottleneck you in any way.
meanwhile the 8GB VRAM of the Steam Machine will absolutely bottleneck you.
DDR4 is also fine. you have to remember that the Steam Machine uses laptop hardware for both the CPU and the Memory.
I put together a system that will 99.9% of the time completely outclass the Steam Machine in actual game performance. it will in fact in many games completely destroy it even.
on that GPU you can probably run Doom TDA with pathtracing, while on the Steam Machine you'll run at 10fps due to the lack of VRAM.
It doesn't matter if some components compared directly look worse on paper. in actual practice, that PC will absolutely outclass it, with exceptions maybe being games like Valorant if you wanna play at sub 1080p and with insanely high framerates... then that CPU might be something that slightly outperforms that PC... but that's about it.
so I will absolutely cut corners if it makes sense. you don't need DDR5, an M.2 SSD, or a Zen4 CPU for a cheap PC that plays current gen games.
Doom TDA loads in less than 1 second on my USB connected NVME SSD... it's not important to have anything better than that.
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Durin
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Going to go with $500-550 for the 512gb, doubt they'll cross past $600 for it if they want any real shot.
This is them doing the console thing, so they need to take a loss to build a base. Valve has been aggressive with keeping the Steam Deck pricing down vs. other companies doing handheld hardware.
This is them doing the console thing, so they need to take a loss to build a base. Valve has been aggressive with keeping the Steam Deck pricing down vs. other companies doing handheld hardware.
Guilty_AI
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Now you're entering another territory of discussion altogether
i have yet to see a single game that doesn't run properly with 8gb VRAM. I've yet to find a single one that doesn't run properly with 6gb of VRAM. I know DF loves to beat on this drum, but the reality is as long as you're not putting textures on maximum ultra (which nowadays doesn't mean lower texture quality, just slightly more constrained texture streaming), you're not going to run into issues. You're not even going to see much difference as long as you're not running higher resolutions on a big screen.
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freefornow
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$399 512gb. BYO controller.
ReBurn
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Ok. I don't want that controller anyway.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
I'm going to guess between 800 and 1000
EverydayBeast
ChatGPT 0.001
$299 would be fantastic
kpopSuperstar
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So this won't be on store shelves right? it's gonna be a Steamdeck situation?
If so, they can go $599, because it's selling to a niche market like Steamdeck.
If they wanna go on the shelves, they need to price it lower.
If so, they can go $599, because it's selling to a niche market like Steamdeck.
If they wanna go on the shelves, they need to price it lower.
lastmessiah
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It's going to be closer to $1000 than $500.
lmao at $399, this isn't just a console.
lmao at $399, this isn't just a console.
Guilty_AI
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Like i said, massively overblown issue. Doom TDA running on an equivalent GPU, 8gb vram and everything,
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MrTired
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for around $670 you can get a PC that is more powerful, AND upgradable down the line.
EDIT: made the image a bit more compact
meanwhile, here we have a box that is less powerful than a PS5, has no upgrade path, and has only 8GB of VRAM which means games like Monster Hunter will look like molasses.
Guys why do we think everyone is a hobbyist who can/wants to build a PC. Yes if you willing to put the time and effort necessary you can make a "better" machine however as pointed out by others it required you to compromise some of those parts.
vodka-bull
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Valve could afford to sell it under manufacturing price. Their margin on software is probably the biggest stable income for them anyway.
So I'd guess they could potentially sell it for 399, but I think they'll go for the XSXs original price, so around 500.
So I'd guess they could potentially sell it for 399, but I think they'll go for the XSXs original price, so around 500.
semiconscious
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Tobimacoss
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$299 with or without controller would be a Steal. Can never see that happening, maybe used or sale prices.
kevboard
Member
ok... now do Monster Hunter Wilds with textures set to anything higher than low.
or do Doom with pathtracing...
and btw. Console equivalent settings, and with the texture pool set to the lowest setting in Doom TDA, will be around 7GB of VRAM, so it's already really hard at the limit.
and that is a highly optimised game.
try something like TLOU Part 1 and the story will be a different one.
and remember that this thing releases now, not 5 years ago. I bought my 8GB VRAM PC around 5 years ago, and back then it was ok enough...
in the here and now it will need to compete with potentially next gen systems in 12 to 24 months, that will push VRAM usage even higher, so more and more games will potentially look like soup on 8GB. so I would never buy anything 8GB nowadays. I already see the limits every time I play a new game. I am always hard at the limit if a game has a VRAM meter in the settings. with 8GB you're riding that edge basically.
again, 8GB is fine if this thing is less than 500€. if it is 500€ it's a hard sell, if it's more than 500€ it's absolutely a waste of money IMO.
it's not a compromise. the parts you see there will 99.9% of the time outperform the Steam Machine, in some cases BY A LOT. it will also outperform the PS5 Pro in many games.
so it's not a compromise, it's simply a sensibly put together entry level PC, that plays everything current gen without issue, and is upgradable down the line with maybe an X3D CPU and a better GPU a few years down the line.
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Laptop1991
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LOL, Kidney if their Valve Index VR headsets are anything to go by.
reinking
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for around $670 you can get a PC that is more powerful, AND upgradable down the line.
EDIT: made the image a bit more compact
meanwhile, here we have a box that is less powerful than a PS5, has no upgrade path, and has only 8GB of VRAM which means games like Monster Hunter will look like molasses.
You can. Just like you can do the same when comparing it to other mini-PCs on the market. Yet, even the more expensive of those things keep on selling. Some people do not want to build a PC regardless.
I don't think Valve is trying to take over any hardware market. Their battle is to chip away at Windows stronghold on the gaming OS. Maybe MS spooked them when they start talking about a hybrid or Xbox PC. Realistically, they (SteamOS/Linux) will never take over the market from Windows, but they can make sure the Steam store stays in the forefront of gaming and any market share they gain is bonus.
ChorizoPicozo
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clarky
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So would $1 but neither is realistic.
Guilty_AI
Member
Btw, MH Wilds is an interesting pick because that game actually has massive CPU bottlenecks, meaning your build would probably have some struggles with it. Look at the performance loss of the 5500 cpu you picked compared with a 5700x3d (which isn't even as good as the one in the GabeCube)
6.3% worse average performance, with 15% to wooping 80% worse lows, meaning tons of stutters. And this is using a 12gb card.
No one buying either of these machines is going to be using pathtracing
A worse CPU is most definitely a compromise, a really bad one too as demonstrated above
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Cyberpunkd
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Ok pretty sure they do, given each one sold just brings more people to Steam.
phant0m
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