Kacho
Gold Member
I'd probably bite at $600 but that's pushing it.
$700 and I'm out. I can't justify the price for what I'd use it for (indies, niche nippon shit).
The Problem With The Steam Machine: Its Current Gen
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$700 and I'm out. I can't justify the price for what I'd use it for (indies, niche nippon shit).
PaintTinJr
Member
I was under the impression that where hdmi at full bandwidth (48Gbit/s ) can still achieve full bandwidth on passive copper between 5-10m, DP 2.0 at full bandwidth is limited 2m on typical copper, and HBR3(~26Gbit/s) is the limit for 5-10m copper cabling on DP.
hdmi active fibre cables already have full bandwidth(48Gbits) for +50m runs, whereas 50m is currently limiting on DP 1.4 (~33Gbits) as in the specs of the active repeater you linked that stated 80ft at 60hz, but if that info is out dated and you can point to something better, then I'm happy to concede the point.
CobraAB
Member
Will there really be a new Xbox? I know theysay one will be coming nut they are all over the map when it comes to XBox.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
How would Microsoft get around that licensing nightmare? It absolutely will not have a disc drive either.
Regardless, everything about that is just a rumor. I'll wait for more info.
However, if it's running on Windows and can do everything a standard desktop can do, then it falls into the PC category.
The HDMI 2.1 spec itself doesn't provide an actual maximum cable length. And cable quality can let you push over further runs.
But 4K 120Hz can do the 5-10m you suggested as that around 36Gbps, while 8K 60Hz is only 3-5m as that's at the max 48Gbps.
Here's someone with a very basic wordpress site without images (so you know it's someone who knows what their talking about
)https://easytechsolver.com/how-long-can-hdmi-2-1-cable-be/
Anker says 3M for passive cables
https://www.anker.com/blogs/cables/max-hdmi-cable-length
And Cable Matters agrees with the 3M.
https://www.cablematters.com/Blog/HDMI/how-long-can-an-hdmi-cable-be
vaibhavpisal
Member
Supposedly "special" Xbox chips that make it a console which normal PCs won't have.
Like you mentioned, it's all rumors right now. We'll see what actually ends up happening.
Do you have an official source for that? If it's true, I'm definitely getting at least one.
Topher
Identifies as young
That's your guess?
vaibhavpisal
Member
Who in their right mind would buy it for above that?
Even a 4050 laptop will match its performance. Especially with DLSS.
Kacho
Gold Member
Fortuneelsewhere
Member
The praise this machine is getting from a number of people fascinates me… it reminds me the praise series S got when it was first revealed.. but basically it is a turd that brings nothing new to the table and will be completely outdated in 2 years…
Gambit2483
Member
Dunno if it's been posted but found this a bit funny....
bender
What time is it?
Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
You also can't play those old games on Steambox. Most of the games supported on Proton are new games and the vast majority of Steam games are post 2010 games. Most pre 2010 PC games are not on Steam and you need several fan patches to run them. Since you have to pirate them, they won't work in Proton or Lutris. And that is only talking about 2000s games. 90s and 80s games.
So your Steambox cannot play games from 80s, 90s or even 2000s games. Meanwhile Playstation has PS1,PS2 and PSP games.
List of downloadable PlayStation Portable games - Wikipedia
List of downloadable PlayStation 2 games - Wikipedia
List of downloadable PlayStation games (North America) - Wikipedia
And now this is how much PS4 and PS5 games, their are
Around 15K.
You ain't making a separate partition for Windows in 512 GB SSD. You need 1 TB minimum.
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El Hee-Ho
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
You are going need to post some source for that.
I've played Morrowind, Arx Fatalis and Heroes of Might and Magic III on my Steam Deck and I'm just checking and games like Thief, Silver, Day of the Tentacle, Sin, Deus Ex or basically anything I look for seems to be supported.
Hawk The Slayer
Member
8GB of VRAM is a big turn off.
And the main stuff I currently play are World of Warcraft, Warcraft Reforge, Modded Elder Scroll games, Modded Fallout games, and Resident Evil games.
Now even if this Steam Cube allows me to play non Steam games as WoW and Warcraft Reforged, as well as allowing me to still mod Fallout and Elder Scroll games and play all the Resident Evil games than that would sound good at first especially if the box is like 600 to 700 tops.
But I'll still eventually run into a big problem once the true heavy demanding games comes out like GTA VI, Witcher 4, Fallout 5, Elder Scrolls VI etc etc.
Now as much as I'm interested in some of those games, I can still live without Witcher 4 and even GTA VI. But I can't live without a modded Elder Scrolls VI and modded Fallout 5 as those two are my big mandatory future games so Steam Cube will still be a no at the end of the day. So even if they managed to allow modding and allow me to buy WoW and Warcraft, the Cube still won't be able to handle what I want in the future.
Unless of course they release a new next gen Steam Hyper Cube in a couple of years or so that is strong enough to handle them than I'm better off just getting a new more expensive PC.
And the main stuff I currently play are World of Warcraft, Warcraft Reforge, Modded Elder Scroll games, Modded Fallout games, and Resident Evil games.
Now even if this Steam Cube allows me to play non Steam games as WoW and Warcraft Reforged, as well as allowing me to still mod Fallout and Elder Scroll games and play all the Resident Evil games than that would sound good at first especially if the box is like 600 to 700 tops.
But I'll still eventually run into a big problem once the true heavy demanding games comes out like GTA VI, Witcher 4, Fallout 5, Elder Scrolls VI etc etc.
Now as much as I'm interested in some of those games, I can still live without Witcher 4 and even GTA VI. But I can't live without a modded Elder Scrolls VI and modded Fallout 5 as those two are my big mandatory future games so Steam Cube will still be a no at the end of the day. So even if they managed to allow modding and allow me to buy WoW and Warcraft, the Cube still won't be able to handle what I want in the future.
Unless of course they release a new next gen Steam Hyper Cube in a couple of years or so that is strong enough to handle them than I'm better off just getting a new more expensive PC.
Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
Because the vast majority of 2000s games did not release in Steam, especially early 2000s games. What you are mentioning are select few games that released later. Steam only became important in 2010s. Definitely not the store that can play "most games from the 80s".
Pop
Member
Now show the people what the most used resolution still is on SteamSteam most popular GPU is 3060 and you are telling me steam box being current gen is a problem.
GO for the knockout
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El Hee-Ho
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
But who's talking about the store. The cube is a PC and it can play PC games.
genesisblock
Member
If current gen is anything to go by. It took nearly the end of Sony's lifecycle (of the PS6 rumour is to be believed) to get games like Arc Raidesles / Battlefield 6 and those games don't reach the high point of previous gen (Uncharted 2, GTA5, etc)
Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
The cube can play games from Proton, Lutris and Heroic. Not just any PC game.
neocycle
Member
Why not spend the 500 bucks on proper ps5 games? You can get like 20 AAA games on sale, which is more than most people can play in years.
Topher
Identifies as young
All the "praise" I'm seeing has an asterisk next to it asking what's the price.
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I mainly game on ps5, but still need a pc for daliy task and some games not on ps5.
Also depends on the entry price of this machine.
Looking at this as a replacement for my gaming laptop.
DoktorCoktor
Member
Proton is just a compatibility translation layer. If a game typically runs on Windows, then it can run on Linux, even older titles. There are some tricky ones that may require a few extra steps on Linux though, such as, launch option dll overrides and windows registry/directory edits using WINE. Silent Hill 4's old PC port is a good example.
grvg
Member
You're really grasping at straws. The only stuff it can't play is modern GaaS slop, because the devs put in cancerous kernel level anti cheat software.
He made a very salient point, and also used two of the goats to make said point.
I've installed windows on a MacBook before. Played dark souls 3 on it, as a matter of fact. It worked just like a windows computer. Now, installing osx on non mac hardware, thats another story.
They don't make em like thief or unreal any more
I don't have a dog in this "blah blah this plastic box is better" warring, but I do find some of the responses people are making in here, as well as the things people choose to argue about, to be absolutely surreal.
Outside of that, the thing I'm most skeptical about for this is it's gpu. You're not gonna be playing new stuff very well at all on the discrete gpu this thing ships with. I'm not the target market for this, as I have a nice and relatively new PC, but I think it is cool.
Also, the movement valve is making towards an arm / x86 emulation bridge is mind blowing, easily the most interesting thing about their presentation
TikiLagoonSam
Member
Thief and Unreal? You really think thats a selling point? lol. Nobody is paying $1000 to play that. If you are willing to pay that to play those old games, you probably already have a way to play those games that is much cheaper than buying a Steam Machine.
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Stafford
Member
Factually wrong. There is a big amount of games that are only on Steam, now if they're your cup of tea is a different story.
Apparently there are about 20,000 games released yearly on Steam but apparently can't all be played on Steam OS. A friend of mine is buying one day one because it has so many games his Xbox and PS5 don't have, but I don't envy him having to check if a game is even going to run.
Plus I have such a huge backlog on Xbox as it is, not even counting Game Pass and....have only so much time.
Apparently there are about 20,000 games released yearly on Steam but apparently can't all be played on Steam OS. A friend of mine is buying one day one because it has so many games his Xbox and PS5 don't have, but I don't envy him having to check if a game is even going to run.
Plus I have such a huge backlog on Xbox as it is, not even counting Game Pass and....have only so much time.
Fortuneelsewhere
Member
The same was said about Series S and we know how that went… a turd will always be a turd no matter the price..
dcx4610
Member
I do think being current gen is a slight problem but at the same time, it feels like we've peaked. Is there really much of a difference from the PS4 to PS5? It all just looks good now. It's all about refinement now and subtle differences. I think as long as you can target 60fps and 4K, that's really all you need. Also, going current gen means that it SHOULD be cheaper. I'm still holding out hope that it'll be $500. That would be a great deal for people to have a companion device to their PC and for people that haven't yet experienced PC gaming.
I think a lot of people with PS5s only would be willing to try a Steam Machine if it's cheap and easy to use. The library goes back to the beginning of gaming and isn't locked to 1-2 generations like the PlayStation.
I think a lot of people with PS5s only would be willing to try a Steam Machine if it's cheap and easy to use. The library goes back to the beginning of gaming and isn't locked to 1-2 generations like the PlayStation.
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Topher
Identifies as young
The mistake here is continuing to try to look at this from a console gamer's perspective. This isn't a product that dictates a company's strategy for the next seven years. There are gaming PCs sold today with specs weaker than this and no one gives it a second thought. Whether or not this PC is a "turd" or not has everything to do with the price.
bender
What time is it?
It's all I think about.
Humdinger
Gold Member
I'd probably bite for $600 or $700. Whether I'm in my right mind is anyone's guess.
It's like they're offended by its mere existence. I think it's because they don't want the races mixing.
But seriously, most places are positive about it. I only see the negativity on GAF. It's probably elsewhere in PC-spaces dominated by spec bros, but I don't think that's how most of the internet is receiving it.
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Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Yeah. I really like the idea of an affordable Steam machine.
But I'm afraid these specs will start giving this whole idea and product a bad name almost right away.
But I'm afraid these specs will start giving this whole idea and product a bad name almost right away.
vaibhavpisal
Member
Just wait for xbox magnus.
It wont be. They could have used RDNA 4 and 16 gb VRam for not too much more. That would have basically made it fit for next gen as well.
But cost cutting is quiet intense on this. I would be surprised if its above $500.
Humdinger
Gold Member
Yeah, there's your solution,
Heisenberg007
. Just get an Xbox Magnus. lolWe shall see. I'm thinking $600 to $700 myself. $500 would be a nice surprise.
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cartman414
Member
The option is there though, to play it on the couch with about the same level of convenience. Definitely not a negative.
TikiLagoonSam
Member
It is definitely a plus, I agree. Just like backwards compatibility on consoles is a plus.
So my original question was who is this for. And the answer I can gather from all these responses is really for people who want to play old games that only PC has access to and hardcore enthusiasts that will buy it just cause. Very niche for sure. I wonder if Valve's aim is actually that.
Regarding the argument of price. If anything is priced low enough, anyone will bite. Do we really think this think will be priced at $500? And is that even low enough for a good amount of people to purchase this and make it a success?
Guilty_AI
Member
There's way more to it than that. The majority of PC players have a PC with specs similar to the steam machine or more often worse.
People need to stop trying to compare PC to consoles as if they're interchangeable. Some people want a PC, some people want a Console. For the average PC player, this would be an attractive purchase even at prices above current consoles like $600 or $700 (maybe not if its higher than this).
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Did you ever use Steam? There are thousands of games from the 2000s and before. Deus Ex is there. System Shock 1 and 2 are there. Black and White is there. Wing Commander is there. Titles were retroactively added by the boatload.
Most PC games that saw a major release are available on Steam.
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Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
At that point, and at that price range, why wouldn't someone just build a PC, instead of being locked to one closed system?
The entire appeal of Steam Machine is that it'll allow for PC gaming at a much cheaper price. Steam is the only company right now that can subsidize powerful hardware and offer it at a cheaper price. No one else can.
And if it falls short at either aspect - if it's either too expensive or less powerful - then it defeats the point of introducing such a device in the first place.
Guilty_AI
Member
DOSBox has a native Linux version, that already covers a huge portion of 80s and 90s pc games. Besides that, several of other emulators (both for old PC models and consoles) also have linux versions, allowing you to play many old console and old PC games (you need these emulators to play on windows as well, so it isn't a compromise).
Only doubt left are regarding abandonware from the late 90s and early 2000s, which needs to be studied case by case. Still, i usually see people managing to play them fine
EXTRA with linux running RPCS3:
There's way more than just a 'select few' pre-2010 games available on modern stores.
You can most definitely play pirated games on Lutris and proton
You can most definitely create a separate partition for windows with 512gb
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bruno_shady
Neo Member
Don't give me hope...
Steam, GOG, and other platforms sell games of that era. Or you could load them off original media. And DOSBox or SCUMMVM will run on SteamOS.You also can't play those old games on Steambox. Most of the games supported on Proton are new games and the vast majority of Steam games are post 2010 games. Most pre 2010 PC games are not on Steam and you need several fan patches to run them. Since you have to pirate them, they won't work in Proton or Lutris. And that is only talking about 2000s games. 90s and 80s games.
So your Steambox cannot play games from 80s, 90s or even 2000s games. Meanwhile Playstation has PS1,PS2 and PSP games.
List of downloadable PlayStation Portable games - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
List of downloadable PlayStation 2 games - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
And PS3 BC coming with PS6.List of downloadable PlayStation games (North America) - Wikipedia
And now this is how much PS4 and PS5 games, their are
Around 15K.
You ain't making a separate partition for Windows in 512 GB SSD. You need 1 TB minimum
You can even rip and play your PlayStation media including PS3. Is the Steam Machine next gen in that regards?