Linus tech tips is disappointed that the steam machine won't be priced like a console.

I think if people were shelling out nearly $600 for the 256gb Steam deck way back when, then the Steam machine being at/near $600 isnt crazy. But the fact its 3 very focused pieces of hardware makes me think there is gonna be some "steam tax" in the prices.
 
RetroGamingUK said:
Sony, Valve and Nintendo seem to have an iron grip in gaming.

They have slight overlapping competition, but they firmly dominate their own markets.
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cireza said:
Hardly matters to console gamers.

This thing needs to compete with the console market to be relevant, and having an infinite amount of random Steam games won't matter much, because it's not like we are not getting all the games we want on PS5 and Series. I can't name a single game available on Steam, that I want to play, and that is not Series.

And there are also games available on Series that are not on Steam, on top of it...
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Just because you can't think of one doesn't mean jack shit to the vast majority of gamers. One of steams biggest draws is the insanely vast library of games dating back decades. It completely dwarfs consoles. This doesn't have to compete with consoles at all. It's a pc for the living room. If you aren't into pc games than this won't interest you
 
DeepEnigma said:
I have an Asus gaming laptop with a 3080ti, that mofo gets super loud and very, very hot.

Never again.
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Yeah, the gaming laptop I bought in 2007 was the last I bought. Worked great for the first few months but then started getting hot and loud. Eventually it was just shut off while playing any game. Will never buy another laptop for gaming.
 
DeepEnigma said:
Reread what I said. Valve doesn't call it a console, and said nothing of the sort of competing with consoles.

Only us fantards are arguing from that brand war position.
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Valve can call it whatever it wants but it's competing against consoles and pc's for marketshare/people's time. If this isn't priced accordingly than it'll be DOA because console users will stick to their consoles and pc guys will just upgrade their rigs.
 
Senua said:
Just because you can't think of one doesn't mean jack shit to the vast majority of gamers. One of steams biggest draws is the insanely vast library of games dating back decades. It completely dwarfs consoles. This doesn't have to compete with consoles at all. It's a pc for the living room. If you aren't into pc games than this won't interest you
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This would be a day one buy for me it if had supported WoW :(
 
If I wanted a console I would have purchased a console at any point since the PS2 came out. The Steam Machine will fill the exact use case I intend to use it for and I don't particularly care if it is $800 or whatever. I don't compare the products that I purchase vs their raw material cost either. Why would I compare the "specs" to a console that I don't want? I am not buying this for specs.
 
Sebastian1295 said:
Valve can call it whatever it wants but it's competing against consoles and pc's for marketshare/people's time. If this isn't priced accordingly than it'll be DOA because console users will stick to their consoles and pc guys will just upgrade their rigs.
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Cool. I remember these same arguments with Steam Deck. Valid arguments, yes, but nothing new.

And again, this thread brought nothing new to the table to warrant its own. We are literally arguing the same shit since the reveal.
 
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Mister Wolf said:
If it had been $500 and released at the same time as the Steam Deck then it would have been better received.
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The Steam Deck was somewhat novel at the time, and it's reputation as a decent handheld pc has grown over time. If people had to make a choice between the 2 machines at the time Steam Machine would have been left in the dust, considering how Valve floundered the first round.
 
Geometric-Crusher said:
I mean, losing certain Windows functions on a handheld isn't a sacrifice, but it is on a desktop. Valve is putting a product on the market that isn't as good as a PC (like a gaming laptop is) and isn't as good as a console, either in price or performance.

The Steam Cube is a product aimed at those who aren't familiar with gaming laptops, because at the end of the day, a laptop is a real computer with access to the Adobe suite and everything else the consumer might want , no need for makeshift solutions. Steam Machine is a limitation you know it.
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What? Valve is literally putting a PC on the market. We don't know the price so why are you saying it isn't as good? There are plenty of gaming laptops that are weaker than Steam Machine. There are desktops weaker than Steam Machine.

I think what you are trying to say is that Steam OS doesn't offer the same applications as Windows. Yes.....if you want the full Adobe suite and shit like that then you are probably not considering this.

The problem here is you think only a computer with Windows can be a "real computer" and that's just not true.

Senua said:
Fuck gaming laptops, thermal nightmares
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The true marvels of engineering in those things is how they are able to make fans so small and yet loud as a MF at the same time.
 
marjo said:
Not to mention mods and free online (which is worth several hundred dollars over the life of the machine).
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Oh yea there is so many benefits to an open platform like PC, which this device is, even if it's streamlined. I have to agree with DeepEnigma DeepEnigma I'm not sure why people are trying to turn this into another contender in the console wars
 
Miyazaki's Slave said:
Is that a problem though?

With those specs you can play a giant selection of the games on steam (there are exceptions of course...vr, certain anti cheat mechanisms, etc) and you can do that with 2 to 3 cables and the TV you already have. Why make a PC enthusiast machine when that is not their target audience? They want to get folks migrated over who are accustomed to only console "plug n play" gaming.

To me, Valve is not targeting someone who has purchased/made a pc specifically for gaming...they are targeting folks who are not in that eco system due to the cost/complexity of managing all the pieces people see as "required" to enjoy pc gaming.
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Valve is targeting the people you mention i agree but it's going to be hard to get alot of those people into your ecosystem when this thing isn't even going to retail. It's only going to be sold through valve themselves i presume which limits alot of the exposure.
 
apple_of_enlightenment said:
Cheers. This might be just me but I call a PC something that comes with Windows.
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Well, it would be nice if there was better gaming support with Macs and Linux. I personally prefer Macs. If I needed to do any real computer work, I would get Linux. But as it stands now, I just use MacBook for web browsing and photo manipulation.

marjo said:
Not to mention mods and free online (which is worth several hundred dollars over the life of the machine).
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I forgot about the free online. That is pretty huge if you ask me.

Joel Was Right said:
Still not sure who this thing is targeted towards. It is almost certainly not going to be a primary device.
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I don't think this will impact Xbox or PlayStation in any significant manner. I wouldn't doubt the first month or so will have hardcore gamer sales numbers though.
 
The thing with these specs is their limitations will be immediately apparent. Who in their right mind will drop $600+ on that? At least the Steam Deck is justified for being a handheld. The Steam Machine doesn't have that excuse.
 
Mister Wolf said:
I don't understand why they couldn't have just put this thing out years ago. It's not like any of the parts in it are new.
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The parts for old tech are inexpensive for Valve to buy up at this point. Someone made a statement that Valve was essentially buying leftover AMD Garbage, or something to that effect.
 
Sorcerer said:
The parts for old tech are inexpensive for Valve to buy up at this point. Someone made a statement that Valve was essentially buying leftover AMD Garbage, or something to that effect.
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Reminds me of the Switch 1 and Nintendo scooping up the shit ass Tegra 1 SoCs that no mobile OEM was willing to buy.
 
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Sebastian1295 said:
Valve is targeting the people you mention i agree but it's going to be hard to get alot of those people into your ecosystem when this thing isn't even going to retail. It's only going to be sold through valve themselves i presume which limits alot of the exposure.
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Yeah, you are correct about that, but at the same time people only (this part is hyperbole sure) get PC games from Steam. So if you have to go there to get games you might as well get your hardware from there as well.
Though looking forward direct to consumer is going to be a more profitable distribution method for these companies. Sony started it with parts of the PS5 eco system, Nintendo does it with their hardware (controllers for example), and the more titles slip toward digital titles I don't see target or walmart being the main source of sales.

Valve is making a new VR headset...when their previous one sold under 500,000 units...with those numbers they are probably more than comfortable being direct to consumer.

Hell...Gabe can deliver them all via his super yachts!
 
Kacho said:
The thing with these specs is their limitations will be immediately apparent. Who in their right mind will drop $600+ on that? At least the Steam Deck is justified for being a handheld. The Steam Machine doesn't have that excuse.
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The people who care about pc on the tv have there desktop or laptop plugged into their tvs and playing on steam big picture mode already. The people who want to just game have a PS5. Steamdeck is good because of the portability aspect. The steam machine has already been done and either it was super niche or its failed. Alienware tried the console/pc shit a few times and failed.
 
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Geometric-Crusher said:
But no matter what Valve says, they are indeed trying to compete with consoles, but they're being hypocritical instead of making it obvious.
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Every form of time induced entertainment is in competition for your dollars and attention. :pie_eyeroll:

LordOcidax said:
And? A lot of people over the internet think is a console,
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And they're retarded too. Don't be a normie.
 
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What is making this cost more than a PS5 or Xbox Series X or even PS5 Pro? The hardware? Or the OS?

If the hardware is not better than these XSX or PS5/Pro, then why price is higher? Because it has a PC like OS…?
 
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pudel said:
...and Microsoft of course. But it was never any different. So whats the point?
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They don't have one. MS/Sony/Nintendo will be the top 3 for the long term, as far as console devices for the living room go. But PC (see Steam Machine) is growing fast (according to Take Two). Could PC be the future of the living room for gaming? Not sure, but I wouldn't complain...so long as it is a seamless console experience.

Until then, I will just keep buying my Xbox and PS games on their respective consoles until someone puts out something better. I have large digital libraries on my Xbox and PS, so it's gonna take A LOT.
 
Kvally said:
I forgot about the free online. That is pretty huge if you ask me.
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There are so many benefits to an open platform. Much cheaper games (look at the various key resellers), free online, fantastic mods, support for basically any controller you can think of, etc.
It's an apples and oranges comparison.
 
Geometric-Crusher said:
But no matter what Valve says, they are indeed trying to compete with consoles, but they're being hypocritical instead of making it obvious.
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It's more of a sly statement. Technically you can access the desktop and use it as a desktop pc. Same as the Steam Deck. It's no coincidence that Valve was holding this to counter Microsoft and Magnus at this specefic point in time.
 
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marjo said:
There are so many benefits to an open platform. Much cheaper games (look at the various key resellers), free online, fantastic mods, support for basically any controller you can think of, etc.
It's an apples and oranges comparison.
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I wouldn't have any use for mods (no time), but any controller, free online, and access to PC games not available on console is a great start.
 
Judging by the specs and the appearance of the GabeCube, I would guestimate the machine costing around $460ish to produce.

Now how big of a margin does Steam want. Anything under $599 would be golden for console players to get into PC.
 
Geometric-Crusher said:
But no matter what Valve says, they are indeed trying to compete with consoles, but they're being hypocritical instead of making it obvious.
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You have an opinion, but are stating it as the only possible option, and it isn't. This isn't competing with consoles for me, didn't think about them at all, they don't enter into this equation for me. It's not a console or this, it was never a console, and this is a net new product for people like myself, and I'm not the only one. Also, the fate of Valve isn't resting on the success of this device, it's just some extra butter on their already massive pile of potatoes.
 
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