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Epstein Files Released! oh wait... where are they?

Not voting for a sex offender who tried to overthrow the government is a hard choice lol America is cooked. I get it DEI woke etc
Lay off of the mainstream corporate news my man.
Biden wanted to "heal the nation" and move on from Trump 1.0. He wanted to move past the drama. He was trying to build a legacy as the POTUS who recovered from the Trump years.
Ah colluding to hide the origins of covid, telling us it's a pandemic of the unvaccinated without a shred of evidence, making a video where everything is dark and red in the background as he yells, using his administration to pressure big tech into deplatforming those who disagree with him was so healing.

I'm so glad that censorship era is over but while it's better, it isn't perfect, and I shudder to think of the censorship that will happen when they regain power. They are already threatening things they will do if they return.
 
I'm so glad that censorship era is over
You mean, banning press they don't like, pushing "official news" coming directly from the White House, inviting conservatives or even right-wing podcasters in press conferences, and calling "fake news" everytime they don't like the question they're being asked ?

+ of course insulting journalists

And the worst offender of all: his physical report where he's like 6.3" for 224 pounds, which would make him an elite athlete with a very low body fat
 
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You mean, banning press they don't like, pushing "official news" coming directly from the White House, inviting conservatives or even right-wing podcasters in press conferences, and calling "fake news" everytime they don't like the question they're being asked ?

+ of course insulting journalists

And the worst offender of all: his physical report where he's like 6.3" for 224 pounds, which would make him an elite athlete with a very low body fat
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Surely even the Trump MAGA loyalists must find this a complete farce?
they do. in fact they are the ones who are pissed off the most because they believed trump when he campaigned on releasing them.

that said, they will still vote for him come 2028 when he runs for the third time. trump had 31 women accuse him of sexual misconduct before his first election, NY times extensively covered him walking into Miss Teen USA changing rooms, and by 2024 most people knew he was besties with Epstein. It's just politics.
 
I can promise you I cared way more about policies than anything

I care about our open borders and the removal of violent illegals in our country, that alone won my vote
The Biden administration took office amid heightened debate in some circles over the merits and tactics of deportations, yet it is on track to carry out as many removals and returns as the Trump administration did. The 1.1 million deportations since the beginning of fiscal year (FY) 2021 through February 2024 (the most recent data available) are on pace to match the 1.5 million deportations carried out during the four years President Donald Trump was in office. These deportations are in addition to the 3 million expulsions of migrants crossing the border irregularly that occurred under the pandemic-era Title 42 order between March 2020 and May 2023—the vast majority of which occurred under the Biden administration. Combining deportations with expulsions and other actions to block migrants without permission to enter the United States, the Biden administration's nearly 4.4 million repatriations are already more than any single presidential term since the George W. Bush administration (5 million in its second term).

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* Fiscal year (FY) 2024 data are through February.

 
Ah colluding to hide the origins of covid, telling us it's a pandemic of the unvaccinated without a shred of evidence, making a video where everything is dark and red in the background as he yells, using his administration to pressure big tech into deplatforming those who disagree with him was so healing.

I'm so glad that censorship era is over but while it's better, it isn't perfect, and I shudder to think of the censorship that will happen when they regain power. They are already threatening things they will do if they return.

Yeah, I personally think he was a pretty terrible POTUS. I wasn't saying that's how I viewed him - rather that seems to be how he wanted to view himself. That was the legacy he wanted people to remember him by.

To me, I can sum up my view on the Biden years as:

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You mean, banning press they don't like, pushing "official news" coming directly from the White House, inviting conservatives or even right-wing podcasters in press conferences, and calling "fake news" everytime they don't like the question they're being asked ?

+ of course insulting journalists

And the worst offender of all: his physical report where he's like 6.3" for 224 pounds, which would make him an elite athlete with a very low body fat
I said that censorship era and that what we have now is not perfect.

Those are low level issues that pale in comparison to the deplatforming and debanking that happened from 20-24 just for speaking your mind.
 
that said, they will still vote for him come 2028 when he runs for the third time. trump had 31 women accuse him of sexual misconduct before his first election, NY times extensively covered him walking into Miss Teen USA changing rooms, and by 2024 most people knew he was besties with Epstein. It's just politics.
It looks like the smear campaigns worked on you. He's not running in 2028, anytime he says anything about that's because some moron reporter asks him so he gives a non-definitive answer to rile them up. Accusations do not equal guilt, and they all magically appeared when making a presidential run for the opposite side, yet this guy has been in the spotlight for decades, do the math.

Besties with Trump? The same Trump that was the only powerful figure to help the people representing the victims of Epstein?
Of course rich New York financial figures knew each other and spent time with each other. And Trump famously ended any connection they had when Epstein acted out inappropriately at Mar-a-lago.

The real concern with the DOJ is when are they going to start pressing charges against anybody they actually do have info on. Keeping massive redactions is fine if there is an actual case they are going to present, so they don't ruin their chances of the charges sticking. But so far we only have a dead Epstein and a jailed sidekick to show for it. If you got somebody, charge them. If no further charges are going to be filed, release everything except the Victims info.
 
I care about their votes and the policies they support/don't support.

Everything else is just white noise.

Don't you think these potential actions and statuses as abusers of minors should strongly throw into question precisely WHICH policies they support snd dont support?

Like you cannot realistically separate the two. If I found out a guy who's in charge of the treasury had a redacted decades long history if bank fraud, I can't just say its 'white noise'.
 
So almost deported as many as Trumps first term yet illegal immigrants entering the US went up by about 40% in 2023 compared to Trumps first years

Good job not securing our borders I guess
My opinion... they were letting in much more than they were getting rid of and even handing some the "keys to the kingdom" or so to speak, to some of them. I had an Illegal attempt to cash some kind of check, for 7000USD$ (ID checked, Guatemalan) where we could be flagged if we tried to cash it. It was from the state. Legit, but beyond our means... WTF?
How does someone who cannot speak a lick of English... get a check from the state like this? AND in an Amount like this???
 
Looking at some of those released pics... all I can say is the secret society in Eyes Wide Shut wasn't entirely baseless fiction.

I hate both parties in all honesty but I will continue to vote as I feel if you don't vote you really dont have a right to complain

That said my vote usually goes for what I feel is the lesser of 2 evils and recently its been a hard choice honestly
You guys need someone new who can unify both sides and reconcile your differences.

They also didn't even release all of the documents.
They might be stalling to redact the rest further. They technically "met" the deadline and released some files.
 
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You guys need someone new who can unify both sides and reconcile your differences.

That would be amazing for the whole country but I feel like the well has been poisoned too much now. The next guy will try to emulate DJT to retain the same voter base.
 
That would be amazing for the whole country but I feel like the well has been poisoned too much now. The next guy will try to emulate DJT to retain the same voter base.
100% would get my vote no matter the party but sadly such a person would likely be killed long before they got that far along in the process

There is too much hate in this country even for someone trying to unite us
I don't think its a situation that is unsalvageable.

Right now is a period in which people will have to endure. Periods come and go. I'm sure some wise folks can see the fissures that need to be mended.
 
I don't care.

End of discussion.

As a general rule, I don't care what my politicians do in their personal lives, as long as they support the policies I want them to support and vote the way that I want them to vote.

I'm far more upset at President Trump's attacks on MTG, Rand Paul, and Thomas Massie, than I ever could be about him being friends with Epstein.

That said, whatever disagreements/issues I may have with President Trump, he's still 1000% better than the alternative, and much, much better than many Republican elected officials, who are little more than establishment hacks and RINOs

Grow a fucking spine

Oh you're made of dough, nevermind. Checks out.
 
I said that censorship era and that what we have now is not perfect.

Those are low level issues that pale in comparison to the deplatforming and debanking that happened from 20-24 just for speaking your mind.


They litteraly plan to check your social media before entering the country, that China/Russia level of censorship, and you're like « yeah but it's nothing compared to before where we couldn't make fun of transgenders »
 

They litteraly plan to check your social media before entering the country, that China/Russia level of censorship, and you're like « yeah but it's nothing compared to before where we couldn't make fun of transgenders »
So you're telling me they plan on doing additional surface-level vetting of people that want to enter this country? Those sick mother fuckers! This can't stand! Am I doing this right? Because I'm not seeing an issue but you seem worked up about it.

Also, I don't think you quite understand what censorship is, because this ain't it.
 
So you're telling me they plan on doing additional surface-level vetting of people that want to enter this country? Those sick mother fuckers! This can't stand! Am I doing this right? Because I'm not seeing an issue but you seem worked up about it.

Also, I don't think you quite understand what censorship is, because this ain't it.
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I'm really not sure what people are expecting to find in these files.

I mean, we know what circles Epstein ran in, so obviously a lot of high profile names will be in the mix. Even if you want to go down the conspiracy theory rabbit-hole you have to accept that he was running under cover of being an international financier, and therefore he was using that to draw people into his orbit at least initially.
 
I miss the 'Russian collusion' smear campaign, they so were much more fun to hear liberals screaming that for years...

Then nothing.

Shameless pivot to the next one.
 
I miss the 'Russian collusion' smear campaign, they so were much more fun to hear liberals screaming that for years...

Then nothing.

Shameless pivot to the next one.
Well... He does suck Putin's cock and does everything Russia tells him to do when it comes to Ukraine so there is that, I personally think Bill Clinton and Former Prince Andrew where balls deep into it, the orange monkey.. not so much
 
Well... He does suck Putin's cock and does everything Russia tells him to do when it comes to Ukraine so there is that, I personally think Bill Clinton and Former Prince Andrew where balls deep into it, the orange monkey.. not so much

Trump sends weapons to Ukraine to fight against Russia, so that destroys anything you could say outside of conspiracy theory bs.

But it is typical mainstream media consumption opinion, no surprise. You linking it to previous collusion(no evidence) says everything about conditioning effectiveness. Btw, not a trump fan but this is diluted.
 
Why remove that stuff if everyone who wanted already downloaded everything?

because of the images of the women more than likely. They do not want people looking up every person in the images and harassing them. Which all sides agree on.

This whole thing can / has to some extent... turned into a witch hunt. I do not think anyone cares if any big celebrity or politician gets shown but everyone else should have their identities protected.
 
because of the images of the women more than likely. They do not want people looking up every person in the images and harassing them. Which all sides agree on.

This whole thing can / has to some extent... turned into a witch hunt. I do not think anyone cares if any big celebrity or politician gets shown but everyone else should have their identities protected.
Thing is they had already released those files and images and anyone who wanted them had them all already

Last I saw they were back up now as well, maybe altered more I dunno
 
Trump sends weapons to Ukraine to fight against Russia, so that destroys anything you could say outside of conspiracy theory bs.

But it is typical mainstream media consumption opinion, no surprise. You linking it to previous collusion(no evidence) says everything about conditioning effectiveness. Btw, not a trump fan but this is diluted.
Their latest peace plan was word for word what Russia wants, even Russia said so

And then they published a memorandum on Nato, and Russia said it is pretty much their view and values

Trump sends help to Ukraine whenever the Ukranian president comes to see him and compliments him. And then time passes and Trump is like « well he should resign, it's not democratic to have a president staying longer than his term » which is exactly Russia's argument (or more like a fallacy).

This has nothing to do with mainstream media consumption.
 
Their latest peace plan was word for word what Russia wants, even Russia said so

And then they published a memorandum on Nato, and Russia said it is pretty much their view and values

Trump sends help to Ukraine whenever the Ukranian president comes to see him and compliments him. And then time passes and Trump is like « well he should resign, it's not democratic to have a president staying longer than his term » which is exactly Russia's argument (or more like a fallacy).

This has nothing to do with mainstream media consumption.


None if this can be proven. Russia saying words is irrelevant. They lie constantly.

Trump sending weapons after a compliment is the same thing. Typical narratives seen on the news regurgitated. "Feelings."

The point is if trump were everything Russia wanted he would have never given Ukraine anything. Ever. He continues to.
 
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Bold move, drag everyone down.

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so... as a non-native speaker... am I wrong to think that the usage of "whom" here is grammatically wrong?

the context in which it is used here would mean if put into one sentence, the sentence would read: "whom is being protected?", but that seems wrong to me.
now, if the context was that someone was protected from someone else, as in: "from whom is he being protected?", then whom would be correct of course.

but in the context of that statement in that press release, it seems incorrect to me.
 
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To be honest anyone who didn't see this coming only has themselves to blame. There was no magic list that both parties had been in power over that would ever see the light of day.

There is also a real lack of understanding amongst the public of how social circles work. Every single billionaire on earth knows every other billionaire. When you are at the centre of a network, you interact most with all the centralised nodes. Joe public is on the peripheral.

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What's my point? It's not a gotcha to see any famous person photographed with Epstein. If you were a billionaire, you would've been too at some point.
 
one thing that bothers me about the reporting on this is that these clearly are not the same picture. MJ is looking a different direction, the photographer is standing at a different spot, etc. It's a minor point because clearly it is a picture of the same event though. But people keep saying the photo was publicly available but the evidence used to back up that claim is a different, albeit similar photo, which is odd.

However, i think it needs clarification of why it was included in this release. Was this a photo that Epstein had at his home or hard drive? It's just not clear why it was included in this release.
 
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so... as a non-native speaker... am I wrong to think that the usage of "whom" here is grammatically wrong?

the context in which it is used here would mean if put into one sentence, the sentence would read: "whom is being protected?", but that seems wrong to me.
now, if the context was that someone was protected from someone else, as in: "from whom is he being protected?", then whom would be correct of course.

but in the context of that statement in that press release, it seems incorrect to me.

 
Trump sends weapons to Ukraine to fight against Russia, so that destroys anything you could say outside of conspiracy theory bs.

But it is typical mainstream media consumption opinion, no surprise. You linking it to previous collusion(no evidence) says everything about conditioning effectiveness. Btw, not a trump fan but this is diluted.
You sir are a moron, I can't communicate with morons so we'll leave it at that
 
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