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[GHG]

Comments from the guy who posted the Instagram video I linked above:

Regarding the passenger that was pulled from the car:

Looks like the media aren't accurately reporting this. Vince was still in what was left of the chasis of the car, they couldn't get him out and it instantly caught fire. The passenger was on the other side and they managed to pull the seat out because it separated, he was still alive after the impact but it took too long for the medical team to reach the scene.

RIP.

 

[clarky]

That people in a gaming forum don't know where inspiration for their beloved games comes from?

Yes

Inspiration comes from a gaming legend dying a horrible death in an expensive sport car?

 

[GHG]

Those roadside defences are horribly designed, why just leave a flat upright surface for someone to smack into?

It's a concrete barrier/wall, but it's in a horrible place. The barrier should start right at the entrance/exit point of the tunnel and stretch all the way around the corner with no breaks.

It also shouldn't be concrete, but I doubt a road like that will have much money put in to it, hence the lack of signage before and during the tunnel to indicate an upcoming turn over a crest.

 

[Sintoid]

Inspiration comes from a gaming legend dying a horrible death in an expensive sport car?

No, comes from street races that happen arond the world every day but users seems to don't realize

 

[SkylineRKR]

Its very sad to see someone go so young.

They were coming out of a tunnel with what seems like at least 100mph? It looks like taking a huge risk there.

 

[clarky]

No, comes from street races that happen around the world every day but users seems to don't realize

Gotcha.

 

[Black_Stride]

Comments from the guy who posted the Instagram video I linked above:

Regarding the passenger that was pulled from the car:

Looks like the media aren't accurately reporting this. Vince was still in what was left of the chasis of the car, they couldn't get him out and it instantly caught fire. The passenger was on the other side and they managed to pull the seat out because it separated, he was still alive after the impact but it took too long for the medical team to reach the scene.

RIP.

The media report was that passenger was ejected from the vehicle, pronounced dead at hospital.....he was.

Driver died on the scene in the car......he did, the car was slag so obviously he was dead, no need to go to hospital to figure that out.

NBC had the video of the car on fire....it's a hybrid in the event he was still alive in the car I hope he was unconscious.




Which part did they get wrong

 

[GHG]

The media report was that passenger was ejected from the vehicle, pronounced dead at hospital.....he was.

Driver died on the scene in the car......he did, the car was slag so obviously he was dead, no need to go to hospital to figure that out.

NBC had the video of the car on fire....it's a hybrid in the event he was still alive in the car I hope he was unconscious.




Which part did they get wrong

I saw a report earlier that said Vince was ejected from the car.

If they've since updated it to be factual then good on them.

 

[Revolutionary]

Comments from the guy who posted the Instagram video I linked above:

Regarding the passenger that was pulled from the car:

Looks like the media aren't accurately reporting this. Vince was still in what was left of the chasis of the car, they couldn't get him out and it instantly caught fire. The passenger was on the other side and they managed to pull the seat out because it separated, he was still alive after the impact but it took too long for the medical team to reach the scene.

RIP.

"bullshit protocols"

I get that emotions are high for that guy but lets not blame the first responders. The blame for this situation lies entirely on ONE person.

 

[Chittagong]

Also consider how dangerous it is to bystanders or first responders to even approach the car in a place where another car may be flying out of the tunnel blind at any moment.

 

[xrnzaaas]

It's a concrete barrier/wall, but it's in a horrible place. The barrier should start right at the entrance/exit point of the tunnel and stretch all the way around the corner with no breaks.

It also shouldn't be concrete, but I doubt a road like that will have much money put in to it, hence the lack of signage before and during the tunnel to indicate an upcoming turn over a crest.

Concrete barriers shouldn't be a thing on twisty roads, I can understand having them on the freeways but even then I'd opt for metal barriers in front of them that can bend and take the hit without instantly stopping the car and not giving anyone a chance to survive.

I imagine that in the US there's a shitload of roads to maintain, but judging from the youtube clips from that exact place it's a rather popular spot so it is a different case than some barely used roads with minimal traffic.

 

[Black_Stride]

I saw a report earlier that said Vince was ejected from the car.

If they've since updated it to be factual then good on them.

The article this thread is based on simply said passenger/driver it didn't specify which one was Vince.

We've only been updated relatively recently as to who was driver/passenger from social media posts mind you.

We assumed Vince was the driver due to him having a lot of fast cars already, so he was most likely driving one of his toys.

 

[I'm nobody]

Rip sad days

 

[Bert Big Balls]

Jesus Christ. Tragic. RIP.

 

[hououinkyouma00]

"bullshit protocols"

I get that emotions are high for that guy but lets not blame the first responders. The blame for this situation lies entirely on ONE person.

Yeah as soon as I read that I was annoyed. It's only "bullshit protocols" because you are emotional which trust me I get but those protocols are in effect for a reason and it's to not risk more lives.

 

[bighugeguns]

Read somewhere that uber sports cars tend to have bad standardised safety ratings, if any. Really tragic accident.

 

[DEAD ORIGINAL]

Made some real bangers Medal of Honour Allied Assault, Cod 4, MW2, Titanfall, and recently Battlefield 6 a major loss to the first person shooter scene, Rip legend.

 

[ReyBrujo]

Jesus I saw the vid. It's still sad but come on man. You were 55, rich as fuck with a family and fulfilling career. You could have spent the next 20 years relaxing living the life. Wasted it to go fast in a car for 10 seconds.

So many babies born because of that (?)

 

[Jormatar]

RIP bozo, what an idiot way to go out though.

 

[Dane]

The media report was that passenger was ejected from the vehicle, pronounced dead at hospital.....he was.

Driver died on the scene in the car......he did, the car was slag so obviously he was dead, no need to go to hospital to figure that out.

NBC had the video of the car on fire....it's a hybrid in the event he was still alive in the car I hope he was unconscious.




Which part did they get wrong

Saw the video on youtube, the crash was so nasty that bystanders saw the passenger flying still strapped on the seat and then they dragged him out.

 

[ReyBrujo]

Just respect the speed limit, don't go all mighty with cars far too powerful and you'd be alive for Christmas.

True. You actually need to know how to drive these cars, buying one doesn't automatically make you an expert, a minimum slip, accelerating at the wrong time, some disturbance in the road and you lose control. There was no way in hell that car. These cars should have their own driver's license. Down here there was this guy driving a Ferrari at a highway who just accelerated and tried to switch rails and instantly lost control. Now imagine wanting to take a turn at high speed.

 

[Russell]

RIP bozo, what an idiot way to go out though.

What a fucked up, disrespectful thing to say.

 

[Randall365]

Many people have been affected, directly or indirectly from high speed accidents, so emotions will run high. We've all known the flash of fear then anger when someone cuts you up at high speed or flies round the corner on your side of the line.

 

[John Bilbo]

That is horrible. Rest in peace.

 

[Ishma3L]

It's a concrete barrier/wall, but it's in a horrible place. The barrier should start right at the entrance/exit point of the tunnel and stretch all the way around the corner with no breaks.

It also shouldn't be concrete, but I doubt a road like that will have much money put in to it, hence the lack of signage before and during the tunnel to indicate an upcoming turn over a crest.

Might need some revision sure, but I imagine for 98% of people not doing >100 mph into a blind turn out of a tunnel it is completely adequate.

Comments from the guy who posted the Instagram video I linked above:

Regarding the passenger that was pulled from the car:

Looks like the media aren't accurately reporting this. Vince was still in what was left of the chasis of the car, they couldn't get him out and it instantly caught fire. The passenger was on the other side and they managed to pull the seat out because it separated, he was still alive after the impact but it took too long for the medical team to reach the scene.

RIP.

I feel for r1.rayce, but idiotic take. First saying untrained bystanders "let my boy die," like it's their job to risk their lives to get in there. That's why bystanders who do do things like that are considered heroes - it's the exception not the rule buddy. Then he continues to throw the first responders under the bus, acting like the helicopter pilots just copped the whip in GTA and flew it into the mountains. There are a ton of considerations there - flight plans, weather, airspace, terrain, density altitude, vortex ring state, etc., etc. ,etc. - even with > 2000 hrs. it's not a trivial thing to get up there and put it down....and helicopters crash.... a lot even with all things considered.
Those "bullshit protocols" are for the safety of not only the aircrew, but for passengers, first responders, bystanders at the unprepared LZ. You know, like speed limits on roads which is something he fails to mention at all.

Really a shitty situation all around though. I can't imagine what his family is going through right now...terrible, just terrible.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

Sucks we lost a great talent, but he also got someone else killed. Pretty douchey. I don't know why people risk their lives so easily. Life is fragile and precious.

 

[DeepEnigma]

After checking the temperature on that time of day (63º was the LA high, so probably a little cooler at their elevation) and yes we know he was speeding, but having raced a lot on the track and still do... that tunnel was probably very cool still and condensation on the tarmac was starting to form inside the tunnel near the exit as the sun was almost directly in the standard 12pm position (adjusted for daylight savings) when starting to warm up.

It's pretty much like hydroplaning on "black ice" hitting that road dew combined with the understeer being mid-engine off throttle at a high rate of speed. Rocks and trees aren't forgiving. Sad, man.

 

[roosnam1980]

you can hear a moan at 31 second mark

 

[Gp1]

The "Bullshit protocol" of not landing an Helicopter at the exit of a bad signalized tunnel where people tends to speed at 100+ mph with bad visibility.

Yeah right.

There was a notorious accident in my country where a helicopter (carrying a very famous news anchor) malfunctioned and the pilot tried an emergency landing right at the end of a viaduct...

It got hit so hard by a fully loaded 8*2 to a point that it was difficult to even recognize that it was a helicopter with two inside.

Might need some revision sure, but I imagine for 98% of people not doing >100 mph into a blind turn out of a tunnel it is completely adequate.

A 2% rate of accident in a public road so poorly signposted as this is unacceptable even if this road was on located in countryside's Shitholestan and not on California.

 

[Knightime_X]

Modern Warfare 2 was amazing.
Rest in peace

 

[Ishma3L]

The "Bullshit protocol" of not landing an Helicopter at the exit of a bad signalized tunnel where people tends to speed at 100+ mph with bad visibility.

Yeah right.

There was a notorious accident in my country where a helicopter (carrying a very famous news anchor) malfunctioned and the pilot tried an emergency landing right at the end of a viaduct...

It got hit so hard by a fully loaded 8*2 to a point that it was difficult to even recognize that it was a helicopter with two inside.



A 2% rate of accident in a public road so badly signalized as this is unacceptable even if this road was on located in countryside's Shitholestan and not on California.

Yea, I agree, but if you're smart enough to know the road is "so badly signalized" then you're smart enough to.......

 

[DeepEnigma]

I don't think so, he'd be eating the rock face instead. Looks like the barrier should be longer if anything to me.

It's a concrete barrier/wall, but it's in a horrible place. The barrier should start right at the entrance/exit point of the tunnel and stretch all the way around the corner with no breaks.

It also shouldn't be concrete, but I doubt a road like that will have much money put in to it, hence the lack of signage before and during the tunnel to indicate an upcoming turn over a crest.

It should have water-filled crash cushions at the very least just for public safety alone. Especially if driving at night when it's pitch black out.

 

[poppabk]

It's a concrete barrier/wall, but it's in a horrible place. The barrier should start right at the entrance/exit point of the tunnel and stretch all the way around the corner with no breaks.

It also shouldn't be concrete, but I doubt a road like that will have much money put in to it, hence the lack of signage before and during the tunnel to indicate an upcoming turn over a crest.

There is a wall that goes all the way around - stone in fact. At some point recently 3 concrete barriers were added on the outside of the stone wall and it seems that is what they hit.

 

[cHinzo]

They were doomed anyways with the stupid way he was driving.

 

[CobraAB]

Damn. RIP.

You just never know in life....

 

[GHG]

Might need some revision sure, but I imagine for 98% of people not doing >100 mph into a blind turn out of a tunnel it is completely adequate.

It's a mountain road which is bound to attract certain types of drivers/cars. In both this incident and the other one at the same spot posted in this thread there have been people standing at the exit of the tunnels filming/taking pictures which indicates it's a frequent spot where exotic/sports cars tend to pass through at full song.

A few warning signs before and in the tunnel should suffice. If they install those and people decide to ignore them, then it's firmly on those people.

Vince was in control and decided to go the speed he was going in a situation where he clearly wasn't familiar with the road, but he also wasn't at all helped or given the opportunity/warning to not make that decision. It's all very sad.

 

[P:axMagellanic]

Played so many of his games, many as a young lad. Just get your flash cars on the track, fellas.

 

[Bernardougf]

A little too much finger pointing about the reckless driving here. You've all done something spectacularly stupid at some point and none of you would deserve a bunch of posts pointing out you were being dumb before your body was even cold. Are we all this desensitized at this point?

Lol I"ll never knowingly put my life at danger... I dont jump out of planes, I dont do bungee jumping, i dont drive sports cars full throttle on a mountain road I dont know, I dont swim with sharks... you got the gist... most people can spend their whole lifes with the most stupid thing they going to do is "well lets try this new burger joint that looks kind of odd"

Thriller seeking people dont get my sympathy... be it climbing the everest, going down mountain caves or driving sports cars unsafely.

Their family's though... they deserve all the sympathy in the world for their loss.

 

[GHG]

What I'll also say/pass along for anyone reading is something my racing instructor said to me in the early part of my course - our natural instinct when we are faced with a situation like this is to save the car, that is wrong, the priority needs to be to save yourself.

So if/when faced with a situation where your know there is no or little chance for you to make a corner because you've arrived too fast you need to hold the wheel straight and hit the brakes as hard as possible. Basically pray to the ABS gods and try and slow the car down as much as possible because the slower you're going at the point of the inevitable collision, the higher your chances of survival.

What most people do is waste whatever remaining precious tarmac and tire energy there is by trying to turn (or turning while braking) when all you should be doing is braking. Realise your situation - accept the reality that the car will get destroyed - slow the thing down as much as possible and try to ensure you don't also get destroyed. Basically help the car to protect you, you want to be going as slowly as possible when you leave the tarmac, once you've left it's at that point you can/should start turning away from any barriers, because your brakes aren't going to be of much help anymore anyway.

 

[Mister Wolf]

Too bad he killed himself. Those sports cars are very dangerous in the hands of the untrained.

 

[SlimySnake]

It should have water-filled crash cushions at the very least just for public safety alone. Especially if driving at night when it's pitch black out.

ive seen some youtube documentaries on guard rails and the engineering behind them has gotten so advanced that even a hard impact like this one would be survivable. you dont even need water barrells, Modern guard rails can redirect the car and absorb the force much better. having a literal brick wall there is straight up retarded.

 

[SlimySnake]

What I'll also say/pass along for anyone reading is something my racing instructor said to me in the early part of my course - our natural instinct when we are faced with a situation like this is to save the car, that is wrong, the priority needs to be to save yourself.

So if/when faced with a situation where your know there is no or little chance for you to make a corner because you've arrived too fast you need to hold the wheel straight and hit the brakes as hard as possible. Basically pray to the ABS gods and try and slow the car down as much as possible because the slower you're going at the point of the inevitable collision, the higher your chances of survival.

What most people do is waste whatever remaining precious tarmac and tire energy there is by trying to turn (or turning while braking) when all you should be doing is braking. Realise your situation - accept the reality that the car will get destroyed - slow the thing down as much as possible and try to ensure you don't also get destroyed. Basically help the car to protect you, you want to be going as slowly as possible when you leave the tarmac, once you've left it's at that point you can/should start turning away from any barriers, because your brakes aren't going to be of much help anymore anyway.

yeah, i noticed my wife was trying to turn one day to avoid a bumper to bumper collision, and i was like thats far more dangerous. you either go on the oncoming traffic, or you end up crashing into a different car or go offroad and hit a tree or a pole. Just break hard, and hope for the best. Worst case scenario you total your car but the insurance will cover the cost and you will live with minor injuries.

 

[Sethbacca]

I don't think so, he'd be eating the rock face instead. Looks like the barrier should be longer if anything to me.

Probably should have those roadside barriers with the wires that absorb the force of impact though it probably wouldn't have mattered in this particular vehicle honestly but normal cars would benefit for sure.

 

[kruis]

There is a wall that goes all the way around - stone in fact. At some point recently 3 concrete barriers were added on the outside of the stone wall and it seems that is what they hit.

If it hadn't been for that newly installed concrete barrier he could have been alive ... in the old situation that car would just have hit the sides of that wall but now he crashed right into a completely unexpected barrier.

The people who had that barrier installed at that particular spot are just as much at fault as the reckless driver.

 

[Ishma3L]

It's a mountain road which is bound to attract certain types of drivers/cars. In both this incident and the other one at the same spot posted in this thread there have been people standing at the exit of the tunnels filming/taking pictures which indicates it's a frequent spot where exotic/sports cars tend to pass through at full song.

A few warning signs before and in the tunnel should suffice. If they install those and people decide to ignore them, then it's firmly on those people.

Vince was in control and decided to go the speed he was going in a situation where he clearly wasn't familiar with the road, but he also wasn't at all helped or given the opportunity/warning to not make that decision. It's all very sad.

Fair point.

 

[poppabk]

ive seen some youtube documentaries on guard rails and the engineering behind them has gotten so advanced that even a hard impact like this one would be survivable. you dont even need water barrells, Modern guard rails can redirect the car and absorb the force much better. having a literal brick wall there is straight up retarded.

Don't know about that - deflecting into oncoming traffic or off the side of a cliff also sounds bad. There is a hard shoulder pretty much the width of the two lane road between the road and the wall - you have to have colossally fucked up to even get close to the wall.

 

[Dorfdad]

Video is up on X do t want to li k but he was flying out of a tunnel and there was a turn looks like he wasn't able to turn and ran into the side of the wall.

 

[SlimySnake]

Comments from the guy who posted the Instagram video I linked above:

Regarding the passenger that was pulled from the car:

Looks like the media aren't accurately reporting this. Vince was still in what was left of the chasis of the car, they couldn't get him out and it instantly caught fire. The passenger was on the other side and they managed to pull the seat out because it separated, he was still alive after the impact but it took too long for the medical team to reach the scene.

RIP.

Dont trust randos. If the experts believe they cant land near something then trust their judgement. they are in the rescue business after all. He knows fuck all about saving lives, let alone piloting helicopters.

 

[SlimySnake]

Don't know about that - deflecting into oncoming traffic or off the side of a cliff also sounds bad. There is a hard shoulder pretty much the width of the two lane road between the road and the wall - you have to have colossally fucked up to even get close to the wall.

its far more sophisticated than just deflecting it. from what i remember, they are designed to hit the guard rails and instead of bouncing off of them, they gracefully careen alongside the guardrails until they come to a stop. this isnt some Japanese technology either. this was implemented in the u.s. I will try and find the vids on youtube.

 

[crazepharmacist]

There is a wall that goes all the way around - stone in fact. At some point recently 3 concrete barriers were added on the outside of the stone wall and it seems that is what they hit.

Wait wtf? So they added a concrete barrier for what? To protect the stone wall?