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Hype Check: Mass Effect 4 | Everything We Know (And Some Theories)

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Let's discuss the ME3 ending and what could follow!

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Let's talk about the obvious first:

Mass Effect 3 canon ending is the "Destroy" ending

Shepard rejects the Catalyst's other options and prioritizes eradicating the Reapers at all costs.
This ending has The Crucible Wave destroy all synthetic life form (Reapers, Geth if alive, EDI, Husks) but spares organics. It's widely considered the "best" or most hopeful by fans and developers as it breaks the Reaper cycle decisively. The Citadel and Mass Relays have suffer massive damage and won't be exploitable anymore.

We know The Destruction is canon (meaning the Reapers are indeed destroyed) and not any other choice since of the repercussions:

Other ending 1 is Synthesis which consist of a despotic end of individualism, forced DNA/mental fusion into an hive-mind like Geth consensus. The teasers for ME4 showed no sign of this (glowing skin for example).
Other ending 2 is Control, Shepard merges with the Catalyst and becomes an immortal Reaper god-AI. Reapers now obey him and "help" rebuild/fix relays but eradicate every superior race. Not canon for obvious reasons.

BioWare's clues also confirm the "Destruction" ending as canon.


The Geth Are Alive

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Now you might ask: how is the "Destroy Ending" canon if the Geth are still alive? Well, it seems some survived The Destruction thanks to their 'ark' (the massive virtual server/consensus structure built in Perseus Veil, you enter it virtually to fight heretic code/disable fighters). In short, it's a Geth 'world' beyond physical platforms.
In parallel to this, not all Geth were online during the pulse of the Destruction Ending. We have hints of this in ME4 artworks/codex. Also, the Ark is in Perseus Veil which is a nebula, so it could have protected them from the explosion of every Mass Relay. They could return as allies (post-peace with Quarians) or fragmented threat (heretic remnants?).

But now I'd like to bring your attention to the crew coming out of the ship:

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Number 1 is most likely Liara (which will play a very important role, more on that later)
Number 2 looks like a Krogan
Number 3 could be a Quarian

And they're heading into a corpse of what looks like a Geth?

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We don't have much more than this unfortunately.


A New Krogan Civil War

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An inevitable civil war among the Krogans took place after the genophage bombs (ME3 cure) stopped, leading to a massive population boom and a resource war. Multiple clan are now fighting for superiority, as a classic Krogan cycle. This post-ME3 chaos sets stage for a good ME4 conflict.
This artwork is also confirmed to take place AFTER the events of ME3 by Michael Gamble himself.


Cerberus Is Still Alive, Well, and Xeno-friendly

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Bioware said everything they share is important and has hints, and we can see on this artwork that the color choice is very reminiscent of Cerberus. You can also note the 'MR7' which could stand for 'Mass Relay 7'. This is the device that could be used to travel from the Milky Way to Andromeda. What's also obvious is that Cerberus went into an heavy 'dédiabolisation' cycle after potentially being taken over by Miranda Lawson (the famous loyal operative who defects). These new relay are build on the remains of Mass Relay as seen with the fractured center in this artwork.

The shifts from humans-only to the opening/inclusion of alien races for galactic unity can be determined thanks to the text at the bottom left. It has the name of the pilot and he is clearly not Human (most likely a Quarian):

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Kert Empire? Liara searching for answer (possibly the next big threat)?

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The Kert Empire from Andromeda can potentially invades the Milky Way via a new relay. This is teased in the MEA ending + ME4 trailers/artwork.
But just like the previous poster, I want to bring your attention to the center of the image as this is probably the most important thing we have right now:

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Look closer:

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Yes, it is indeed Liara (with a bodyguard?). We know that Asari can live much, much longer than any human so it makes sense that she's still alive.

But that's not the only thing we can deduce from this image, as the person speaking to Liara is an Angara and they are only found in the Andromeda Galaxy. The fact that Liara and an Angara are talking therefore indirectly confirms that it is now possible, in one way or another, to travel between galaxies (Hello you, the brand new 'Mass Relay 7' we saw in a previous artwork!). Another hint we have is this:

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"Andromeda distress signal detected"
Those who have played Andromeda know that the expedition (which takes 633 years to arrive) doesn't go as planned. So it's no surprise that they sent a distress signal. This would also state ME4 634 years after the events of ME3.

But above all, Liara seems to play a central role in the story, she's omnipresent in all promotional materials. Something we haven't talked yet is the audio that was found on N7 day 2022:



Full transcription:

"Some Geth talking"
Liara : "Exactly, the council will be furious. Although they should know by now not to underestimate human defiance. It always was their most defining characteristic."
"Some Geth talking more"
Liara: "I didn't see it. How did we miss this?"

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The actress who plays Liara also confirmed that she did the VA for both this teaser, and this one:



Liara climbs what looks like a mountain, but it's actually a Reaper (and another one can be seen in the background as she climbs).

Full transcription:

[0:00 - 0:08] "We know now that in the early years of the 20th century, this world was being watched."
[0:16] "Roger. Copy. Eagle, Houston. You're go for landing. Over."
[0:21 - 0:26] "Arcturus Station. Unknown vessel approaching. We need first contact protocols."
[0:27 - 0:29] "Humanity now stands as partners of the galaxy."
[0:32 - 0:34] (Hackett?): "Ark 6 is away. Godspeed."
[0:39 - 0:45] "What's that?" / "Oh my god." / "Gonna take down the dreadnought." / "Engines are going crazy." / "Abandon ship!"
[0:44] Sovereign-class Reaper roar: "BLAAARRRGHHHH."
[0:47 - 0:51] "Is anyone receiving this? We've lost contact."
[0:52 - 1:02] [Inaudible/mumbled]: Anomaly readings? / Computerized voice / "Over".

These lines recap the ME timeline: First Contact War → Citadel accession → Andromeda Arks → Reaper invasion.

I think that's it for now, feel free to quote me if I missed anything or if you want to add something. I created this thread after watching this video (it's in French, sorry) and I realized I missed some information. So why not sharing a recap.
 
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OK EA. I'll bite. Want to redeem yourself?

- Return to the promises of Mass Effect 1
- Make politics a bigger part of the game. Not just the main story path. I want to have serious faction flexibility here
- Deep characters. Even some who aren't young, urban and quippy. Publicly fire the team responsible for Jacob. We need proof you're sorry
- Nerd shit like making the mining mini gamer deeper for no good reason. I was to be able to do geological core samples and choose how to refine and industrialize it
- Pause based combat so there can be meaningful use of powers. Plus, I don't want my MC to be a dirty magic user, but I want to use magic, so full squad control is a must
- Good physics-based vehicle sections with a focus on terrain deformation and its effects on off-roading. Buy the SnowRunner team and have them get to work on Mars Runner basically. This will add a lot of much need gravity and weight to the planets and give a textured feeling to exploration. Spare no expense here.
- Give the gun combat a nice snappy mix of hit scan and projectile weapons. I don't want this to turn into an action shooter, but there should still be some solid chops. Make it grounded and physics based like GTA and RDR, but crispy and snappy.
- Don't even bother with the technical rabbit hole that is seamless space to planet traversal. People are silly. The biggest open world games of all time are many times smaller than a city. Complete planets are a slop filled fool's errand at best. Get your PR team well equipped with reality checking naive fans on this question. It works for No Man's Sky because it's not meant to be a serious game. That version of it would kill the tone we're trying to achieve.
- Tone. Do not go any lighter or cheerier than Star Trek Deep Space 9. I prefer we go deeper and darker, I'm just giving you that as my "marvel ceiling". That's as far as I'm willing to go, even then it must be used sparingly. This needs to be dry as shit to filter most of the streamer women (so only the real OGs remain. Not kicking out Lauren).
 
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They should properly return to and address the ME3 ending instead of continuously running away from it like pussies, as the franchise (and Bioware itself) has been in freefall since it happened.

Oh, and Shep and co should absolutely return.

But aside from that, the chances of this releasing are slim and the chances of it being good are even slimmer. There is a high chance Andrew "bond villain" Wilson wakes up one day and decides to shut the whole thing down.
 
how can anyone be hyped for it after Veilguard?
Only because EA has the money to completely replace every creative at Bioware if they really want to and use my design doc posted above with a bunch of cool DICE mercenaries and other shady, Eastern European technical types. If the people employed at Bioware today are making it, I'm just sad I can't buy highly irresponsible option spreads betting against it timed around the launch. That's the real downside of these publishers going private. Right when we learned how to make decent change betting against them, we're losing the ability to.
 
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I love Mass Effect. It's my favorite game series of all time. I have zero faith this game even releases at this point. And if it does, I have zero faith it's not trash like Veilgard.

Having said that, I hope I'm wrong and if it actually releases I'll be there day one hating myself for being there day one.

Also, I hate Liara. If a new ME game somehow sees the light of day I want nothing to do with Liara. I'm so over her being shoe-horned into the trilogy as some super important character. She's awful. Has always been awful. And will always be awful.
 
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There's nothing wrong with them doing a story/timeline before any of the reaper shit.

Or just a complete reboot in the same universe. Doesn't need to continue from the ending of 3.

After Andromeda and failguard. Zero faith.
 
The doctors are gone
Casey Hudson is gone
Drew Karpshyn is gone

If any of you have any faith in this new one (if it even releases) you're officially retarded.

Did everyone already forget about DA Veilguard?

If you did, drop and give me a dozen barves.
 
Remember that the people sent in to get Veilguard over the line were pulled from the Mass Effect team. The rot is already there, and it's deep.
 
OK EA. I'll bite. Want to redeem yourself?

- Return to the promises of Mass Effect 1
- Make politics a bigger part of the game. Not just the main story path. I want to have serious faction flexibility here
- Deep characters. Even some who aren't young, urban and quippy. Publicly fire the team responsible for Jacob. We need proof you're sorry
- Nerd shit like making the mining mini gamer deeper for no good reason. I was to be able to do geological core samples and choose how to refine and industrialize it
- Pause based combat so there can be meaningful use of powers. Plus, I don't want my MC to be a dirty magic user, but I want to use magic, so full squad control is a must
- Good physics-based vehicle sections with a focus on terrain deformation and its effects on off-roading. Buy the SnowRunner team and have them get to work on Mars Runner basically. This will add a lot of much need gravity and weight to the planets and give a textured feeling to exploration. Spare no expense here.
- Give the gun combat a nice snappy mix of hit scan and projectile weapons. I don't want this to turn into an action shooter, but there should still be some solid chops. Make it grounded and physics based like GTA and RDR, but crispy and snappy.
- Don't even bother with the technical rabbit hole that is seamless space to planet traversal. People are silly. The biggest open world games of all time are many times smaller than a city. Complete planets are a slop filled fool's errand at best. Get your PR team well equipped with reality checking naive fans on this question. It works for No Man's Sky because it's not meant to be a serious game. That version of it would kill the tone we're trying to achieve.
- Tone. Do not go any lighter or cheerier than Star Trek Deep Space 9. I prefer we go deeper and darker, I'm just giving you that as my "marvel ceiling". That's as far as I'm willing to go, even then it must be used sparingly. This needs to be dry as shit to filter most of the streamer women (so only the real OGs remain. Not kicking out Lauren).
I agree with everything here except the bolded parts. We can axe the vehicle entirely if the game will be hub-based and not open world. I don't mind an on-rails section but investing in vehicle physics will be ultimately a thankless money sink since neither the MAKO or Hammerhead sections were that brilliant, or necessarily needed.

I'm also against the pause mechanic. Maybe a slowdown would be more functional when/if an ability was activated or something. Mass Effect is not Dragon Age: Origins, lets not conflate the two.

KyoZz KyoZz I'm glad that you're hyped foe ME4 and I was as well at some point, but I simply have no hope that the game will be anything above mediocre. Its not about the graphics, or physics, or combat; its all about the mature and multi-layered writing and worldbuilding that made me love Mass Effect. Old Bioware is gone.
 
Look. They're going to ruin it more. There's absolutely zero reason to think anything else. I'll be beyond happy to be wrong…

Just give me the vibe, intelligence, and excellent writing of ME1 with a little less of the jank associated with that entry. Bring back the original writer. If you cant do that then get lost.
 
BioWare is a cover band at this point. I'd be shocked if ten creatives who worked on ME3 even still work there. And while that's not required, every game they've made post ME3 is rough. I can't imagine how anyone could be excited for this but I almost admire that level of optimism.
 
I am a huge Mass Effect fan. The Trilogy is in my top 3 of all time, hell I think Andromeda is a -good- game. I've been following the teasers pretty closely and I really REALLY hope we get a great Mass Effect game.

I like that Destroy is the cannonical ending, it makes sense, part of me wishes they leaned into the whole "Indoctrination Theory" because it was so compelling and there is obvious in-game proof of it (intentional or not)

Having Liara return is a great call, she is bae and seeing her in the trailer did more for my hype than anything.

Having a Krogan Civil war will be interesting, I'm assuming Wrex is dead and it's a matter of "return to the old days vs peaceful ways". It also adds some color to your choice of curing the Genophage not necessarily being the 'correct' choice, especially if the Krogans are trying to expand again in great numbers.

The geth returning will be interesting, especially with how they decide to tie them with the Quarians - last we left them taking back the Quarian homeworld. I'm asuuming these Geth (though probably not all) are aligned with the Citadel.. there could also be tension with humans for.. you know.. deciding to wipe out the majority of synthetic life.

Yes. I am hype. I hope they make a great fucking game again man, it's long overdue.
 
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I'm not saying the game will be good, nor that BioWare is still capable of making a good game.
But it's still Mass Effect and of course, I'll be following its release very closely. I'm a huge fan of the series and I have virtually no hope that a new installment will be good. But there's always that tiny chance...

I'm hoping for the best, but I'm ready for the worst.
 
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I'm not saying the game will be good, nor that BioWare is still capable of making a good game.
But it's still Mass Effect and of course, I'll be following its release very closely. I'm a huge fan of the series and I have virtually no hope that a new installment will be good. But there's always that tiny chance...

I'm hoping for the best, but I'm ready for the worst.
I mean sure, I would LOVE to get a proper ME game. However I think we are more in this sort of a situation :

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Who's writing the story? The last Dragon Age had awful writing, with some of the worst dialog and no real difference between the choices of dialog.
 
Who's writing the story? The last Dragon Age had awful writing, with some of the worst dialog and no real difference between the choices of dialog.
Mary Demarie is the Senior Narrative Director of Mass Effect 4.

She worked on Deus Ex: Human Revolution and Mankind Divided as lead writer as well at the Guardians of the Galaxy game.
 
I mean sure, I would LOVE to get a proper ME game. However I think we are more in this sort of a situation :

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That's were I was before digging a bit honestly. Bioware already in the trash since *look at the release of DA: Inquisition* well 2014 and absolutely no hope left after Andromeda/Veilguard. I was already acting like the studio was dead.

But then I started looking into what we already know. And I think what they've put together so far is actually pretty great. The development time is also a sign that they want to do things right, some people think the project is canceled because it's taking forever but I don't see that as a bad thing. It just takes time.
Also I wouldn't be surprised if the first few years were spent mapping a coherent and solid story (at least I hope so, dont do a SW7/8/9). And again, what we've seen so far really seems to be heading in the right direction.

But I'm ready to bring out the Molotov cocktails if the game is still a complete and utter piece of shit.

as well at the Guardians of the Galaxy game

It's a good game, very underrated! It's a better GoTG movie than the movies themselves. Far better.
 
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I agree with everything here except the bolded parts. We can axe the vehicle entirely if the game will be hub-based and not open world. I don't mind an on-rails section but investing in vehicle physics will be ultimately a thankless money sink since neither the MAKO or Hammerhead sections were that brilliant, or necessarily needed.

I'm also against the pause mechanic. Maybe a slowdown would be more functional when/if an ability was activated or something. Mass Effect is not Dragon Age: Origins, lets not conflate the two.

KyoZz KyoZz I'm glad that you're hyped foe ME4 and I was as well at some point, but I simply have no hope that the game will be anything above mediocre. Its not about the graphics, or physics, or combat; its all about the mature and multi-layered writing and worldbuilding that made me love Mass Effect. Old Bioware is gone.
I liked it. I felt like it was worth expanding on. I want that to be where the player gets their impression of the planet. Digging through that terrain in the Mako will help imprint the different words onto the player. This lets us narrow the scope of the on-foot elements with a nice meaty chunk of gameplay worth investing some resources into. RDR2 taught us how important absorbing aura is as a gameplay element.
 
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I'm not saying the game will be good, nor that BioWare is still capable of making a good game.
But it's still Mass Effect and of course, I'll be following its release very closely. I'm a huge fan of the series and I have virtually no hope that a new installment will be good. But there's always that tiny chance...

I'm hoping for the best, but I'm ready for the worst.

I think absolutly everyone of us would prefer getting a great game, but imo it's going to take some drastic changes internally at modern day Bioware for that to happen.

For what it's worth, I hope you're right.
 
I would like to think this is cool or exciting - but for me it just isn't. Mass Effect was effectively a one hit wonder for me, sadly. I really, really love the first game, but the series immediately started going downhill for me. Each subsequent game moved farther away from what I liked about it and, of course, we all know what happened with Andromeda.

But I'm not completely closed off to the idea - I'd buy and play an amazing Mass Effect 4, but I'm doubtful it will look back to the roots and expect it will be too modern and streamlined.
 
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I'm not saying the game will be good, nor that BioWare is still capable of making a good game.
But it's still Mass Effect and of course, I'll be following its release very closely. I'm a huge fan of the series and I have virtually no hope that a new installment will be good. But there's always that tiny chance...

I'm hoping for the best, but I'm ready for the worst.
After Andromeda and Veilguard I don't have any hope anymore. Bioware is dead as can be to me.
 
Im looking more towards Exodus and Owlcats Expanse game for my mass effect fix than anything Bioware can out forward.

After Anthem, Andromeda and Vielguard there's no way I see an actual return to form. Any game they make will be mechanically poor and have dogshit hack writing.
 
Hype? Hell no. Don't do this to yourself. Didn't you learn your lesson after Andromeda, Anthem, and Veilguard?

I'm assuming it's going to be a big stinking pile of shit, so bad it causes EA to euthanize BioWare for good this time. I will assume that until proven otherwise.
 
My hype levels:

Exodus => That Expanse game >> Mass Effect 4

I think Mister Wolf Mister Wolf might agree with me on the rankings here.

It's not that I have no hope, it's just that a lot needs to go right for Mass Effect 4 to be a good game with a good story.

It needs to not feel like The TMNT 3/Mummy 3/Terminator 3/Lethal Weapon 4 of sequels.
 
What kind of hype are we talking about? This is a modern, "updated" BioWare. If the written story and dialogue don't make you slap your face while playing, it will already be a success for them...
 
No more assuming direct control?
The indoctrination theory (Harbinger mind-controls Shepard)? Nah it's been debunked and the DLC 'Leviathan' confirms everything as real events.

Until we see what it looks like and how it plays, everyone should keep their hype reserved.
I think we can safely assume that the game will be beautiful, and I'm not worried about the gameplay either after Andromeda which was truly solid from that point of view.
The writing is what's gonna make or break this game imo. Yet you are right, I can't help but being excited to see a new Mass Effect but damn, 2025 Bioware...
 
EA should've died, but it still lives through the infinite sports casino money glitch.
I didn't hear about any mass firing of the bioware teams following veilguard, so it means it'll be the same braindead trash as ever.

Go fuck yourself EA.

I stand with Marauder Shields.
 
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That is the amount of hype that is within me for Mass Effect 4.
It will never touch the first 3.
The studio is effectively dead to me and there is very little they can do to win me back.

It would take gutting the studio and finding extremely passionate people who are laser focused on putting out the best space themed rpg in a decade or more.

Is that harsh? Yes it is, but after whatever it is Dragon Age was supposed to be, I lost interest in their entire output.

It ticks me off because this used to be such a Great Studio.
 
EA should've died, but it still lives through the infinite sports casino money glitch.
I didn't hear about any mass firing of the bioware teams following veilguard, so it means it'll be the same braindead trash as ever.

Go fuck yourself EA.

I stand with Marauder Shields.
Welp:

 
My hype levels:

Exodus => That Expanse game >> Mass Effect 4

I think Mister Wolf Mister Wolf might agree with me on the rankings here.

It's not that I have no hope, it's just that a lot needs to go right for Mass Effect 4 to be a good game with a good story.

It needs to not feel like The TMNT 3/Mummy 3/Terminator 3/Lethal Weapon 4 of sequels.

Yeah, Exodus has some interesting world building. Awakened animals as intelligent as humans. Evolved offshoots of humanity that now have become oppressors. Planet moving machines. Velocity Time Dilation being factored in and being a mechanic in the game. There is a lot. The Expanse as a world doesn't interest me as much. Maybe if the game took place after the gates were constructed and humanity started colonizing other solar systems and encountering remnants alien technology. This upcoming game take place before that. Best we will get is protomolecule infected humans and that's kinda boring compared to what Exodus offers. With Mass Effect I have zero faith in Bioware after Veilguard.
 
Yeah, Exodus has some interesting world building. Awakened animals as intelligent as humans. Evolved offshoots of humanity that now have become oppressors. Planet moving machines. Velocity Time Dilation being factored in and being a mechanic in the game. There is a lot.
That's exactly what intrigues me about it too. There's already a lot of lore being built which shows the dedication of the team behind it. The storytellers, editing, and scene direction just have to pull through enough for it to be good.
The Expanse as a world doesn't interest me as much. Maybe if the game took place after the gates were constructed and humanity started colonizing other solar systems and encountering remnants alien technology. This upcoming game take place before that. Best we will get is protomolecule infected humans and that's kinda boring compared to what Exodus offers.
Kind of agree, and also it has pre-existing lore and a TV show to work with (as a sort of cheat code for the game itself) which is why Exodus edges out above it to me (for now).

Edit: Actually, you know what Mister Wolf Mister Wolf , I think the Expanse game could end up good if they manage to nail that Space slums/Cyber slums feeling that you experience in the first part of a lot of sci-fi games, but just have it as the full game like that Xbox Riddick game.
 
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Welp:

I don't like to see people lose their jobs, but that seems like the only way to save a Part 4. They need passion not politics.
 
That's exactly what intrigues me about it too. There's already a lot of lore being built which shows the dedication of the team behind it. The storytellers, editing, and scene direction just have to pull through enough for it to be good.

Kind of agree, and also it has pre-existing lore and a TV show to work with (as a sort of cheat code for the game itself) which is why Exodus edges out above it to me (for now).

Edit: Actually, you know what Mister Wolf Mister Wolf , I think the Expanse game could end up good if they manage to nail that Space slums/Cyber slums feeling that you experience in the first part of a lot of sci-fi games, but just have it as the full game like that Xbox Riddick game.

I think Expanse will be good and I'm definitely buying it, but I'm more of a Science Fantasy type Science Fiction fan like Star Wars, Star Trek, Dune, and The Foundation than the more grounded Sci-fi of Starfield and The Expanse. Mostly fighting various factions of humans with realistic technology is dull to me compared to what Exodus and potentially Mass Effect can offer.
 
I just replayed the whole trilogy via the Legendary Edition a few months ago. I did my standard "pretty lady Shep lesbian with Liara" run that I do every few years. Still amazing; still love Jennifer Hale and Ali Hillis in those roles.

If this new ME game is based around Liara, that makes me very interested to see what they do with it - especially considering the revised ending to ME3 with the little stinger at the end. I can hold out hope for something good.
 
There are some places they could take the franchise, but I just have no faith whatsoever that Bioware can deliver anymore.

I'll wait to see if they can prove me wrong, but nothing will get me to buy day one until I see a chunk of people play it, and know if there is actually something there vs cope.

I have more interest/faith that either Exodus or The Expanse: Osiris Reborn will be more compelling than the leftovers at Bioware can make.
 
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