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GameSpot: How Nintendo Won The Console War
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DenchDeckard
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You think the ps5 has more market share than the switch and switch 2?
How is that possible?
Also, to me when I am actually really calculating the strength of a brand and it's popularity. There is a lot to take in.
I think Sony is huge in gaming but compared to Nintendo they are considerably behind in overall mindshare, sales, exlclusives, shit everything about them puts them as more successful and popular than Sony.
I don't know what metric you are talking about but if it is just revenue then that goes against what most people on here talk about.
Revenue doesn't mean shit.
daclynk
Member
oh so excuses for Sony i see.
So in the end Microsoft makes more and is larger than both.
PeteBull
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Their next article gonna be "How Nazi Germany won WW2, deep dive" 
Srsly tho, ninny's last proper stationary console was gamecube, wii from 2006 was already scaled back hardwarespecs wise so it eats 14Watts from the wall so that was company throwing the towel. Its competitiors aka ps360 were eating 84-90Watts.
Srsly tho, ninny's last proper stationary console was gamecube, wii from 2006 was already scaled back hardwarespecs wise so it eats 14Watts from the wall so that was company throwing the towel. Its competitiors aka ps360 were eating 84-90Watts.
Notice he said Playstation not PS5. While a lot of the 3DS audience moved on to Switch the number of PS4 users is still significant. Switch isn't really part of the home console gens. It's doing its own thing and normally getting games later.
Switch released in 2017 and if you do 2017 to 2025 Playstation has sold a lot of units. Playstation marketshare globally is likely leading. It's why their MAU in a month is greater than Nintendos in a year because it's a bigger audience that's playing across more devices. Though I don't trust that stat that much either because I believe fewer Switch owners play online and stick to offline only.
if you want to lump it into a "gen" then my question is why are you comparing PS5 to Switch 1 + Switch 2? Wouldn't PS4 + PS5 vs Switch 1 + Switch 2 then become more appropriate?
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Whatever way you slice it, I find it hard to accept an argument that there can ever be considered a "winner" when there remain two highly successful competitors in the race!
Nintendo and Sony may be in the same businesses, but the reality is they barely compete.
Neither company shifts their launch schedules around to react to what the other is doing. Which I think has to be a crucial observable component of a true competitive environment.
Nintendo and Sony may be in the same businesses, but the reality is they barely compete.
Neither company shifts their launch schedules around to react to what the other is doing. Which I think has to be a crucial observable component of a true competitive environment.
Trilobit
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I was going to write that, but I had some hidden memory in the back of my head that you could get banned if you went around calling people that.
We're called SonyPonies
Matsuchezz
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Nintendo is the king of kiddie games and that is a fact, and to name them as the best first party is very subjective. Nintendo is good at regurgitating characters to death. They are way behind with what modern videogames offer, their ancient way of game design is still present and the most palpable examples are Metroid Prime 4 and Mario Kart World, pretty forgettable games. Nintendo is out of touch with state of the art tech, animation, sound, stories, but they are charging $$ like they're not. The best assest they have now is Monolithsoft.
Avid Reading Horse
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CentralScrutinizer
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No size of boobs counteracts horse face.Indeed, everyone should review these definitions.
SpongeMonster30
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There's always gonna be a place for Nintendo. They've cornered the hardware market for kiddies. Meanwhile, Xbox has failed so hard they lost to a console nobody has heard of. It's a interesting case of how brand identity is important to maintaining long-term success.
HRK69
Gold Member
Funny how "out of touch" companies keep outselling everyone else
SEGAvangelist
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They did. Nintendo won.
CentralScrutinizer
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Matsuchezz
Member
Since i am not an Investor on Nintendo i couldn't care less if they are outselling everyone. what only matters to me is that their games look like crap, are animated like crap, the games sound like shit, and lately the games play like shit as well. and the stories on their games are for toddlers. and that is not funny.
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Sinozen
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And yet I have literally zero desire for the Switch 2. Lifelong Nintendo fanboy, but I genuinely feel disgusted with this company and what they've become. It's a 180 from the Nintendo I grew up on. Japan numbers are misleading asf because the console is significantly cheaper. The sales we've seen so far are just units sold to stores. You can find the Switch 2 everywhere. It's not doing well in the west, this is propaganda for them.
But winning the console war is kind of silly when Xbox is dead and Sony is just doing the same old shit. PC gaming is gaming now, it's bigger than any of this console nonsense. Consoles are for normies who don't play games or are stuck in the past. Deck owners hands down still have the superior handheld despite it being older.
But winning the console war is kind of silly when Xbox is dead and Sony is just doing the same old shit. PC gaming is gaming now, it's bigger than any of this console nonsense. Consoles are for normies who don't play games or are stuck in the past. Deck owners hands down still have the superior handheld despite it being older.
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HRK69
Gold Member
So what's your actual point here?
That Nintendo makes games you personally hate... but millions of people (including critics) love them enough to make them massive bestsellers?
That they're "out of touch" while absolutely dominating sales, hardware, and cultural impact?
Or just that you're mad your hyper-realistic graphic fetish isn't being catered to by a company that's been printing money for decades doing the exact opposite?
Because all I'm hearing is "I don't like it" dressed up as objective fact. Grow up.
Bit of stretch here. nintendo is hit and miss. ps5 already almost doubled the revenue of switch 1 and it still has way more life left so it's nof dominating anything, well except japan.
CentralScrutinizer
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I agree / disagree with you in regards to PC and console gaming. I love gaming on PC, but there is always justification and a market desire for a cheaper easier alternative and Switch fits that role perfectly. PlayStation is the system that has to worry about the growth of PC gaming; if Switch can thrive despite mobile being a juggernaut, they'll be fine alongside PC.
Matsuchezz
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My point is that Nintendo makes subpar games, that are heralded as the second coming of Christ which they are not, they sell all the millions in sw and hw and make all the cultural impact you mentioned, I belive PS5 is doing the same, but somehow Nintendo is special and has a fun secret sauce that belongs only to them.
I own a Switch 2 with MArio Kart World and Metroid Prime 4 and a few more games that received the SW2 upgrade.
I am not mad because they are printing money, you are probably an investor, that keeps calling this as a great feature for gamers.
All the shortcomings that I mentioned are also facts, they sell a lot of everything that is a fact, they even sell the shit ameebos and God only knows why. Gotta run party with the family.
Danjin44
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According to who? To you? Just because you personally don't like them doesn't make them "subpar".
Buggy Loop
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I can hear him typing, like a ghost of neogaf
CentralScrutinizer
Member
He was the best of us. He agitated fanboys and never took the bait. I need to learn that ethos.
I can hear him typing, like a ghost of neogaf
HRK69
Gold Member
Your "facts" = personal butthurt.
And you even own a Switch 2? Why buy the "subpar crap" Switch 2 if it looks/sounds/play like shit?
Your wallet voted HARDER than your seethe
darrylgorn
Member
Nintendo won guys.
Time to go home and play your video games.
Time to go home and play your video games.
HRK69
Gold Member
PS5 "doubled Switch revenue"? Laughable fan fiction. Nintendo's 1.45B software units print billions Sony loses chasing
Switch 2: 10.36M in 6 months (2x attach already) and literally dominating launches while PS5 limps
The PlayStation 5 (PS5) has generated over $136 billion in total revenue for Sony's gaming division in its first five year
As of late 2025, the original Nintendo Switch (Switch 1) has sold over 154 million hardware units and generated well over $80 billion in lifetime revenue
I mean it's not close in terms of revenue also ps5 is outselling switch 2 badly in November WW as well. we will see what happens in December, the only thing that's laughable fanfiction is switch 2 is dominating the gaming market cause it's not.
CentralScrutinizer
Member
Who needs exclusive games to play when you are winning the revenue game due to Fortnite, fifa, and cod? Also, PS5s revenue is inflated due to the console itself costing much more than OG Switch and Sony charging a lot more for their online subscriptions in comparison to Nintendo. You're talking over triple the cost for the base tier online fee and as much as double the cost for the system depending on SKUs.
All that revenue and Sony can't push out more than two games a year max.
But Sony making more revenue is fine. It's healthy for the industry. I'd just be hesitant in using that as a metric of "more successful". Heck, the script can easily be flipped by saying despite the much higher revenue PlayStation pulls in, Nintendo systems pull in more raw profit.
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He is the one saying the nintendo is dominating the industry. when you look at where the industry is selling games it's ps5/PC for the most part. switch is only selling nintendo games, i know it has had some successful third-party games but as whole the industry is eating on playstation and PC.
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Sinozen
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PC gaming comes in many flavors. It IS waaaay cheaper than consoles, especially with Nintendo charging $80 games and the same price as a Deck. You might pay more for hardware, but that's your choice. PC is not anymore difficult than a console experience as well. That's an old early 2000s stereotype. It's as simple or complicated as you want it.
Nintendo has been running on fumes of their past. They'll always exist, but they are not the juggernaut they once were in gaming. People are getting priced out of their stuff and it's the same for Sony and Microsoft. I honestly feel that consoles are going too just cease to exist at some point because their business models are not sustainable.
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CentralScrutinizer
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154 systems sold and on the road to being the best selling hardware ever. Fastest selling console of all time launch aligned. More 20+ million first party sellers on Switch alone than Sony (first party) has ever had on all systems (I'm not fact checking that, but I'm probably right)...
"... the industry is eating on PlayStation and PC."
I would 100% agree with this statement in 2016 when Wii U and 3DS were Nintendos current systems. But now in 2025 their narrative and trajectory has completely changed. They aren't running on the fumes of their past considering the Switch-era Nintendo sold on levels that have never been seen before by them. I'd argue those "fumes" is what made them stall during the 3DS/WiiU gen, but the Switch gen ended up being a new beginning and a sort of "start over" for them and their franchises.
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154 systems sold and on the road to being the best selling hardware ever. Fastest selling console of all time launch aligned. More 20+ million first party sellers on Switch alone than Sony (first party) has ever had on all systems...
"... the industry is eating on PlayStation and PC."
Way to miss the point when i talk about industry i'm not talking about nintendo. nintendo is one company where are the rest of the industry selling games? example sekiro, elden ring, capcom, EA, cyberpunk, cod, and namco, yea the vast majority of the industry is eating on ps5/pc just a basic fact.154 systems sold and on the road to being the best selling hardware ever. Fastest selling console of all time launch aligned. More 20+ million first party sellers on Switch alone than Sony (first party) has ever had on all systems (I'm not fact checking that, but I'm probably right)...
"... the industry is eating on PlayStation and PC."
I would 100% agree with this statement in 2016 when Wii U and 3DS were Nintendos current systems. But now in 2025 their narrative and trajectory has completely changed. They aren't running on the fumes of their past considering the Switch-era Nintendo sold on levels that have never been seen before by them. I'd argue those "fumes" is what made them stall during the 3DS/WiiU gen, but the Switch gen ended up being a new beginning and a sort of "start over" for them and their franchises.
CentralScrutinizer
Member
You can't selectively remove Nintendo and their sales from the industry to try to fit a narrative about the "industry" not being successful on Nintendo. With exception to CoD, Minecraft and GTA, Nintendo franchises had sold more units on Switch than those other publishers sold of their own games on PS5/XS/ and PC.
What you're doing is trying to dismiss Switch's relevance in the industry because "only first party games sell on it" but you're ignoring the fact that Nintendo first party sales make up a massive chunk of the overall gaming industry. It's yet another semantic argument you fanboys play to try to prove a point or to feel better about yourselves. "See, Nintendo isn't successful because they're not a part of the industry that I, totally not suspiciously, defined as only Playstation and PC."
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Sinozen
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154 systems sold and on the road to being the best selling hardware ever. Fastest selling console of all time launch aligned. More 20+ million first party sellers on Switch alone than Sony (first party) has ever had on all systems (I'm not fact checking that, but I'm probably right)...
"... the industry is eating on PlayStation and PC."
I would 100% agree with this statement in 2016 when Wii U and 3DS were Nintendos current systems. But now in 2025 their narrative and trajectory has completely changed. They aren't running on the fumes of their past considering the Switch-era Nintendo sold on levels that have never been seen before by them. I'd argue those "fumes" is what made them stall during the 3DS/WiiU gen, but the Switch gen ended up being a new beginning and a sort of "start over" for them and their franchises.
Switch was an innovative console with a lot of support. It was the first to popularize bringing console like experiences on the go which created appeal towards core gamers and also appealed to normies because it was cheap and accessible. Now in 2025 the Switch 2 barely offers a better graphical experience than a Steam Deck for the same price as one while charging premiums on subpar games and services. The market is saturated with handhelds now. Switch 2 is arguably the safest and least innovative console Nintendo has ever made. They're running off the fumes of their Switch 1 success. All of this success is just propaganda, the dust will settle. People will really see where Nintendo is at.
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CentralScrutinizer
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You're correct with the bolder statement, but that's exactly what the market demanded.
You can't with a straight face tell me the market is saturated with handhelds when every other system that isn't Switch only sold 10mil units combined.
Yes, Switch 2 is barely more power than a Steam Deck, but let's be real here, there's absolutely zero completion for Nintendo in the handheld space. Steam Deck and ROG ally being relevant at all in regards to being a competitor to Switch is the most terminally online bubble brain thought I've ever seen. "Gamers" / "consumers", based on the data alone, literally don't give a shit about those handhelds.
Sinozen
Member
What you're misunderstanding is that PC handhelds are PCs. They're just a different form factor of PC and PC eats Nintendo's lunch. That is what gaming is now. I bring up Steam Deck and these other handhelds because it effects Nintendo's pull on core gamers. This isn't 2017 where you can't get that experience anywhere else. Nintendo lost their niche, they're running on past success, and as time goes on they're going to have to justify those premiums they're trying to push. Without leaders like Iwata is that gonna happen though? Doubt it.
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I never said they weren't part of the industry but you can't dominate the industry when most the industry are selling there games on ps5/pc. who do you think has way more subs and communities playing online. PC/PS5 move way more software are way more important for the whole industry, while switch 1 is only really important for nintendo, yes with some exceptions.
spookyfish
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Was thinking "I'm tired, boss." gif—but I like this one better.
Saint Boot Gaming
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fallingdove
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Revenue doesn't mean shit?
How are you calculating strength of brand and popularity? Voodoo metrics quantified by biased surveys? Social media likes perhaps? Google searches? Number of people dressed as Mario and Luigi on Halloween? GigaBowser threads? Something highly scientific I'm sure.
It makes sense why you shilled for Xbox as long as you did. You thought they were winning.
T0minator
Member
Its strange to say a console brand has won when it hasn't had a library consisting of GOTY games for several years.
There's so many great/quality games that Nintendo consoles miss out on.
I guess we can debate if Nintendo or PlayStation "won" but there's one certainty, Xbox definitely lost.
There's so many great/quality games that Nintendo consoles miss out on.
I guess we can debate if Nintendo or PlayStation "won" but there's one certainty, Xbox definitely lost.
Shadowstar39
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They are not wrong. If it wasn't for gt7, silent hill 2 (also on PC) and a few 3rd party games what does ps5 have exclusive wise? And Xbox, lol... Same just as bad.
Switch 1/2 has been a gold mine of exclusives and now with switch 2 it can play 3rd party even better.
Switch 1/2 has been a gold mine of exclusives and now with switch 2 it can play 3rd party even better.
yurinka
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It isn't what I think, it's what their fiscal reports say and what is also shown in Sony's+IDG market share graph.
It's possible because PlayStation generates more revenue selling hardware, more revenue selling software, more revenue selling accesories and more revenue selling game subs than Nintendo. And the market share is measured in percentage of revenue by IDG or Sony.
PlayStation (4+5) has more market share than Switch (1+2), yes. All four consoles are in the market and selling hardware and software and each brand reports the revenue per brand, not per specific console.
You mention "popularity" or "mindshare" when you mean your own personal taste.
I talked about market share, which means the percentage of revenue made by each company in a given market, as shown by Sony in theri fiscal report and by IDG (one of the main gaming market analyst firms).
And revenue is one of the most important KPIs to analyze how relevant is a company. As an example, PlayStation generates almost 3x the revenue compared to Nintendo so it's easy to see there that it's laughable to claim Nintendo has more 'popularity' or 'mindshare'. If you don't like revenue, you can also see that PS4+PS5 sold more units than Switch 1+2, or that PS has in just a month (December) almost the same active userbase that Nintendo has in during an entire year.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Popularity, revenue doesn't mean shit. I could sell something at 10p while you sell one tenth of the the amount at a million pounds a unit. That doesn't mean you are more popular or have more share.
Yes you generate revenue but you are only comparing share as revenue which is wrong.
Most businesses focus on share by value but there is also share by volume.
A lot of businesses prefer revenue over units, that's why they talk about it more. It's because a business would rathwr generate cash than share in units. If something costs less it needs to sell more to equal revenue.
If you think Sonya brand is more popular than Nintendo in mindshare then all the power to you.
Nintendo has theme parks, movies at the cinema, merch, toys and much much more.
Nintendo is on a whole other level in popularity than Sony.
If you suddenly want to compare revenue then that's on you.
How is Sonys profit Vs Nintendo? That's another sign of popularity.
What margins do a company make as if they are in high demand and popular they can make more profit selling their products higher etc.
UltimaKilo
Gold Member
Kind of, although I don't understand the fanboyism, you're all right:
PlayStation fir the last complete FY: ¥4.67T revenue, ¥415B operating income.
Nintendo: just over ¥1.17T revenue, ¥283B operating income.
That means that Nintendo is running 24.2% margin vs PS 8.9%.
Neither are nowhere near the behemoths like Apple at 31.6%, Microsoft at 44.7%, Google at 32%, etc.
For reference, Sony in its entirety runs at 10.1% margin.
However, PlayStation's market cap is $95 billion (35x $2.7B op. income) and Nintendo's is $80 billion. Both are respectable companies.
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yurinka
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If gaming makes $200B/year and a company makes $30B it has more market share than other one that makes $10B.
SIE makes more profit than Nintendo since a few years ago despite having spent more in acquisitions, despite spending more money making hardware, despite spending more money on making a bigger amount and more expensive first party games, despite signing more deals with third parties for their console, despite spending more on signing 3rd party games for their gamesub and despite mantaining a cloud gaming platform.
The important metric is revenue and not so much profit because if they make $30B they can decide if they keep them sitting in the bank as profits or if they reinvest them in things like the ones mentioned above.
And for a company is better to make $30B and reinvest $27B keeping $3B as profit than to make $10B and reinvest $7B keeping $3B as profit. Because in the future thes $27B will generate more money than the $7B. That's why normally the main KPI to check the performance and market share is revenue and not profit.
Apple, MS, Google do a lot of money outside gaming. But in gaming the market leader is Sony, the top grossing company (even if only counting SIE and not the gaming business they have in other divisions).
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coinhook
Neo Member
Switch portable mode only lowers frame rate and resolution.
While for example if you compare Smash or Mario Kart on 3ds vs Wii U, everything from the hud, the fonts, the menus, the characters, the stages, is different.
In fact I wonder how Switch players do not get eye strain from playing detailed games and reading tiny fonts in a small monitor
S0ULZB0URNE
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Looks like Gamespot is back.