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[Dural]

So yeah, that was without a doubt the worst season of the show. Been rewatching 1-3 and it's astonishing how much better they were.

That scene with Jonathan, Nancy, Robin, and Steve on top of the radio station cemented that Steve and Robin should have ended up together. Really pisses me off how bad the writing is for this show that they couldn't see that the two of them were meant to be together.

 

[Ishma3L]

Dude, I'm embarrassed how long it took me to figure out what was going on. I thought she was pulling the charging handle!

I kept rewatching it like, clearly there is something wrong or it wouldn't have been called out. Then on the fifth or sixth attempt I saw her hand wasn't actually back far enough and that she was racking the carrying handle. Love it!

 

[DragoonKain]

I thought the season was fine, but maybe that's because my expectations dramatically dropped a long time ago and stopped taking the show seriously. It was basically mindless entertainment for me since like season 3.

 

[Ulysses 31]

 

[Neff]

I'm juuuust missing this one. Is it a reference to Will becoming (or being the victim of) some sort of serial killer or something?

Let's just say Milwaukee isn't a great place to be for young gay men in 1989, but for some reason that's exactly where the Duffers sent him

 

[jason10mm]

Dude, I'm embarrassed how long it took me to figure out what was going on. I thought she was pulling the charging handle!

I kept rewatching it like, clearly there is something wrong or it wouldn't have been called out. Then on the fifth or sixth attempt I saw her hand wasn't actually back far enough and that she was racking the carrying handle. Love it!

In the old days when this would have been a blank firing prop she probably would have had to work it correctly to get the new magazine to load and fire and this would have been a major scene for her since it involved live weapons and blanks with an armorer on hand to coach her.

Today I'm sure she was handed a totally inert prop, there was no armsmaster present, and she was left with her own devices on what to do. Since the weapon probably had no moving parts other than maybe a trigger and magazine catch, doesn't surprise me she couldn't really work out how it was supposed to operate. My son's nerf guns require more skill

 

[Lambogenie]

So they dont explain the Mond Flayer piece. I forgot S4 but does Vecna seek it out when his backstory is revealed? Does the vine like appendages and stuff come from the Mind Flayer or they're telekinetically attached by his own (weird) choosing?

Just feels like there should be more to the Mind Flayer control/relationship.

 

[kunonabi]

So they dont explain the Mond Flayer piece. I forgot S4 but does Vecna seek it out when his backstory is revealed? Does the vine like appendages and stuff come from the Mind Flayer or they're telekinetically attached by his own (weird) choosing?

Just feels like there should be more to the Mind Flayer control/relationship.

From what I hear the mind flayer piece was from the Philadelphia Experiment and the guy in the cave was a Russian spy. This was all from the stage show apparently. The actual show doesn't explain it at all.

 

[spookyfish]

hopper planning moving to Montauk could be a tease for the spin-off.

Montauk Project - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Montauk experiments were in the 1970s though. I think this is just a nod that yes, we were influenced by those stories.

 

[sono]

I thought they made some great music choices in ST. The scene towards the end of the last episode where Robin is back as DJ on her own .. Fleetwood Mac Landslide for its lyrics about change and growing older, mirroring the characters finally moving on was perfect..

Otherwise

Series 4 remains my fav. (Max.Kate Bush etc legendary) Series 5 was a mixed up and timing issues

 

[bitbydeath]

As a kid of the 80's, the aids thing would have 1000000% been brought up. Wills mom at least (out of concern), if not half those others as an almost knee-jerk response. So many damned shows had to have their AIDS awareness episode just to try to counter the almost visceral societal response to it. It's just another of the things that makes that storyline and it's resolution feel so out of place. Plus it COMES TO NOTHING. At no point do we see Vecna try to turn one of the others or Will by using his sexuality such that the "coming out scene" has any purpose to the plot. Trying to do it to Mike and he goes "Come on man, we've talked about this already" and Vecna screaming in rage wouldn't been great. Hell, if everyone had just come clean and Hopper said "losing Eleven is my weakness", maybe he could have been better equipped to handle his moment. Just utter writing tosh, really.

Vecna says to Hop later that he doesn't lie, after showing the suicide pact scene to him, so it's not even his MO to lie about their futures, if we take him at his word.

 

[Revolutionary]

"They're there somewhere"

 

[NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt]

So yeah, that was without a doubt the worst season of the show. Been rewatching 1-3 and it's astonishing how much better they were.

That scene with Jonathan, Nancy, Robin, and Steve on top of the radio station cemented that Steve and Robin should have ended up together. Really pisses me off how bad the writing is for this show that they couldn't see that the two of them were meant to be together.

Well they made Robin gay just to market the show to a niche group. And yeah I found it ridiculous too due to the chemistry between the two actors. And it's ridiculous how they made Will gay due to pressure from a certain group. Yes it's been hinted at before but at this point I just roll my eyes now due to it feeling kind forced in nowadays

 

[DeepEnigma]

"They're there somewhere"

"Shit writing is shit writing. We will plug the plot holes with ambiguous plot armor, and stuff."

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

thought it was fine, though I didn't buy eleven's self-sacrifice at the end there (even if it might not have really happened); you just beat god with the most ride-or-die team out there and then decide to just throw in the towel against humans.

another thing I didn't like was how throughout the season they would be in many urgent situations, but then they would just stop for several minutes to have some heartfelt moment, suddenly no more urgency?

 

[jason10mm]

Vecna says to Hop later that he doesn't lie, after showing the suicide pact scene to him, so it's not even his MO to lie about their futures, if we take him at his word.

Well Will said Vecna showed him a future where he was essentially abandoned due to his sexual orientation, so I think it's maybe a bit of "'I don't lie,' said the liar".

Vecna will certainly try to manipulate you in any way he can, whether he knew for a fact eleven was gonna suicide it or just suspected it, he knew it would rile up Hopper.

 

[Dacvak]

It was fine.

 

[EviLore]

 

[JORMBO]

It ended like I expected. It was just poorly executed all around.

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I didn't like that the mindflayer went from some supernatural seeming deity to a giant spider with a weird room inside him. Nancy firing a gun at him should have been equal to an ant running at my foot. And the kids got on top of the mountain almost instantly. Then they made him not seem menacing at all by bullying him with small bits of fire. Just really dumb overall. By the time it got to this point it didn't feel like the stakes were high at all. Nancy became Rambo. None of the characters died outside of the one they introduced 2 episodes ago that no one cared about.

 

[DrFigs]

I feel like the ending is about the quality of the show after season 1. I don't think this show was ever art, just a fun action show w/ some good emotional beats. And I feel like they did that fine here.

 

[jason10mm]

Now if that actress puts up a vid of her doing a little rifle drill on the range against some steel, maybe some rifle to pistol transitions, and then explains the prop wasn't functioning so she just did the best she could, my opinion of her would go up 100000%.