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[Ellis]

Yeah, over 30 million subs is the end.,,Playsation fans crack me up

30 million subs, and how many active ?. Also 10 million were existing Gold subs.

PS+ has double that number, and those are actually active. Theirs is also growing continuously.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Which at least one analyst believes we might not see until closer to 2030

Not happening and at this point its FUD to entertain it.

 

[The Mad Draklor]

Yeah, over 30 million subs is the end.,,Playsation fans crack me up

Yes, let's make a judgement of a number in a vacuum instead of looking at the full context.

 

[adamsapple]

Not happening and at this point its FUD to entertain it.

Which part, the 'delay' to 2030?

 

[IntentionalPun]

Gamepass is not dead for MS, subscriber numbers might not have increased as much as they hoped but the total is still above console sales, and remember that their end game plan was to have Gamepass on every screen.

Gamepass's only real increase was when they conveniently got rid of Xbox Live Gold or whatever it was called and just shifted over to everyone having Gamepass.

I wouldn't say it's dead, but the concept of what they were going for I think is. There's little chance they actually believe GamePass can scale beyond the scope of any given console (meaning MS believed they'd get 150 million+ subscribers.)

That's why it was priced so low for so long and they've abandoned that and are raising prices and phasing out discounts.

You are right though in that I don't think it's actually "Dead", MS will continue w/ Gamepass as part of their offering, priced in a way that is profitable and stops causing them to kill their own revenue as much.

And one interesting thing about XBox PROBABLY not having a real next-gen-console is that all of the focus will shift to PC. It's quite possible the overall GP budget may go down but it's also pretty likely that means the PC GP budget will go up significantly.

After all this whole thing with Windows FSE is most likely a push to make Windows Store more relevant, and to be on Gamepass you have to release on Windows store.

Standard disclaimer: This post assumes the rumor that the next Xbox is running Windows and not a closed-system-OS is true

 

[DeepEnigma]

Which part, the 'delay' to 2030?

Yes. The "delay to 2030" is BS and not even in an official or inside capacity. An "analyst"

Getting shades of the FUD of prior to this gen.

 

[Fess]

They haven't increased. They've lowered. Even with more "screens" to make use of it on.

It's not dead right now, but it absolutely will be in a couple of years. You can pretty much guarantee that.

Last official word I heard was that the PC side and cloud is growing for Gamepass. Console side is obviously shrinking.

 

[Ozriel]

Never heard such an utter bullshit claim.
30+ years of standardization for easy compatibility, guaranteeing plug and play for most parts, and then you go online seeing people go;

"No one does what the systems are built for and what the whole end-consumer silicon industry exists for".


yeah, we`re done.

I've noticed a real gap in reading and comprehension here. I specifically exempted SSD and RAM upgrades, which are relatively cheap and will also be offered on Magnus and Steam Machine.

How you construe 30% as 'no one' is quite baffling.

Newzoo's research from 2021 showed prebuilts and laptops covered 68% of PC gamers. 38% for laptops, 30% for prebuilts. A large portion of
Those who build their own PCs would be the ones making up the bulk of the upgrade path.

Valve themselves are confident that a Steam Machine with the inability to upgrade the CPU and GPU and with specs under the base PS5 would be enough to last a large portion of their userbase the entire generation. Magnus will be way more powerful and ship with enhanced framegen and ray tracing. Most folks won't care about upgrades.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

Which at least one analyst believes we might not see until closer to 2030

PS6 in 2030?

Thats way too long.

 

[crazyriddler]

Absolute nonsense. GPU/CPU upgrades are the norm for gaming PCs. There`s not that many people who always replace whole systems simply because it`s neither necessary nor cost effective.
Being able to upgrade is quite literally the point of having modular systems and those who don`t want or need that already buy laptops or all-in-one-PCs, but in the gaming space the modular kind is vastly more common.

Updating your PC every so often is something that stopped making sense many years ago, and I've been buying powerful PCs for 25 years. In the 2000s, changing the GPU every two years or even less was a must. For the past decade, PCs have lasted seven or eight years running modern games without any problems, and once that time has passed, you have to replace the entire computer anyway, because new motherboards, chipsets with new PCIe standards, RAM, etc. come out.

 

[Fess]

Gamepass's only real increase was when they conveniently got rid of Xbox Live Gold or whatever it was called and just shifted over to everyone having Gamepass.

I wouldn't say it's dead, but the concept of what they were going for I think is. There's little chance they actually believe GamePass can scale beyond the scope of any given console (meaning MS believed they'd get 150 million+ subscribers.)

That's why it was priced so low for so long and they've abandoned that and are raising prices and phasing out discounts.

You are right though in that I don't think it's actually "Dead", MS will continue w/ Gamepass as part of their offering, priced in a way that is profitable and stops causing them to kill their own revenue as much.

And one interesting thing about XBox PROBABLY not having a real next-gen-console is that all of the focus will shift to PC. It's quite possible the overall GP budget may go down but it's also pretty likely that means the PC GP budget will go up significantly.

After all this whole thing with Windows FSE is most likely a push to make Windows Store more relevant, and to be on Gamepass you have to release on Windows store.

Standard disclaimer: This post assumes the rumor that the next Xbox is running Windows and not a closed-system-OS is true

I think their whole gaming initiative will crumble if Gamepass dies. And I can't see that happening when they're focused enough to improve Xbox App and Windows and partner with ASUS and even make new hardware to push their store/launcher/OS/subscription.

 

[Ellis]

Last official word I heard was that the PC side and cloud is growing for Gamepass. Console side is obviously shrinking.

The very few small PC sub numbers can't offset the large loss of subs on XB hardware.

They're losing subscribers on the whole, not growing.

 

[Fess]

30 million subs, and how many active ?. Also 10 million were existing Gold subs.

PS+ has double that number, and those are actually active. Theirs is also growing continuously.

Enough that sales tank on day 1 releases.

Playstation 5 alone is 3 times bigger than Xbox Series and then there is PS4 as well. PS+ should be much much bigger.

 

[Ozriel]

steam surveys only say that people tend to keep old stuff for a long time => Save money. How you go from that to that they definitely do whole system upgrades when they upgrade instead of continuing to be cost sensitive like before is beyond me.

People upgrade when their hardware can't keep up, even at 1080p. Either full or partial upgrades.

No cost conscious gamer with a 5080 tier GPU with ML framegen and FSR 4+ is gonna be frothing at the mouth for a GPU upgrade

. I´ve in my life never met a PC gamer that hasn`t at least upgraded his GPU separately.

Unscrewed their gaming laptops and soldered in a new GPU, right?

 

[Ellis]

Enough that sales tank on day 1 releases.

Playstation 5 alone is 3 times bigger than Xbox Series and then there is PS4 as well. PS+ should be much much bigger.

PS+ offers a much larger offering of games compared to GP. Day One games have been of such poor calibre, people are starting to doubt if subbing is even worth it.

PS+ subs will indeed be bigger as they're constantly growing. GP is the opposite. They're losing subs.

It's a massive difference.

 

[MisterXDTV]

I think their whole gaming initiative will crumble if Gamepass dies. And I can't see that happening when they're focused enough to improve Xbox App and Windows and partner with ASUS and even make new hardware to push their store/launcher/OS/subscription.

Customers decides if GamePass dies or not, not MS

And the trend is very clear: they are losing customers and once Series consoles are dead for good you can say bye bye to 90% of the current subscribers

Third-party devs won't support a dead platform with abysmal software sales for much longer

It's wasted money

 

[Team Andromeda]

Yes, let's make a judgement of a number in a vacuum instead of looking at the full context.

Ok...Playstation

30 million subs, and how many active ?. Also 10 million were existing Gold subs.

PS+ has double that number, and those are actually active. Theirs is also growing continuously.

Hi , Jim!!

 

[Ellis]

Hi , Jim!!

Why not offer a decent count argument.

I mean, I know it's literally not possible to do so, but you can at least try. Surely offer something better than Hi, Jim.

 

[IntentionalPun]

PS+ has double that number, and those are actually active. Theirs is also growing continuously.

Is this really true?

PS+ I thought peaked after COVID, went down, and then basically recovered but hasn't really grown? And the number is basically near ~50 million, or a bit under and it's been that way for YEARS.

Sony now mostly reports on the fact the higher tiers have been more and more successful, not that PS+ is "growing continuously." Their 2022 financials actually recorded that they lost subs.

There really does seem to only be so many people interested in gaming subs, and I don't think that overall that number is really going to go up. They will just try to make profit on those users go up.

 

[Cumulus]

People upgrade when their hardware can't keep up, even at 1080p. Either full or partial upgrades.

The target varies from person to person. For me it`s DLSSed 4k60 with all the bells and whistles. But if you only want to play indies on your old 27" LCD ...sure. That kind of target argumentation also seems awfully out of place when talking about "premium" hardware. Anyone buying hardware for 1000+ bucks probably wants excellent results, and not only today but tomorrow and the day after.

No cost conscious gamer with a 5080 tier GPU with ML framegen and FSR 4+ is gonna be frothing at the mouth for a GPU upgrade

If only software and hardware development stood still and a 5080 would always be capable to produce the desired results, I´d never have to spend a dime again......... unfortunately it doesn`t and the Magnus is also unlikely to match a 5080.

Unscrewed their gaming laptops and soldered in a new GPU, right?

Mobile GPUs make up ~5% of the Steam hardware survey. I´ve seen people grasp for straws but this is pathetic....

 

[Ozriel]

The target varies from person to person. For me it`s DLSSed 4k60 with all the bells and whistles. But if you only want to play indies on your old 27" LCD ...sure. That kind of target argumentation also seems awfully out of place when talking about "premium" hardware. Anyone buying hardware for 1000+ bucks probably wants excellent results, and not only today but tomorrow and the day after.

…and based on the rumored specs, anyone buying the Magnus will get excellent results for the next half decade at least.

Mobile GPUs make up ~5% of the Steam hardware survey. I´ve seen people grasp for straws but this is pathetic....

Oh, you uninformed fellow

The RTX4060 Laptop GPU alone makes up nearly 4% of total Steam gamers.

 

[Humdinger]

GP still at 30 m? I thought it had gone to the mid-30s. I know this is all based on estimates, though, because MS won't release numbers. But if it's still 30, that suggests it's flat.

The road to 100 m by 2030 is looking a little rocky.

 

[Cumulus]

…and based on the rumored specs, anyone buying the Magnus will get excellent results for the next half decade at least.

If you´re a console person with console person standards that may very well be the case. But this is a pc....with an xbox sticker, and a premium price sticker right besides that. There is simply no point buying a gimped PC over a full fledged one you can also upgrade at will if you want. That it`s AMD instead of NVIDIA is also a factor for many. Why would A PC person compromise at this pricepoint? And why would a console person choose this over a PS6? I can`t but see this as a PR toy for a very small enthusiast niche.

The RTX4060 Laptop GPU alone makes up nearly 4% of total Steam gamers.

and all the rest amount to nearly nothing (no idea why that one stands out so much)

 

[The Mad Draklor]

Ok...Playstation

Ok...unhinged fanboy

 

[mckmas8808]

How many of Steam hardware survey do you think runs Steam OS? More or less than 10%? I'll give you a minute.

If I had to guess.........I'd say More. 10.5%

 

[asdasdasdbb]

There is simply no point buying a gimped PC over a full fledged one you can also upgrade at will if you want.

They need an example box to sell the XBoxPC idea. Existing game library to current XBox owners.

Why would A PC person compromise at this pricepoint?

Performance should still be decent for the $.

And why would a console person choose this over a PS6?

Free MP.

 

[IntentionalPun]

I think their whole gaming initiative will crumble if Gamepass dies. And I can't see that happening when they're focused enough to improve Xbox App and Windows and partner with ASUS and even make new hardware to push their store/launcher/OS/subscription.

They have a pretty tough road ahead of them if they really are abandoning the console space. They will absolutely not be able to charge for online on PC and so that removes a lot of the reason people maintain those subscriptions. They will almost certainly lose a ton of subs.

 

[Tobimacoss]

30 million subs, and how many active ?. Also 10 million were existing Gold subs.

PS+ has double that number, and those are actually active. Theirs is also growing continuously.

What does that mean, how many active? Of course they would all be active, or they wouldn't be a Gamepass sub.

Gamepass's only real increase was when they conveniently got rid of Xbox Live Gold or whatever it was called and just shifted over to everyone having Gamepass.

I wouldn't say it's dead, but the concept of what they were going for I think is. There's little chance they actually believe GamePass can scale beyond the scope of any given console (meaning MS believed they'd get 150 million+ subscribers.)

That's why it was priced so low for so long and they've abandoned that and are raising prices and phasing out discounts.

You are right though in that I don't think it's actually "Dead", MS will continue w/ Gamepass as part of their offering, priced in a way that is profitable and stops causing them to kill their own revenue as much.

And one interesting thing about XBox PROBABLY not having a real next-gen-console is that all of the focus will shift to PC. It's quite possible the overall GP budget may go down but it's also pretty likely that means the PC GP budget will go up significantly.

After all this whole thing with Windows FSE is most likely a push to make Windows Store more relevant, and to be on Gamepass you have to release on Windows store.

Standard disclaimer: This post assumes the rumor that the next Xbox is running Windows and not a closed-system-OS is true

PC Gamepass tier is marked for death, meant to be replaced by the Premium and Ultimate tiers.

Xbox Console already runs windows. Even with it running full windows, it would still be a closed system for security. Full windows can be locked down, as MS has shown with S Mode.
Regardless, it's not the OS that decides if the device is a Console.

If it has GDKX fixed spec optimized Console SKUs, it's a Console. And as of now, it's a Hybrid Console.

The target varies from person to person. For me it`s DLSSed 4k60 with all the bells and whistles. But if you only want to play indies on your old 27" LCD ...sure. That kind of target argumentation also seems awfully out of place when talking about "premium" hardware. Anyone buying hardware for 1000+ bucks probably wants excellent results, and not only today but tomorrow and the day after.

If only software and hardware development stood still and a 5080 would always be capable to produce the desired results, I´d never have to spend a dime again......... unfortunately it doesn`t and the Magnus is also unlikely to match a 5080.

Mobile GPUs make up ~5% of the Steam hardware survey. I´ve seen people grasp for straws but this is pathetic....

K KeplerL2 stated Magnus is RTX 5080 tier in Raster, and MLID stated it could be up to 5090 tier in Raytracing and Upscaling capabilities.

 

[David_Android]

Not happening and at this point its FUD to entertain it.

FUD is MS Playbook. Be it in forums, Discord, reddit you name it and its not even helping them as we saw it in previous generation.

 

[nial]

It was literally less than 3 years ago when there was a major inquest at Sony (with layoffs) over declining profit margins.

Context matters, a questionable Bungie's acquisition hit their margins hard going to the mid period of PS5's lifecycle (even as revenue was still up), where you would usually expect their profitability to grow as you'd have a large enough audience buying software for your console (and in recent times, MTX and subscriptions as well). Look at the trajectory of PS1, PS2, and PS4 (and PS3 to some degree), where, as soon as they hit their peak FY of hardware sales, their operating income would hit its peak as well. PS4 even had two additional years after FY16 (peak hardware year) of growth as Sony had already established more revenue streams in place.
PS5? FY22 way down compared to FY21.

Sony of today aren't going to take a PS3 type loss.

I did not say they are, but that it would not result on those FY06 operating losses anymore. They surely know that even a small hit to their margins (over $50) to meet an affordable price point would be of benefit in the long-term because it's the large enough userbase that acquires software, MTX, and subscriptions that is going to drive their profitability. They're even still making losses on PS5 hardware nowadays (mostly through official discounts) when that was not already the case in past generations by this point of their lifecycles.
Regardless, even PS5 Digital Edition was likely already having over $50 of losses in 2020.

 

[Cumulus]

K KeplerL2 stated Magnus is RTX 5080 tier in Raster, and MLID stated it could be up to 5090 tier in Raytracing and Upscaling capabilities.

I´ll believe it when I see it. The leaked specs certainly say otherwise. And since it`s AMD I´m expecting shitty RT performance once again.

 

[Tobimacoss]

They have a pretty tough road ahead of them if they really are abandoning the console space. They will absolutely not be able to charge for online on PC and so that removes a lot of the reason people maintain those subscriptions. They will almost certainly lose a ton of subs.

Online multiplayer tier is replaced by the baseline Cloud Gaming tier.

Free Cloud Saves, Free online multiplayer, and cheapest tier Cloud Gaming.

That is looking to be the proposition vs the competition.

 

[IntentionalPun]

What does that mean, how many active? Of course they would all be active, or they wouldn't be a Gamepass sub.

PC Gamepass tier is marked for death, meant to be replaced by the Premium and Ultimate tiers.

Xbox Console already runs windows. Even with it running full windows, it would still be a closed system for security. Full windows can be locked down, as MS has shown with S Mode.
Regardless, it's not the OS that decides if the device is a Console.

If it has GDKX fixed spec optimized Console SKUs, it's a Console. And as of now, it's a Hybrid Console.

I completely disagree on the console thing; if it's running games from Steam it's a PC, playing games designed for Windows. Making Windows worse by locking it down but not really providing any of the other advantages of a console is a shitty way to claim something is a console.

We have no clue how much they'll lock it down either. S Mode for instance wouldn't support anything on Steam for instance. Been repeated endlessly but you can't just "lock down" software that has been designed for environments that aren't very secure, executables that aren't signed by any official key that can be tied to hardware, etc.

The rumor is it's full Windows, and can play games from Steam. Even those who think it is a "Console" can't seem to explain how it then supports Steam and it's tens and thousands of games not designed in any way for some locked down environment.

And if they are switching over to PC, it isn't really PC Gamepass they are getting rid of lol All of GP will be PC games at some point once the XBox Series generation isn't supported, based on the rumors we are discussing in this thread.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Online multiplayer tier is replaced by the baseline Cloud Gaming tier.

Free Cloud Saves, Free online multiplayer, and cheapest tier Cloud Gaming.

That is looking to be the proposition vs the competition.

Why are you using the word FREE twice for a paid sub?

 

[mckmas8808]

They have a pretty tough road ahead of them if they really are abandoning the console space. They will absolutely not be able to charge for online on PC and so that removes a lot of the reason people maintain those subscriptions. They will almost certainly lose a ton of subs.

This is the part many here are not considering.

 

[DeepEnigma]

K KeplerL2 stated Magnus is RTX 5080 tier in Raster, and MLID stated it could be up to 5090 tier in Raytracing and Upscaling capabilities.

Sounds like minimum of $1500-$2000+.

 

[asdasdasdbb]

I´ll believe it when I see it. The leaked specs certainly say otherwise. And since it`s AMD I´m expecting shitty RT performance once again.

It should be faster than the 9070 XT. Getting to 5080 perf would mean a decent amount of system power draw (300 W at least)

Sounds like minimum of $1500-$2000+.

Dunno if it'd be that high but it won't be cheap. That's for sure.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Sounds like minimum of $1500-$2000+.

Wouldn't shock me at all if the OEM machines are actually the cheaper variants

 

[Fess]

Day One games have been of such poor calibre, people are starting to doubt if subbing is even worth it.

What? The last two years has been crazy for day 1 releases. I literally only bought one full price game last year because I have so much to play through Gamepass. On top of a flood of big day 1 titles they added Ubisoft+ as well. It's nuts.
Standard price is too much but can just prepay with key sites and get it for half price.

 

[Tobimacoss]

I´ll believe it when I see it. The leaked specs certainly say otherwise.

K

News Rumor Hardware  Post in thread '[MLiD] AMD Magnus APU Full Leak: RDNA 5, Zen 6, 110 TOPS NPU = XBOX Next-Gen Console!'

Oct 23, 2025

What I'm hoping to get at is a meaningful comparison of effective raster performance.

If Magnus is 50-60 Tflops, with dual issue that is finally useful, where does that stand relative to a 5080's 56.2 Tflops? Is Nvidia's version of dual issue useful for gaming yet? If not, wouldn't that technically allow Magnus to punch even above 5080?

I guess we won't even know till real world benchmarking is done...

Difficult to estimate, but I think Magnus could be slightly faster than 5080.

Uncertain about the implementation, but they aim to achieve the same or something similar...

• KeplerL2

• 
• 

So you know more than Kepler now regarding AMD hardware?

I completely disagree on the console thing; if it's running games from Steam it's a PC, playing games designed for Windows. Making Windows worse by locking it down but not really providing any of the other advantages of a console is a shitty way to claim something is a console.

We have no clue how much they'll lock it down either. S Mode for instance wouldn't support anything on Steam for instance. Been repeated endlessly but you can't just "lock down" software that has been designed for environments that aren't very secure, executables that aren't signed by any official key that can be tied to hardware, etc.

The rumor is it's full Windows, and can play games from Steam. Even those who think it is a "Console" can't seem to explain how it then supports Steam and it's tens and thousands of games not designed in any way for some locked down environment.

And if they are switching over to PC, it isn't really PC Gamepass they are getting rid of lol All of GP will be PC games at some point once the XBox Series generation isn't supported, based on the rumors we are discussing in this thread.

S Mode didn't run Win32 .exes because it only allowed MSIX packaged apps. Since then MS created WinGet to be able to run .exe repository and linked it to MS Store. So MS store itself can install via WinGet.

MS has the ability to lock down the entire Win32 subsystem that runs the Win32 app model and everything within it. That was one of the ways they planned to run unpackaged Win32 apps and games on the now discontinued Windows 10X for the Surface Neo. Everything was planned to run inside a giant PC container, basically sandboxed for the unpackaged stuff, along with MSIX and appX packaged stuff. The Intel chip for that device couldn't handle the performance needs of a massive PC container. Won't be an issue for Magnus.

Nvidia GFN and xCloud both run games in Kubernetes containers, on Windows servers.

And they're not switching over to PC, that's the part you fail to comprehend. PC Gamepass tier is going away, Premium, Essential, Ultimate will be the three Gamepass tiers for various form factors including PC, Console, Cloud, Mobile.

Running Steam/Epic unpackaged games in secure containers is what makes the device a Hybrid. That isn't what determines if it's a Consolized PC or Hybrid Console.

As long as there are separate Console SKUs for the Xbox ecosystem, that makes it a Console, regardless of whatever OS it runs or what other stores are allowed.

 

[Cumulus]

So you know more than Kepler now regarding AMD hardware?

Kepler might know planned/protoype specs and targets but that`s really all that`s available right now. That doesn´t mean much for the end result, especially coming from AMD, the kings of overpromising and underdelivering, right besides Xbox maybe...And those two just so happen to be the two involved parties here.

I´ll repeat myself: I´ll believe it when I see it.(Benchmarks)

 

[IntentionalPun]

\\

K

News Rumor Hardware  Post in thread '[MLiD] AMD Magnus APU Full Leak: RDNA 5, Zen 6, 110 TOPS NPU = XBOX Next-Gen Console!'

Oct 23, 2025

What I'm hoping to get at is a meaningful comparison of effective raster performance.

If Magnus is 50-60 Tflops, with dual issue that is finally useful, where does that stand relative to a 5080's 56.2 Tflops? Is Nvidia's version of dual issue useful for gaming yet? If not, wouldn't that technically allow Magnus to punch even above 5080?

I guess we won't even know till real world benchmarking is done...

Difficult to estimate, but I think Magnus could be slightly faster than 5080.

Uncertain about the implementation, but they aim to achieve the same or something similar...

• KeplerL2

• 
• 

So you know more than Kepler now regarding AMD hardware?

S Mode didn't run Win32 .exes because it only allowed MSIX packaged apps. Since then MS created WinGet to be able to run .exe repository and linked it to MS Store. So MS store itself can install via WinGet.

MS has the ability to lock down the entire Win32 subsystem that runs the Win32 app model and everything within it. That was one of the ways they planned to run unpackaged Win32 apps and games on the now discontinued Windows 10X for the Surface Neo. Everything was planned to run inside a giant PC container, basically sandboxed for the unpackaged stuff, along with MSIX and appX packaged stuff. The Intel chip for that device couldn't handle the performance needs of a massive PC container. Won't be an issue for Magnus.

Nvidia GFN and xCloud both run games in Kubernetes containers, on Windows servers.

And they're not switching over to PC, that's the part you fail to comprehend. PC Gamepass tier is going away, Premium, Essential, Ultimate will be the three Gamepass tiers for various form factors including PC, Console, Cloud, Mobile.

Running Steam/Epic unpackaged games in secure containers is what makes the device a Hybrid. That isn't what determines if it's a Consolized PC or Hybrid Console.

As long as there are separate Console SKUs for the Xbox ecosystem, that makes it a Console, regardless of whatever OS it runs or what other stores are allowed.

But the games would be worse performance and really would require babysitting by MS for every game they want to work this way from Steam, as you can't just magically say "hey Steam, run this game in a container!" nVidia has to prepare containers for every "ready to play" game and the rest you basically just access Windows and the game installs, and the user might have to even respond to prompts and whatnot. It's hokey at best when that happens.

Good luck thinking this is what MS will figure out when they've failed to do so in the past and there's so many variables way outside of their control. It's far more likely it's the Xbox games that will launch in containers, using some of the same ways they lock down access to the XBox OS for XCloud games.

"They have the ability to lock it down" = break tons of shit. Nobody is saying Microsoft can't create a locked down Windows, they are saying good luck doing that while actually allowing Steam games. Containers are an idea but again, that is a lot of custom work MS has to do and it's incredibly unlikely they'll go that direction if they truly are promising "Steam" on the next "Xbox."

 

[Gambit2483]

Its gonna have gamepass.

It will be much better deal in long run.

By the time it's released don't be surprised if Gamepass gets another price hike.

Telling consumers they can pay $44.99 per month for the privilege of renting their games and tying their entire library to a rental service isn't the selling point you apparently think it is.

 

[Richard 92]

It's roughly 2x CPU perf and 4x GPU perf (raster), not including massively improved RT and AI performance, new features, etc.

Even at 2x price I would say Magnus is a much better deal.

So the power of Next Xbox has been confirmed by Kepler!, 2x CPU perf and 4x GPU perf. In contrast Xbox series X,Did I understand correctly?

 

[Tobimacoss]

Why are you using the word FREE twice for a paid sub?

What? Those wouldn't be part of the Gamepass subs, just free for the ecosystem in general.

Epic, Steam, Xbox currently have FREE Cloud Saves

Epic, Steam currently have FREE multiplayer, Xbox Magnus is expected to have the same FREE multiplayer.

Playstations and Nintendo have both paid Cloud Saves and paid Multiplayer.

That is what the choices are possibly going to be next year. Magnus will have a choice of three major ecosystems with free Cloud saves and free online multiplayer.

Sounds like minimum of $1500-$2000+.

Not really, that's simply how the technology progresses.

PS6 Orion is said to be around RTX 5070 tier. Series X and PS5 originallly were around 2080 and 2070 tiers. So the progression makes sense after 7 years. Plus the fact that it only costs Nvidia roughly $400 to manufacturer an RTX 5080 which they sell for massive profit.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Not really, that's simply how the technology progresses.

Yes, really. Latest Zen, "5090 matching tech" when 6090 won't be coming for some time and 5090s are in the $2500-$3K range and still will be. Memory (RAM and Storage) prices.

 

[MisterXDTV]

So the power of Next Xbox has been confirmed by Kepler!, 2x CPU perf and 4x GPU perf. In contrast Xbox series X,Did I understand correctly?

I think the comparison he made was with the Steam Machine

That is weaker than Series X and base PS5 in GPU performance

 

[The Mad Draklor]

Why not offer a decent count argument.

Because all his argument is "Number is big. Therefore, big number is good".

Anyone want to break the (old) news to him that Microslop projected to hit 100+ million Gamepass subs by 2030 and that they haven't even hit 1/3 of that so far?

 

[bitbydeath]

Why does it need a development kit ?

I looked into it and found Steam Deck and the Rog Ally devices also have devkits.

I expect they're used to confirm the games work adequately on the devices.

Eg.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

So what's the estimated price on this? I think Kepler said $1200 US in a post or tweet(?).

So looking at about $1,600-1,700 CDN. Add tax and closing in on almost $2k.

That's a big yikes. Series X with 4k optical drive was $600 CDN when I got it just after launch in 2021.