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[midnightAI]

This is what they are banking on. The ppl who can afford it just paid 1500 for a console and the vast majority that cant will be forced to sign up to a streaming service and pay forever.

The issue is, once you start talking those kind of prices why not just buy a proper gaming PC that you can upgrade for years to come?

 

[DenchDeckard]

The issue is, once you start talking those kind of prices why not just buy a proper gaming PC that you can upgrade for years to come?

Because some people don't want a gaming pc because why would anyone choose a ps pro over a pc at this point?

You want the ease of one device that runs your content and that's that.

I don't know why people wouldn't buy a pc but if this delivers over 9070 XT performance I might pick one up for a spare room. If the price is right.

 

[DenchDeckard]

I can already see it coming: A €1200 Xbox and then Sony going like "Hey, we can easily undercut that with €1000 and for the casual crowd we'll drop a PS5 Lite for €800."

Yeah it's going to be interesting to see how all companies act next gen with pricing and their messaging.

 

[wolffy66]

What would this current gen of consoles cost if we just said they increased with the same inflation rate as everything else. Surely they'd be $700 at least. Maybe?

Id think that $700 would be the absolute bare minimum we should expect to pay for a console if it dropped right now. Probably more when you factor the AI apocalypse for hardware.

 

[adamsapple]

What would this current gen of consoles cost if we just said they increased with the same inflation rate as everything else. Surely they'd be $700 at least. Maybe?

Id think that $700 would be the absolute bare minimum we should expect to pay for a console if it dropped right now. Probably more when you factor the AI apocalypse for hardware.

 

[Sohurmk833]

Yeah it's going to be interesting to see how all companies act next gen with pricing and their messaging.

They don't have much room anyway. We're already seeing what prices the mass market ist willing to accept and that's not going to change in the next 2 years.

 

[squallbr]

In reality

Cant be real

 

[Pedro Motta]

Because some people don't want a gaming pc because why would anyone choose a ps pro over a pc at this point?

wtf? Are you comparing the price of a ps5 pro vs a PC? Come on bro, you know better than that.

 

[DenchDeckard]

They don't have much room anyway. We're already seeing what prices the mass market ist willing to accept and that's not going to change in the next 2 years.

This xbox device is not a mass market device I dont think, not in the slightest. I still think it will be lucky to hit 10 million sold if it's $1,299

 

[Bernardougf]

It will get benefits but end results will obviously depend on developers. Console should automatically play the same games with better performance/resolution (if they don't fuck up the tools this time lol).

Tools ? It will run pc games from steam/windows .. who is going to use tools to develop specially for this very niche machine ? (Outside maybe, big maybe, MS studios)

 

[saintjules]

Hilarious. Sometimes I wonder when playing games people are like,

'Yep, that's RDNA at work riiiight THERE'.

 

[Ramiro_Rodriguez]

I can already see it coming: A €1200 Xbox and then Sony going like "Hey, we can easily undercut that with €1000 and for the casual crowd we'll drop a PS5 Lite for €800."

Dunno. Sony could raise the price of the PS5 up to 600 $ and would still be 50 $ cheaper than the XSX.
But Sony doesn't plan to raise the prices (for this year), even when they could and blame it on the RAM prices.
Even the msrp for the PS5 Pro (2 TB) is only 750 $, while MS wants 800 $ for a XSX with 2 TB..

My guess is that Sony plans to release the PS6 at an affordable price.
Maybe even with a bit loss, like they did with the PS4.
No matter how expensive the Xbox 5/Xbox Magnus will be.

 

[midnightAI]

Because some people don't want a gaming pc because why would anyone choose a ps pro over a pc at this point?

You want the ease of one device that runs your content and that's that.

I don't know why people wouldn't buy a pc but if this delivers over 9070 XT performance I might pick one up for a spare room. If the price is right.

We are talking about people spending $1000-$2000 on a gaming device, they are trying to blur the lines between console and PC without realising why console is so popular in the first place....... cost. As soon as this is over $1000 and no reason to believe that it won't be, then they have lost the majority of buyers. Ease of use is a very small part of why people buy consoles, heck, most people who buy consoles whether for themselves or for their kids have a PC, may not be a gaming PC but they'll own one so they know what a PC is and how to set things up on it.

You mention PS5 Pro, but can you buy a PC for the price of a Pro that can play the same games at the same quality? Not only that, there is a cheaper option... PS5 (which is still selling far better by the way, why? because its cheaper)

This is also why I believe PS6 will be no more than $700 ($600 is my guess), how well do you think XBox will sell if its double the price, regardless of specs?

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

We are talking about people spending $1000-$2000 on a gaming device, they are trying to blur the lines between console and PC without realising why console is so popular in the first place....... cost. As soon as this is over $1000 and no reason to believe that it won't be, then they have lost the majority of buyers. Ease of use is a very small part of why people buy consoles, heck, most people who buy consoles whether for themselves or for their kids have a PC, may not be a gaming PC but they'll own one so they know what a PC is and how to set things up on it.

You mention PS5 Pro, but can you buy a PC for the price of a Pro that can play the same games at the same quality? Not only that, there is a cheaper option... PS5 (which is still selling far better by the way, why? because its cheaper)

Problem is they lost the majority of the buyers when they were priced competitively

Xbox has lost their way and if they don't clean house in their upper management it wont be long and Xbox only hardware they will be producing are controllers

If I was running Xbox I start putting actual exclusives on the next gen hardware and not PC and limit Gamepass on what it gets days one

 

[diffusionx]

We are talking about people spending $1000-$2000 on a gaming device, they are trying to blur the lines between console and PC without realising why console is so popular in the first place....... cost. As soon as this is over $1000 and no reason to believe that it won't be, then they have lost the majority of buyers. Ease of use is a very small part of why people buy consoles, heck, most people who buy consoles whether for themselves or for their kids have a PC, may not be a gaming PC but they'll own one so they know what a PC is and how to set things up on it.

You mention PS5 Pro, but can you buy a PC for the price of a Pro that can play the same games at the same quality? Not only that, there is a cheaper option... PS5 (which is still selling far better by the way, why? because its cheaper)

This is also why I believe PS6 will be no more than $700 ($600 is my guess), how well do you think XBox will sell if its double the price, regardless of specs?

this will be a niche device, Microsoft is trying to bridge the gap for the diehards and if anyone is willing to spend $2000 on an "Xbox" it is going to be the diehards. Everyone else will just use a generic/other PC or switch to PlayStation (I think a lot of people have switched to PS this gen already).

On a market level this thing just makes no sense whatsoever, I talked about it in the other thread, it's very stupid.

 

[GoldenEye98]

Dunno. Sony could raise the price of the PS5 up to 600 $ and would still be 50 $ cheaper than the XSX.
But Sony doesn't plan to raise the prices (for this year), even when they could and blame it on the RAM prices.
Even the msrp for the PS5 Pro (2 TB) is only 750 $, while MS wants 800 $ for a XSX with 2 TB..

My guess is that Sony plans to release the PS6 at an affordable price.
Maybe even with a bit loss, like they did with the PS4.
No matter how expensive the Xbox 5/Xbox Magnus will be.

I think Sony has to release a PS6 at a relatively affordable price. PlayStation is basically Sony's main business at this point and generating those revenues are dependent on a 100M+ install base.

Releasing a main base console at high price would be too risky.

 

[midnightAI]

Problem is they lost the majority of the buyers when they were priced competitively

Xbox has lost their way and if they don't clean house in their upper management it wont be long and Xbox only hardware they will be producing are controllers

If I was running Xbox I start putting actual exclusives on the next gen hardware and not PC and limit Gamepass on what it gets days one

Oh, I completely agree, but I don't think an even higher priced console, one that is getting close to gaming PC prices, is the answer, in fact, more like final nail.

I don't think they'll start making exclusives though (the opposite seems to be happening) and they have made their bed with Gamepass, next step will be one Gamepass across console and PC. I honestly don't really see a solution in regards to hardware or Gamepass, short term at least, long term they could turn Gamepass around but not with the current model.

 

[Von Hugh]

I am kind of at the stage where I can't give a rat's ass even if they made a console that is 10x more powerful than PS6 at 500 dollar price point.

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

My guess is that Sony plans to release the PS6 at an affordable price.
Maybe even with a bit loss, like they did with the PS4.
No matter how expensive the Xbox 5/Xbox Magnus will be.

I'd assume the same, even with the current leadership.

 

[poodaddy]

I simply don't believe these specs at all.

MLID takes a lot of shots. Sometimes he's right. I don't believe this information is accurate at all.

 

[Wandering Leopard]

If real, it definitely won't be console priced hardware and they'd be crazy to do it; I just don't see a good reason for launching a device like this.

I might be interested if it's under 1200 because it might still be good value depending on the price of an equivalent gaming PC in 2027.

 

[Corporal.Hicks]

I simply don't believe these specs at all.

MLID takes a lot of shots. Sometimes he's right. I don't believe this information is accurate at all.

Assuming what MLID said in this video is true (he got the information directly from an Xbox engineer who has never lied to him over the years), the specs might be legitimate.

 

[bighugeguns]

So, this freaking thing is going to run WOW, Dota 2 and Counter Strike 2? If they can ship it cheaper than a mid-tier gaming PC then it'll be very attractive.

 

[adamsapple]

So, this freaking thing is going to run WOW, Dota 2 and Counter Strike 2? If they can ship it cheaper than a mid-tier gaming PC then it'll be very attractive.

It'll run all that, all your native Xbox library and even modern games of the day for a good while. On paper, it's a pretty beefy boi.

 

[Shogmaster]

Cool.

Am noticing RTX 5070 has same die area as the gpu part.

The processor part seems to be larger than average zen 5 cpu.

Their cost to manufacture might be similar to adding both of them?

I'd guess that's decent approximation.

 

[Det]

I can already see it coming: A €1200 Xbox and then Sony going like "Hey, we can easily undercut that with €1000 and for the casual crowd we'll drop a PS5 Lite for €800."

PS6 will be half the price of the "Magnus"

It doesn't take much "imagination" to understand why.

The PS6 will be a console, obviously, made to be cheap and not need to generate profit. Large-scale production.

"Magnus" will be a boutique PC, made to be "powerful" and with hardware that needs to generate profit without high sales volumes.

 

[DenchDeckard]

We are talking about people spending $1000-$2000 on a gaming device, they are trying to blur the lines between console and PC without realising why console is so popular in the first place....... cost. As soon as this is over $1000 and no reason to believe that it won't be, then they have lost the majority of buyers. Ease of use is a very small part of why people buy consoles, heck, most people who buy consoles whether for themselves or for their kids have a PC, may not be a gaming PC but they'll own one so they know what a PC is and how to set things up on it.

You mention PS5 Pro, but can you buy a PC for the price of a Pro that can play the same games at the same quality? Not only that, there is a cheaper option... PS5 (which is still selling far better by the way, why? because its cheaper)

This is also why I believe PS6 will be no more than $700 ($600 is my guess), how well do you think XBox will sell if its double the price, regardless of specs?

It sounds we are all literally on the same page. They are not making a console and would be insane if they think this thing is going to sell 30 million consoles at 1,299 or 1,499. I don't think that is in dispute?
Who is saying that they expect this to be a success? I havent seen MS say it?

I think we agree?

It sounds they are making a high end console / PC hybrid to me. Some frankenstein monster.

By the way, plenty of people spend 3 to 4 thousand pounds on gaming devices each week. That is happening right now. It's called 16GB of RAM

 

[RoboFu]

So, this freaking thing is going to run WOW, Dota 2 and Counter Strike 2? If they can ship it cheaper than a mid-tier gaming PC then it'll be very attractive.

its goin to be $999 if its coming out next year. ... with 18 - 20 gigs of ram.

 

[Darsxx82]

Even the msrp for the PS5 Pro (2 TB) is only 750 $, while MS wants 800 $ for a XSX with 2 TB..

My guess is that Sony plans to release the PS6 at an affordable price.
Maybe even with a bit loss, like they did with the PS4.
No matter how expensive the Xbox 5/Xbox Magnus will be.

??
It's just as true that MS is selling XS consoles at a price where it's clearly not competitive with the PS5... as it is that the claim that the 2TB XSX is 800$ is totally not true.

XSX 1Tb digital is 549'99€
XSX 1Tb disc is 599'99€
XSX 2TB disc Galactic is 699'99€ (this is a special edition console basically VS PS5PRO 799'99€.)

Clearly, Microsoft is selling its consoles while trying not to lose money on each one, even if it means decimating sales figures. Microsoft has clearly decided they already amortized the Xbox Series gen hardware, and the sales slowdown is being offset by game sales on other platforms.

The decisions regarding the new Xbox Next take this new situation into account, which is why they're focusing on a "niche" premium product with an unsubsidized price, unlike the traditional console, to attract hardcore Xbox fans who make up the majority of current GPU subscribers and are the biggest spenders.
A very powerful and premium Xbox "console," which runs Xbox Studios games better than the "competition" (that now have these games too), with the largest possible catalog on a platform, (perhaps the possible) no online play fees, and which even serves as a benchmark for events and showcases... it's certainly a product that can generate better press and a better brand image (something Xbox needs a lot now) on social media and forums than a traditional Xbox console without exclusives, with a catalog and third-party support that will be always in question, and with hardly any differentiation from what offer a PlayStation in hardware.

In other words, a premium product with low risk for both Microsoft and its potential users, designed to generate revenue from the Xbox store and impulse it .... while selling its games on most of the platforms that were previously competitors.

The strategy couldn't be clearer at this point. It makes perfect sense given the reality of Xbox (multiplatform) and Microsoft itself (separate Windows Gaming and Xbox no longer make sense). How it's executed and how successful it is is another matter entirely.

 

[DenchDeckard]

??
It's just as true that MS is selling XS consoles at a price where it's clearly not competitive with the PS5... as it is that the claim that the 2TB XSX is 800$ is totally not true.

XSX 1Tb digital is 549'99€
XSX 1Tb disc is 599'99€
XSX 2TB disc Galactic is 699'99€ (and this is a special edition console basically)

Clearly, Microsoft is selling its consoles while trying not to lose money on each one, even if it means decimating sales figures. Microsoft has clearly decided they already amortized the Xbox Series gen hardware, and the sales slowdown is being offset by game sales on other platforms.

The decisions regarding the new Xbox Next take this new situation into account, which is why they're focusing on a "niche" product with an unsubsidized price, unlike the traditional console, to attract hardcore Xbox fans who make up the majority of current GPU subscribers and are the biggest spenders.

In other words, a premium product with low risk for both Microsoft and its potential users, designed to generate revenue from the Xbox store while selling its games on most of the platforms that were previously competitors.

The strategy couldn't be clearer at this point. It makes perfect sense given the reality of Xbox (multiplatform) and Microsoft itself (separate Windows Gaming and Xbox no longer make sense). How it's executed and how successful it is is another matter entirely.

This pretty much nails it IMO. Great post.

 

[Topher]

So, this freaking thing is going to run WOW, Dota 2 and Counter Strike 2? If they can ship it cheaper than a mid-tier gaming PC then it'll be very attractive.

Especially if I can install linux on it

 

[memoryman3]

Problem is they lost the majority of the buyers when they were priced competitively

Xbox has lost their way and if they don't clean house in their upper management it wont be long and Xbox only hardware they will be producing are controllers

If I was running Xbox I start putting actual exclusives on the next gen hardware and not PC and limit Gamepass on what it gets days one

Aren't they already doing that? Game Pass doesn't get day one titles unless you opt for the expensive $30 tier. Though I think there should be more Premium tier day one games.

In terms of exclusivity, if they are serious about building their storefront they should stop releasing games on Steam. Everyone plays on Windows and Microsoft can let PS5 and Switch cover the missing markets. Yes, I think PS5 releases are less damaging than Steam releases.

 

[adamsapple]

Especially if I can install linux on it

Windows 11 full screen experience with a working notepad is all you need.

 

[DeepEnigma]

If I was running Xbox I start putting actual exclusives on the next gen hardware and not PC and limit Gamepass on what it gets days one

At this point, that might end them completely.

They have people far too deep in the 'no buy' on console conditioning, nor do they have "must haves" anymore. The 360 era of their portfolio IP strength is left in that era.

 

[IntentionalPun]

$1799

 

[DeepEnigma]

$1799

Yep. They're not subsidizing this.

Post in thread '[Windows Central] EXCLUSIVE: New details on Xbox's next-gen console(s) — and Microsoft's most ambitious gaming plans ever'

Wednesday at 8:05 PM

@KeplerL2 stated Magnus is RTX 5080 tier in Raster, and MLID stated it could be up to 5090 tier in Raytracing and Upscaling capabilities.

Sounds like minimum of $1500-$2000+.

• DeepEnigma

 

[mayham2199]

If I was running Xbox I start putting actual exclusives on the next gen hardware and not PC and limit Gamepass on what it gets days one

I honestly think they should just get rid of gamepass. Get the users they have to just start buying games again. Just come out apologize, say you tried something new and it's not working and is hurting the business. Say you'll be moving to something more a long the lines of PS+ and move on. Give everyone a refund or store credit or something and be done with it.

 

[Zacfoldor]

 

[ABnormal]

Ya that makes sense, probably $999-1299

The era of $399 consoles are over!

That would make over the era of consoles themselves.

 

[Radical_3d]

68 CUs Faster than a 9070 XT...Noice.

Might even be better than a 4080 Super.

 

[Corporal.Hicks]

Yep. They're not subsidizing this.

Post in thread '[Windows Central] EXCLUSIVE: New details on Xbox's next-gen console(s) — and Microsoft's most ambitious gaming plans ever'

Wednesday at 8:05 PM

@KeplerL2 stated Magnus is RTX 5080 tier in Raster, and MLID stated it could be up to 5090 tier in Raytracing and Upscaling capabilities.

Sounds like minimum of $1500-$2000+.

• DeepEnigma

5080? That would be a really big boy for a console. UE5 games will run like a dream.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Dunno. Sony could raise the price of the PS5 up to 600 $ and would still be 50 $ cheaper than the XSX.
But Sony doesn't plan to raise the prices (for this year), even when they could and blame it on the RAM prices.
Even the msrp for the PS5 Pro (2 TB) is only 750 $, while MS wants 800 $ for a XSX with 2 TB..

My guess is that Sony plans to release the PS6 at an affordable price.
Maybe even with a bit loss, like they did with the PS4.
No matter how expensive the Xbox 5/Xbox Magnus will be.

Sony relies to on playstation and it is a very healthy strong business for them so they don't want to rock the boat and raise prices. They also have a huge opportunity to win potential Xbox purchases due to a cheaper price ( I know, who is shopping for an Xbox)

Microsoft in comparison has been running around in circles for over 10 years trying to work out what their USP is over playstation. This is where we are

 

[splattered]

Kinda weird to see people assume Sony is going to save them and keep costs down... if you want a cheaper console you are going to get a lot lower specs on a next gen machine. Pick your poison. Id rather pay more for a beefy ass machine and enjoy most power I could get for the next generation of my favorite hobby. And not in a pc, I already have a high end gaming pc and only use it for simple work tasks. Anyone praying for Sony to spit out a $700 ps6 will not be happy with the end product imo.

 

[Dorfdad]

Because some people don't want a gaming pc because why would anyone choose a ps pro over a pc at this point?

You want the ease of one device that runs your content and that's that.

I don't know why people wouldn't buy a pc but if this delivers over 9070 XT performance I might pick one up for a spare room. If the price is right.

Plenty of reasons honestly. I am one such fool. I own a 9850 and 5090 PC and hate it between having 5 launchers, driver conflicts, os updates and bad pc ports for most game I spend more time playing with the damn settings than ever playing games. I get it it's better but I'm older now and just want to play games not play with my OS. Sell me a proper game console with high 4k/120 settings and im in. I hook mine to my LG oled and hate having to navigate and use a keyboard etc for stuff. I get the appeal but there are plenty of people in my shoes

 

[DeepEnigma]

5080? That would be for a really big boy for a console. UE5 games will run like a dream.

 

[EN250]

With how many eagles does it comes?

New measurement unlocked, how many eagles duck-taped together?

Sounds expensive, but they're not restricted by console rules anymore, so let's see how far they can push this beast

 

[Imtjnotu]

They had to make it this powerful just to make up for how many resources windows is going to hog while running.

The steam version will be a fucking tank of a machine tho

 

[MisterXDTV]

Probably the most DOA product ever conceived by a a corporation

Just hilarious

 

[memoryman3]

The issue is, once you start talking those kind of prices why not just buy a proper gaming PC that you can upgrade for years to come?

A PC equivalent to this would be $2000-3000, and if you do buy a PC, you'll be getting every feature of this anyway?

If they put 48GB of memory on this thing you won't need to upgrade it for a decade.