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[rodrigolfp]

Unfortunately emulators can be targeted if they circumvent protection as those algorithms are protected by the DMCA. That is why they don't attack SNES or prior emulation.

No emulator can circumvent protections as well, afaik.

 

[Impotaku]

Nintendo fans blindly defending Nintendo and its anti-consumer, anti-competitive tactics calling other people retarded, oh the irony

 

[kiphalfton]

Show us in the doll where Shiggy Miyamoto touched you.

- $500 switch 2
- $80 games
- Re-re-remastered games
- etc.

Nintendo fanboys are the only ones who don't see how badly Nintendo abuses them.

 

[Emmy Ator Best]

- $500 switch 2

$450 liar

- $80 games

Only Mario Kart World, liar again

- Re-re-remastered games

That's Sony

- etc.

Nintendo fanboys are the only ones who don't see how badly Nintendo abuses them.

When you make up shit about them Nintendo can be pretty bad but we shouldn't care about your delusions

 

[IDKFA]

Nintendo fanboys are the only ones who don't see how badly Nintendo abuses them.

MK World is £75 for the physical copy in the UK and £66 for digital. I got it bundled with my Switch 2, so I didn't pay it, but I will admit the price increase is insane. MK8 on the Switch launched at £49.99. A £25 increase for a sequel to the same game is insane.

However, I am a Nintendo slut.

I can't help myself.

I've tried leaving Nintendo. I just can't do it. Their games are my comfort zone. If they charge £75 for the next 3D Mario, Zelda etc then I'll complain and still pay it.

 

[Lionel Richie]

- $500 switch 2
- $80 games
- Re-re-remastered games
- etc.

Nintendo fanboys are the only ones who don't see how badly Nintendo abuses them.

You sound pretty mad.

 

[TintoConCasera]

I will never understand people simping for corporations and defending anti-consumer practices but I guess there are a lot of weird things in this world that science still doesn't have an explanation for.

 

[nkarafo]

I will never understand people simping for corporations and defending anti-consumer practices but I guess there are a lot of weird things in this world that science still doesn't have an explanation for.

Maybe they are holding Nintendo stocks or are employed by the company in some way. That would explain such levels of shilling.

 

[darrylgorn]

I think it's possible to look at this situation and be disappointed without going crazy over it. I personally think it's definitely an overreach and I just don't really care to buy any Nintendo stuff again (yet haha).

At the same time, it is also pretty silly to defend Nintendo like some cult fanboy. You can still be a Nintendo consumer and be critical of their policies.

 

[Hudo]

Most of the emulators out there are self-hosting their Git repos, so Nintendo can't do shit.

 

[FoxMcChief]

$450 liar

Only Mario Kart World, liar again

That's Sony

When you make up shit about them Nintendo can be pretty bad but we shouldn't care about your delusions

It's the weekend. The idiots come out in droves.

 

[nial]

That's Sony

I will never understand people simping for corporations and defending anti-consumer practices but I guess there are a lot of weird things in this world that science still doesn't have an explanation for.

Maybe they are holding Nintendo stocks or are employed by the company in some way. That would explain such levels of shilling.

If you want to have a good laugh:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/nintendo-dmcad-every-switch-emulator-on-github.1436095/

These are my favorite ones:

The argument of "they run so bad I HAVE TO emulate them" is funny when the Switch 2 is now out and eliminates that problem for the most part.

Why would I rip my legally bought Switch games to emulate on PC for higher FPS and resolution when I can just instead spend $450 on a console just for the purpose of playing these BC titles that may or may not perform better?

tbh I'd thought a gaming entusiast forum would actually want to support the developers creating the games they like.

Whereas it seems like lots of people resent the companies making the games. Then do everything possible to minimise the amount you spend on it, and then attempt to argue in favour of an emulator developer who was facilatiting piracy of these games.

I don't think its strange to rather a game do as well as possible and see a sequel to the game. Than to care for some rando wanting to emulate it on their 8K monitor or whatever.

80M Mario Kart 8 Deluxe copies sold, this is what you're worrying about. Also, equaling emulation to piracy again.

The hilarious thing is that Switch 1 emulation will never cease to exist no matter how much Nintendo keeps seething about it.

 

[Emmy Ator Best]

Oh no they updated if for free!

 

[Panajev2001a]

They don't understand that by emboldening corporations to do this greedy shit they're accelerating their demise

Only thing is that I do not think Nintendo dwells I forums as much as MS did so they get less high off of their own supply so to speak.

 

[nial]

Oh no they updated if for free!

You can upgrade your 3DS copy to the Switch version for FREE!? WOW!

 

[MidGenRefresh]

Rule number 1 in gaming: never buy Nintendo. If you really have to, buy second hand. Don't give them a penny.

 

[Facism]

Emulation is not illegal, and everyone who went to court against emulation lost.
What Nintendo is doing is legal bullying, they know these developers don't have the money to sustain a lawsuit.

But sAy It iNfRonT oV a JuDge

 

[Emmy Ator Best]

But sAy It iNfRonT oV a JuDge

Can you guys stop coping because Bleem won against Sony in 1972 or something like that? It doesn't matter anymore. Both Yuzu and Ryujinx waved the white flag so fast. Hmm I wonder why.

 

[Sand Dan Glokta]

Can you guys stop coping because Bleem won against Sony in 1972 or something like that? It doesn't matter anymore. Both Yuzu and Ryujinx waved the white flag so fast. Hmm I wonder why.

Lol the term "Nintendo Karen" fits you aptly. Make sure not to wash your mouth after each tonguing session of Nintendo to savour the taste for as long as possible.

 

[Emmy Ator Best]

Lol the term "Nintendo Karen" fits you aptly. Make sure not to wash your mouth after each tonguing session of Nintendo to savour the taste for as long as possible.

Sorry I slap you back to reality with facts. Emulation is perfectly legal guys only problem is we can't explain why an emulator developer shits his pants when Nintendo sends their lawyers!

 

[MidGenRefresh]

Sorry I slap you back to reality with facts. Emulation is perfectly legal guys only problem is we can't explain why an emulator developer shits his pants when Nintendo sends their lawyers!

Hmmmmmmmm, maybe because even when you're legally in the right, being dragged through courts is expensive and extremely stressful?

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

You know I'm a bit of a DMCA-goer myself, too

 

[darth.shrimp]

Just gonna add my 2 cents.

Emulation itself is legal.
Piracy (i.e. using emulation to play games you don't own) is theft.
Using tools to circumvent the protection on a piece of hardware or software you legally purchased is probably against the EULA, whether it's Nintendo or Sony. How legal those EULAs are is debatable and depends on your region.

For the record, I do use emulators, I have played exactly three games on Switch emulators (Ryujinx at first, now Sudachi): the Castlevania Dominus Collection (come on, games are antiques), Kirby and the Forgotten Land (wanted to see how well it ran, loved it so much that I went and bought it the next day), and Xenoblade 2 (modded, because fuck that bullshit treehouse localization/censorshpip), which I also own since release.

 

[Emmy Ator Best]

Hmmmmmmmm, maybe because even when you're legally in the right, being dragged through courts is expensive and extremely stressful?

Yuzu made a lot of money on Patreon and if they asked I'm sure they could've got a lot more donations to defend themselves against Nintendo. Couldn't have been that hard if emulation is as legal as everyone says. But instead they got sued February 26th and on March 4th it was already over.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

Yuzu made a lot of money on Patreon

How much?

 

[spons]

How much?

They made about 30k a month for 3 and a half years or so? That's a million plus income. Still less than what they paid Nintendo.

 

[nkarafo]

Hmm I wonder why.

Bleem was a company selling a product, they had money and needed to protect themselves.

A random hobbyist making an emulator is just that. A hobbyist. A lawsuit like this is not worth the time or money or stress.

Emulators are legal, no matter how much that idea may hurt your stocks.

 

[nkarafo]

Piracy (i.e. using emulation to play games you don't own) is theft.

No, piracy is not "using emulation to play games you don't own". Piracy is getting games you don't own in general. Where you play them or how you use those files is irrelevant.

Piracy exists on PC, you can download a cracked game and play it natively, no emulation is required. Even on consoles, you could soft/hard mod them and play unauthorized copies on them without an emulator.

 

[Emmy Ator Best]

Bleem was a company selling a product, they had money and needed to protect themselves.

A random hobbyist making an emulator is just that. A hobbyist. A lawsuit like this is not worth the time or money or stress.

Emulators are legal, no matter how much that idea may hurt your stocks.

And here you just proved that you are completely clueless. Yuzu was a company too, Tropic Haze LLC.

 

[Astray]

Most of the emulators out there are self-hosting their Git repos, so Nintendo can't do shit.

They may not have to comply with DMCAs, but their web hosts almost certainly have to to retain safe harbor protections.

 

[awwr999999]

If they could only release some hardware that ran their games as good as emulators do... or just start doing PC releases. Once you go BoTW at 60 FPS, you never go back.

Nintendo needs to stop using software emulation and put their legacy HW into a console.
While they're at it they may as well develop some kind of system that makes it impossible to emulate their games in a playable state.

 

[The_Mike]

Nintendo doesn't allow me to steal their games how dare they!

 

[The_Mike]

When has it ever happened that Nintendo sold you something and then took it away from you without a refund?

The entire Wii, Wii U, and 3ds Digital store

 

[nkarafo]

And here you just proved that you are completely clueless. Yuzu was a company too, Tropic Haze LLC.

Yes, i'm sure this "company" wasn't just a name but a real company and as big as the one producing Bleem.

 

[Emmy Ator Best]

The entire Wii, Wii U, and 3ds Digital store

Wrong. Can't buy games anymore but what you bought is still downloadable.

Yes, i'm sure this "company" wasn't just a name but a real company and as big as the one producing Bleem.

Have you looked into it or you're just assuming that Bleem was big? Bleem started with 2 people and ended with 8. Now I can't find how many maintainers Yuzu had but I can do it for Ryujinx, second biggest Switch emulator but much less successful, and they had 10 people.

 

[The_Mike]

Wrong. Can't buy games anymore but what you bought is still downloadable.

I stand corrected.

But Nintendo can't lose money over people pirating what can no longer be purchased.

It's their fault for not selling it.

 

[daninthemix]

Pretty funny watching Nintendo play whack-a-mole.

 

[ValiantInstance]

This will end up being a Streisand effect, as these kind of legal overreaches tend to be.

On a side note, it's always nice when a troll is obviously trying way too hard and earns an easy spot on my ignore list.

 

[Clear]

Why is anyone in the least bit shocked that Nintendo wouldn't seek to protect their business against what they will (reasonably) deem market substitution ?

 

[Gaiff]

Wouldn't be be a problem if their hardware wasn't shit.

 

[bigdad2007]

Guns kill people - let's ban guns.
Cars kill people - let's ban cars.

Emulation can be used to pirate a videogame, so…

Shit take, try again. Also, you know how it goes - if buying isn't owning, pirating isn't stealing. Regardless emulation has been ruled legal in many countries, and Nintendo knows that. This is plain bullying.

I love emulation and have been doing it for a long time, but let's face it. 99.99999999999% of all emulation is piracy. Almost no one is playing their own backups of anything. Hell even Nintendo itself has been caught using rom dumps from online for their official emulation in the past.

 

[nkarafo]

Have you looked into it or you're just assuming that Bleem was big? Bleem started with 2 people and ended with 8. Now I can't find how many maintainers Yuzu had but I can do it for Ryujinx, second biggest Switch emulator but much less successful, and they had 10 people.

But they don't sell any product, like the Bleem company did.

 

[SirHenri]

I stand corrected.

But Nintendo can't lose money over people pirating what can no longer be purchased.

It's their fault for not selling it.

then explain why piracy was 99% switch games before the crackdown?

 

[SirHenri]

But they don't sell any product, like the Bleem company did.

selling an early acces for a montly fee is the very definition of a service aka a product

 

[nkarafo]

But Nintendo can't lose money over people pirating what can no longer be purchased.

Doesn't matter if a game can be purchased or not.

Pirates pirate games because they are available to pirate. Not because they really care about every game they pirate. They wouldn't buy those games if they weren't available to pirate. thus, Nintendo doesn't really lose any money because those people would never be customers either way. The "1 download = 1 lost sale" is a bullshit myth.

selling an early acces for a montly fee is the very definition of a service aka a product

Ok then, if they had the money then i don't know why they wouldn't defend themselves. I'm assuming they got a better deal from Nintendo themselves. Otherwise they did have a chance in court because emulation is legal.

 

[SirHenri]

Doesn't matter if a game can be purchased or not.

Pirates pirate games because they are available to pirate. Not because they really care about every game they pirate. They wouldn't buy those games if they weren't available to pirate. thus, Nintendo doesn't really lose any money because those people would never be customers either way. The "1 download = 1 lost sale" is a bullshit myth.



Ok then, if they had the money then i don't know why they wouldn't defend themselves. I'm assuming they got a better deal from Nintendo themselves. Otherwise they did have a chance in court because emulation is legal.

they used early leaked illegal roms of tears of the kingdom in order to have a working build of yuzu ready for launch, i wouldn't try to defend those kind of things in court personnaly

 

[BacklashWave534]

If they could only release some hardware that ran their games as good as emulators do... or just start doing PC releases. Once you go BoTW at 60 FPS, you never go back.

This sums it up perfectly.

 

[nkarafo]

they used early leaked illegal roms of tears of the kingdom in order to have a working build of yuzu ready for launch, i wouldn't try to defend those kind of things in court personnaly

Oh so it wasn't because the emulator itself is illegal, but because of the use of a leaked illegal rom.

 

[SirHenri]

Oh so it wasn't because the emulator itself is illegal, but because of the use of a leaked illegal rom.

i wouldn't say it was the main factor but it definitively pointed nintendo eyes around them.