I'll believe it when I see it in a full game rather than a tech demo, and if it's scalable for smaller teams without CD Projekt money + close Epic partnership.
Epic was actually fairly honest with their marketing. They came out and said they were targeting 1440p 30 fps when they revealed the first PS5 UE5 demo. Then when they revealed hardware lumen, and the valley of the ancient demo, they said xsx and ps5 would target 1080p 30 fps. And thats pretty much what they delivered with the Matrix. Actually closer to 1440p at times.
That's not blaming the engine. But I know better than discussing UE5 with Epic's resident GAF advocate. We've been through this before. We agree to disagree.
this is some strong cope (everytime you refer to the non-UE5 games the somehow get worsen and worsen). UE5, beyond looking good in screenshots (Oblivion: Remastered is the poster child of customers going for bullshots), has missed the mark on one of its biggest markets (consoles) and even its own tech demo was showing issues that became hallmarks of UE5 temporal artefacts (panning the camera around the main character would leave a soup of pixels behind her)???
I also think DF are now more and more saying what they think people like to hear, rather than an honest opinion to get likes and subs.
Unlike typical angry gamers, who don't know much about technology and only see a low framerate on their console, the Digital Foundry guys see the reality. Lumen (real-time lighting) and Nanite (unlimited geometry) come at a cost and require a certain level of hardware power to run at 60 fps at a high resolution. Epic spent a lot of money optimising these techniques as much as possible. Even without RT cores, Lumen lighting runs as fast as RT GI on a GPU with RT cores (I tested that, so I know and can show you examples). People praised ID tech 7 engine in Doom Eternal but once ID added RT GI to their next game "DOOM The Dark Ages" performance matched lumen in UE5 games. This shows how incredibly optimised Lumen is, not the other way around. As for Nanite, try rendering a similar amount of geometry without Nanite in another engine and see how the framerate compares. I was able to test the UE5 tech demos on a GTX 1080, and enabling Nanite didn't destroy the framerate, so I actually think Nanite is incredibly optimised. Other games (engines) may run faster, but they aren't rendering half of what UE5 games render. Show me a game with a more detailed ground surface than Hellblade 2, where every single small rock is rendered with geometry, that runs at a much higher framerate. Only then will you have proof that UE5 is unoptimised.
You said it yourself that you get good results with the engine if developers know what they are doing then go on that it is somehow still the engine`s fault if it isn`t used well half a sentence later.
If the best that can do an experience team with UE5 is Arc Raiders, well…You said it yourself that you get good results with the engine if developers know what they are doing then go on that it is somehow still the engine`s fault if it isn`t used well half a sentence later.
The simple truth is that the consoles aren`t strong enough for all the bells and whistles, at least not at the performance and resolution targets people have come to expect. It´s a very different thing on PC.If the best that can do an experience team with UE5 is Arc Raiders, well…
The consoles not being powerful enough is not a revelation of a shitty engine. Is something everybody knows. Is something the customer knows and accept when he pays 1/3 of the price. The thing is: the consoles are not powerful enough period. With all the engines. But there is one engine that consistently under performs in consoles and mid-low end PCs even when it works correctly. A shitty engine. Do more with more power is not the mark of a good engine. We've been through this with Crysis almost 20 years ago, people.
the engine is not to blame when devs simply flip feature switches without a second look....Look at how far Ubisoft went with the adaption of their RTGI and Nanite solutions to the consoles...You could do the same in UE5....no one has done it. This isn`t an engine issue (aside from the old traversal stutters) this is a dev issue.
Games look last gen when you disable next/current gen features instead of optimizing them, no shit sherlock...And when they turn it off it looks like Arc Raiders. Again:
Yeah. Every game that runs ok in mid hardware looks like Arc Raiders.
The incoherent jumps in your reasoning are baffling....Yeah. Every game that runs ok in mid hardware looks like Arc Raiders.
The mental gymnastics. After more than 20 years over here I'm used to them, but it used to be defending a machine, not fucking engine.
The issue is is that UE5 comes packed with tons of features that were usually done by third parties and are now 'baked in'. Lets say you want a volumetric cloud solution along with realistic lighting, in the past you'd perhaps enable it via a different vendor and getting the plugin to work would require some time and effort.You said it yourself that you get good results with the engine if developers know what they are doing then go on that it is somehow still the engine`s fault if it isn`t used well half a sentence later.
As if devs that allot zero time to configuration and optimization would be better off with any other engine, let alone be able to create their own with good results.
And yet you didn't rebate any.The incoherent jumps in your reasoning are baffling....
Nothing to rebate on incoherent babble.
And yet you didn't rebate any.
I'm off, people. You can circle jerk around this POS all you want.
debatable rebuttals =p
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You guys upgraded your PCs recently and now have an RTX 5080. Could you share your thoughts on the image quality and frame rate of your current PC in UE5 games? Are you happy with the results you're getting with UE5 games on your PC? Have you noticed any issues that makes UE5 much worse compared to other engines?
People in this thread praise Death Stranding 2 graphics and image quality, so I checked the console screenshot thread to see what I'm missing.
The DS2 graphics look okay, but they're not in the same league as UE5 games. The geometry isn't very complex, the textures are flat, and the image quality doesn't look 4K like on my 4K monitor.
What's the most most impressive game I saw in console screenshot thread? UE5 game Black Myth Wukong.
D Darsxx82 screenshots from XSX version, probably in quality mode.
It depends on particular game, even native 4k60 even w/o rt is out of the question in some games, but dlss transformative model makes huge difference, but u still gotta fiddle with settings and for example use dlss balanced so native 1080p dlssed to 4k is fine enough.
People in this thread praise Death Stranding 2 graphics and image quality, so I checked the console screenshot thread to see what I'm missing.
The DS2 graphics look okay, but they're not in the same league as UE5 games. The geometry isn't very complex, the textures are flat, and the image quality doesn't look 4K like on my 4K monitor.
What's the most most impressive game I saw in console screenshot thread? UE5 game Black Myth Wukong.
D Darsxx82 screenshots from XSX version, probably in quality mode.
