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Monitoring the situation in Iran

Iran is a terrorist country that has carried out attacks against Israel, Europe and US. Whoever is against the removal of their criminal governtment is either mentally ill or a straight up traitor to the West.

The people of Iran deserve a better life and become the country they were before the ayatolahs took over.
 
efyu_lemonardo said:
Historians of the future will remember that it was not airstrikes or sanctions that defeated the Iranian regime, but stern words.
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I can understand the Germans not wanting to get involved in a major war, considering the last big one they were involved and how the world now sees them because of that.
But the UK and France don't have the same historical precedent. In fact, Iran has been supporting Russia in their invasion of Ukraine. So one would expect them to do a bit more to take down Iran.
 
Ipsi said:
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Candice Ownes thinks Kirk was murdered because he knew this war was coming? And because of that she stands against Israel?

She's such a basket case. I always thought she was odd believing in conspiracy theories like the moon landings not being real, but she really is off her rocker. Mad as a brush.
 
Trunx81 said:
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Didn't expect the E3 to make a comeback in 2026!
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Because negotiations helped so much in Ukraine, in Gaza, in Iran, in Afghanistan….

Just keep watching and refrain from interfering, even if it's the right cause, the EU will be gone so fast it'll make their heads spin…
 
thuGG_pl said:
I've seen that reported on few news feeds, including one of the bigger ones in Poland, so I yeah. But of course it can be BS.
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I see outlets like NPR reporting that Iran state media is saying that a school was hit, but not that any independent outlet is verifying it.

We'll see how it plays out, but do you not find it suspicious that any time Gaza, Lebanon, Iran, etc. get hit, their media immediately reports dozens of dead children/babies? As if that's something the US and Israel just like doing so we make sure to do it early and often.

The reports never get verified by anyone else and routinely the video evidence provided is fake or recycled from another time. But the message gets spread on social media as fact so it becomes adopted as truth.
 
Ecotic said:
The strategy ultimately depending upon Iranians taking to the streets and toppling the government is such an unreliable thing to gamble a war on. It's leaving the outcome to chance, and the U.S. military doesn't usually do hope as a strategy.
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The US and Israel are not going to win this war through air power alone. Aerial bombing campaigns are the first stage of a war and are always followed by ground war. There doesn't seem to be any sign of that and it would be madness for the US/Israel to do invade Iran by themselves. How are they going to topple the Iranian regime if neither country is willing to put soldiers on Iranian soil?
 
Svalr93 said:
You don't know that no one knows what would've happened.
Just because one official says this doesn't mean we can know for sure, the point is that the US would've had better diplomatic abilities to de-escalate and pressure Iran there was no real reason to pull out of it much like there wasn't for the other organizations Trump just randomly decided to pull out of en masse now in his second term.
Just because a deal or organization isn't perfect doesn't mean you pull out of it only to be left with nothing.

Even if for the sake of the argument the end result would've been the same ( which again we don't know ) it still doesn't change how moronic it was and how it increased the chances this would happen a million times over by removing any sort of checks and safe guards that existed before.
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You've framed your response to me as though I was against the deal. I was supportive of it, and was actually pissed at the time when Trump pulled out of the deal back in 2018. I was naively hopeful.

The thing is, there was always an element of playing dumb that Iran would do publicly. They would emphasize that uranium enrichment was for electricity, peaceful purposes only. But the Iranian official admitting that nukes were always the goal removes the "no one knows" angle that you're trying to use. If obtaining nukes so they can be like Pakistan has always been the goal, then it's no longer a question of "if" on the subject of nukes, but "when". Maintaining the deal would have slowed the timeline, but the intended outcome was already decided by the Iranian theocracy.
 
thuGG_pl said:
I've seen that reported on few news feeds, including one of the bigger ones in Poland, so I yeah. But of course it can be BS.
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If you passively watch the news and don't question the source of the data then you're doing it wrong. News organizations repeatedly spew state propaganda from authoritarian countries like Russia or Iran all the time, even terrorist groups like Hamas.

First is to determine if it even happened and then if it did, who was responsible. We're talking about countries where their own missiles could have failed and hit their own schools in the same way their missiles down their own airliners.
 
TheAtomicPile said:
I see outlets like NPR reporting that Iran state media is saying that a school was hit, but not that any independent outlet is verifying it.

We'll see how it plays out, but do you not find it suspicious that any time Gaza, Lebanon, Iran, etc. get hit, their media immediately reports dozens of dead children/babies? As if that's something the US and Israel just like doing so we make sure to do it early and often.

The reports never get verified by anyone else and routinely the video evidence provided is fake or recycled from another time. But the message gets spread on social media as fact so it becomes adopted as truth.
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Two things can be true at the same time. Innocent people will be killed. Regime media will focus on and magnify that aspect.

The real fog of war is that neither side will tell us the whole story, especially not now when it's hard to get confirmation for obvious reasons.
 
sono said:
Was Venezuala an oil backup plan re straights of hormuz risk
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That's a theory I've also come across. At least the Americas will have oil when the global supply goes down. The Netherlands is fucked. My country is dependent on continuous LNG deliveries. When the Straights of Hormuz become a war zone there'll be no more LNG tankers from the Arab Gulf states coming to Europe. That's going to be interesting to put it mildly since the since the Dutch national gas storage is almost depleted (10%).
 
winjer said:
I can understand the Germans not wanting to get involved in a major war, considering the last big one they were involved and how the world now sees them because of that.
But the UK and France don't have the same historical precedent. In fact, Iran has been supporting Russia in their invasion of Ukraine. So one would expect them to do a bit more to take down Iran.
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I really don't feel like there's any level of appetite for war for the Europeans. The majority of cannon fodder, aka the white men, aren't exactly eager to go die somewhere while Abdullah and Mohamad sit snugly and safely chilling with their welfare. Europe's major problems are internal, not external. Especially not a country as far away as Iran.
 
kruis said:
The US and Israel are not going to win this war through air power alone. Aerial bombing campaigns are the first stage of a war and are always followed by ground war. There doesn't seem to be any sign of that and it would be madness for the US/Israel to do invade Iran by themselves. How are they going to topple the Iranian regime if neither country is willing to put soldiers on Iranian soil?
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Yeah, that's just what I was getting at. Trump wants a quick and cheap regime decapitation, without boots on the ground. But if his people's revolution doesn't materialize and the regime holds on, it'll be hard to declare victory without further escalation.
 
Madonis said:
Two things can be true at the same time. Innocent people will be killed. Regime media will focus on and magnify that aspect.

The real fog of war is that neither side will tell us the whole story, especially not now when it's hard to get confirmation for obvious reasons.
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For sure. The problem in this case though is that these typically unverified or outright false reports have been (successfully) used to paint the US and Israel in particular as genociders/baby killers/whatever. As if the children aren't unfortunate casualties of larger military operations, but deliberate targets of Israel. Because those sneaky Jews love killing children.
 
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StueyDuck said:
have you just purposely been avoiding the news of the last month or did you just not like that it didn't line up with your world view, the US has been trying to negotiate with Iran for many years, before Trump even took his second term, Bidens assessment was trying to bribe them $40 bil not to be comic book villians, trumps idea was to try bully them into a deal, both methods collapsed and they wanted to continue twirling their literal cartoon moustaches.

It doesn't matter who would have been in charge of the US right now; this was going to happen one way or another.
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And it's even worse now that Iran is pummeling the U.S. in the region.
 
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Trilobit said:
I really don't feel like there's any level of appetite for war for the Europeans. The majority of cannon fodder, aka the white men, aren't exactly eager to go die somewhere while Abdullah and Mohamad sit snugly and safely chilling with their welfare. Europe's major problems are internal, not external. Especially not a country as far away as Iran.
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And for this very reason Europe needs Iran free of islamism, since it's one of the epicentres of armed islamists. They are also behind the Palestine psyops that has rotten the left. Having a secular Iran would improve not only the MEA region but also remove one of the biggest supporters of the islamic invasion of Europe and antiwest propaganda groups in USA.
 
winjer said:
Sorry, but the "other side" doesn't have people as evil and vile as those and Khomeini.
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ISIS came into existence because of the actions in Iraq, just as an example. It essentially made the US even more fearful and less safe than before is all I'm saying.

And Israel is getting attacked right now because of their actions in Gaza, so it also is less safe.

Violence just breeds retaliation.

Attacking is just a dumb move, politically.
 
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darrylgorn said:
ISIS came out because of the actions in Iraq, just as an example. It essentially made the US even more fearful and less safe than before is all I'm saying.
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But that was an unintended consequence.
Besides, ISIS was never on the side of the USA, the free world, or anyone that wasn't a complete fanatical islamist.
 
darrylgorn said:
ISIS came out because of the actions in Iraq, just as an example. It essentially made the US even more fearful and less safe than before is all I'm saying.

And Israel is getting attacked right now because of their actions in Gaza, so it also is less safe.

Violence just breeds retaliation.

Attacking is just a dumb move, politically.
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And what brought about Israel's recent actions in Gaza?
 
darrylgorn said:
Nah.

This means as much as Sadam, Ghadaffi and Osama.

In other words, it only strengthened the other side.
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In the case of Gadaffi his death was actually sort of a catastrophe for Europe, him being a bulwark against migrants/refugees. The migration crisis wouldn't have been as great had he kept running Libya.

So the unfolding of these sorts of events are never clear-cut.
 
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falconhoof said:


Starting to see multiple posts on this now. I presume it means that photos of the body will appear if it's true.
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What's his death really going to change? It's not like he was the last one of his kind and there are no more clerics left to take over his position...
 
TheAtomicPile said:
And what brought about Israel's recent actions in Gaza?
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Israel's violent apartheid lead to retaliation, then to their continued attack on Gaza.

That's why everyone now recognizes Israel as the villain.

winjer said:
But that was an unintended consequence.
Besides, ISIS was never on the side of the USA, the free world, or anyone that wasn't a complete fanatical islamist.
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Unintended if you can't predict what happens from one moment to the next. But obvious to most people that violence breeds retaliation.

I mean, look, I don't care if the U.S. wants to continue hurting itself. I'm just saying, it's stupid.
 
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