delishcaek
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Crimson Desert on PlayStation 5 Pro - The Digital Foundry Deep Dive
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MMaRsu
Member
2018 called, yeah
Which other games are on the lvl of RDR2?
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
Aesthetically I don't like this game one second
Even Zelda is looking better, if we speak about art and not raw tech. Any recent AC is just more pleasant to look at, and I kinda hate Valhalla and Shadows
Bojji
Gold Member
2018 called, yeah
Can you fly in RDR2 (outside of that scripted baloon mission)?
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
so far flying sections in CD are the ugliest, but It's about aesthetics and not technology (and even then, LOD popup in DF footage is borderline comical at times).
I know I'm the minority here, so I'm taking my lola willingly.
GymWolf
Gold Member
This generic ps3 looking ass stuff with dull colors is artistically better than crimson?
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Angry_Megalodon
Member
Man...
Zelda would have to beat Genshin first, which it doesn't. Let alone titles with TRUE good cell shade graphics like Wuthering Waves or Arknights, to which Zelda doesn't hold a candle graphically, not even artistically.
You just need to watch any video of the game to see that it doesn't look like those images at all, I don't get this edgy claim.
Bojji
Gold Member
This generic ps3 looking ass stuff with dull colors is artistically better than crimson?
What about Pokemon?
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
It is impossible to wield a proper discussion if we lack the basic understanding of what a coherent art-style is (and not some random bullshots with logos) and how bleeding-edge tech not always translates into aesthetically pleasing pictures. But for the sake of the argument, Zelda BOTW holds up mighty fine on CEMU (shots are mine) because it's art is simply scalable and thanks to it's style won't age. And I'm writing it as guy who is not even that much in Nintendo.This generic ps3 looking ass stuff with dull colors is artistically better than crimson?
There's depth and motion in the picture despite the lack of polygons, the world feels vast. Visually, CD world feels 'gamey' and artificial as hell. While I can't say I'm a huge fan of Zelda games, I always respected how great the artistic vision of Hyrule was realised on basically WiiU target.
But I will stop right here out of respect for mods and the thread at hand, because it's a clear derailment. (Plus I gave up, really, it's an empty discussion)
GymWolf
Gold Member
MarioWiiu would be proud of pokemon uglyus water.What about Pokemon?
Pedro Motta
Gold Member
Am I the only one that thinks that the only graphical things that is impressive in this game is the view distance? Why is everyone praising this?
GymWolf
Gold Member
I'm not super impressed by the graphic aswell but it does a couple of things impressively:
Water physics
Apparently the light system is pretty good
Robust physics\elements engine
Faux-tesselation for that 3d effect on surfaces
Not a fan of the overall fidelity but we don't know how much yt is killing the details, battaglia on reee specified that yt really kill this game graphic.
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GymWolf
Gold Member
In pokemon language "suddenly, a wild crimson desert appear"
Angry_Megalodon
Member
Physics and animations are part of graphics. It's very easy to have a beautiful looking game without any interactivity. Horizon and Hellblade look great, but their worlds are cardboards, there's zero interaction.
This game is impressive because the world is alive, unlike those. The draw distance is also a factor. The scale is superior to everything that's been made to date.
phant0m
Member
This was the real takeaway from me. As annoying as he is about that, I also respect someone that recognizes they don't like a particular genre and doesn't want to put out a clouded review. There's other guys on the team that can cover.
Bernardougf
Member
Will play it down the line after early adopters help with the beta testing in the early months and the updates come.
saintjules
Gold Member
Well we've been seeing this game for nearly 7 years now. I too thought at the beginning when seeing all these wrestling moves that in no way that was happening. But now I am believer of what has been shown will be of actual gameplay.
How it's all tied together is the real mystery though. Less than a week's time.
Gabe ♥
Member
Yes, i think it's because they showed a lot lot of gameplay and mechanics and still we dont know nothing, like its a new world to explore. I haven't been so excited for this kind of game since wow I think.
Raven77
Member
There are a few things that I find really impressive in the digital foundry video that I haven't heard many people talk about.
- really pay close attention to all the different npcs. It's really hard to find any of them that look the same as far as what they are wearing, equipment, etc. Even the donkeys and pack donkeys look different.
- go watch the circus scene again and look at the grandstands where the people are sitting. Look at the sheer variety of how the NPCs are sitting. Some are leaning back on their arms some are leaning forward some are straight up. It's crazy, did they code 20 different ways that an NPC can simply sit down on something?
- the water is really impressive but it's hard to understand how it works. They talk about it being 250,000 particles whenever the player is near it and that is how it creates the flow effect. Impressive?
Don't know enough about particles to say whether it is or not. But what if we were to pile things into a small stream. Would the water start to flow out of the stream? Can we flood a town?
- really pay close attention to all the different npcs. It's really hard to find any of them that look the same as far as what they are wearing, equipment, etc. Even the donkeys and pack donkeys look different.
- go watch the circus scene again and look at the grandstands where the people are sitting. Look at the sheer variety of how the NPCs are sitting. Some are leaning back on their arms some are leaning forward some are straight up. It's crazy, did they code 20 different ways that an NPC can simply sit down on something?
- the water is really impressive but it's hard to understand how it works. They talk about it being 250,000 particles whenever the player is near it and that is how it creates the flow effect. Impressive?
Don't know enough about particles to say whether it is or not. But what if we were to pile things into a small stream. Would the water start to flow out of the stream? Can we flood a town?
Zacfoldor
Gold Member
Graphics don't matter. If this game is as good as BotW I'll be hyped and I'm expecting it to be!
You use graphics to compare the games because you think it is an objective thing but you are only half right.
Art in BotW and Crimson Desert blends both the subjectivity of abstract art with the objectivity of a reality based anchoring creation.
From a technical standpoint we need to look at how optimized the software is for the hardware it is running on. From an artistic perspective we need to examine and give our individual opinions....as you can see none of this will be apples to apples. So why are we comparing them? For the record, I think the graphics in Crimson Desert look awesome.
You use graphics to compare the games because you think it is an objective thing but you are only half right.
Art in BotW and Crimson Desert blends both the subjectivity of abstract art with the objectivity of a reality based anchoring creation.
From a technical standpoint we need to look at how optimized the software is for the hardware it is running on. From an artistic perspective we need to examine and give our individual opinions....as you can see none of this will be apples to apples. So why are we comparing them? For the record, I think the graphics in Crimson Desert look awesome.
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LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
It's almost comical to compare this with zelda. You might as well say that you prefer some of the art in Zelda but criminal dessert absolutely trounces Zelda in damn near anything visual that you see. It's better not to go down that road and enjoy Zelda for what it is but that's not compare it to the big boys in these kind of games on hardware that absolutely mops the floor with anything Nintendo has made.
Venom Snake
Member
Man, sucks to be a water-type pokemon..
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Zacfoldor
Gold Member
So Crimson Desert is the big boys and BotW is small time game, huh?
Why do you think graphics matter that much?
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LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
That's all I'm talking about is visuals. I wouldn't in South Zelda in the gameplay department. Keep in mind that this is all about who has the bigger dick (or P P for the kids) and that's very important to me
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
It is impossible to wield a proper discussion if we lack the basic understanding of what a coherent art-style is (and not some random bullshots with logos) and how bleeding-edge tech not always translates into aesthetically pleasing pictures. But for the sake of the argument, Zelda BOTW holds up mighty fine on CEMU (shots are mine) because it's art is simply scalable and thanks to it's style won't age. And I'm writing it as guy who is not even that much in Nintendo.
There's depth and motion in the picture despite the lack of polygons, the world feels vast. Visually, CD world feels 'gamey' and artificial as hell. While I can't say I'm a huge fan of Zelda games, I always respected how great the artistic vision of Hyrule was realised on basically WiiU target.
But I will stop right here out of respect for mods and the thread at hand, because it's a clear derailment. (Plus I gave up, really, it's an empty discussion)
Wait, so you're calling him out for using 'random bullshots with logos' and the countering with 4K screenshots from CEMU.
roosnam1980
Member
the animations are really impressive , top tier.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
ORRRRR.....................those are the few he likes.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Nah, he's full of shit. He never expressed disdain for open worlds until that specific event. Otherwise, he covered a ton of open world games, when he supposedly hates them. He also covered TOTK and many other games.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
He's a liar. He covers open world games all the time. He's reviewed Horizon zd, Horizon fw, death stranding, death stranding 2, ghosts 1 and 2, rdr 2, days gone and many more.
He was just lying about not liking them because he was boycotting hogwarts. You can tell even Richard was pissed about both John and Alex refusing to cover it because in the review Richard indirect calls out people refusing to cover games because of their political beliefs.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Not many, if any at all with the open world sum of its parts.
RDR2 still king.
I have no doubts Crimson Desert will look glorious on a good rig as well.
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GymWolf
Gold Member
I mean from what we saw crimson look better in many aspect that are not physics system and amount of physics and MAYBE puzzles and level design.
Combat? Check
Interesting loot? Check
Traversal? Check
Graphic and production values? Check
Plot? I mean how fucking bad you need to be to have a worse plot than zelda? The voice acting is already 10x times better from what we saw
Boss\enemy variety? Check
Variety of landscape and stuff to see? Check
And i could go on.
This really feel like zelda for adults in more than just graphic.
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Senua
Member
Does he hate them? IIRC he just gets bored of the Ubisoft type open world games, like many of us do
GymWolf
Gold Member
The game feel like if rockstar from the gta4\rdr1 era was making a fantasy game.
Not quite on the level of perfection of rdr2 and probably gta6, but far beyond anyone else.
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Defensive FOS cucked meltdown.
You tell me.
GymWolf
Gold Member
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Putonahappyface
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Stafford
Member
John seems a bit like a rather unlikeable dude, I don't know, this and that reply to a perfectly normal question is kinda...nah man. I get that vibe with Schreier even more so.
You tell me.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
How high do you have you have to be to compare the visuals here to Zelda?
What we've seen here looks very cool and even impressive, specially the lighting (nights look amazing and actually dark), weather, and how destructible the environment seems to be.
What we've seen here looks very cool and even impressive, specially the lighting (nights look amazing and actually dark), weather, and how destructible the environment seems to be.
Radical_3d
Member
Very high. In one side we have a beautiful fantasy game and in the other dragons + trains + jet pack.How high do you have you have to be to compare the visuals here to Zelda?
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Yet none of them compare to the beautiful landscapes of that fantasy land that's Murcia.
Radical_3d
Member
You wouldn't known the highest mountain in La Mancha is when someone dumps. No wonder you associate them with fantasy even if they also have factories.Yet none of them compare to the beautiful landscapes of that fantasy land that's Murcia.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
the funny thing about the whole ITS A CHILDRENS GAME rant was that he spent like 25 minutes jerking off to Astro Bot and Donkey Kong Bananza. Two games so kiddie, even my ten year old had outgrown them. He actually loved the astro bot pack-in back in 2020 when he was 6 and struggled to beat the full game after waiting 4 years for it to come out. But john a grown 35 year old man who supposedly hates childrens games loved them! He is so full of shit lol
Dr Bass
Gold Member
Zelda is for adults, or kids, or anyone who likes great adventure games that require you to think at least a little bit. The idea that a rendering style indicates age range acceptability doesn't make a bit of sense.
Do you think Studio Ghibli movies are for kids out of curiosity?
But it looks like this thread has fallen into the classic idiot gamer blunder of focusing on the word "or," not "and."
And this is not directed at you, but the thread as a whole ...
The correct outlook is Crimson Desert .. AND Zelda ... or Crimson Desert .. AND RDR2. Or whatever other games are out there that you like. The idea that some game has to "lose" because there is another game that might be good, well, it kinda blows my mind that grown adults are still behaving like that.
I think this game looks like it could be great. I'm excited for it. I think Zelda BotW/TotK were fantastic and still are. I loved RDR. I'm going to give Ghost of Yotei a shot at some point. None of these games take away from each other, and I get to enjoy them all because I'm not stuck in some (actually) childish competitive outlook about entertainment.
John can rant about whatever he wants, but those two games ... they .... aren't ... children's games.
PeteBull
Member
Even 4k60 zelda on CEMU looks substantially worse from rdr2 on xbox one s, yup, 1,3tf mashine with jaguar cpu and still puts botw cemu zelda to shameWait, so you're calling him out for using 'random bullshots with logos' and the countering with 4K screenshots from CEMU.