I don't see any other way for it to even be on a console.
Because to me the over reliance on AI upscalers and frame gen is the gaming industries version of shrinkflation. Tools that make gaming worse in practice because developers lean on it to save on their own development cost.
Nothing wrong with that. Its preferable.
The laziness of developers. The song of the bean counters.
It could be so much better, but that requires more time and investment, really.
It doesn't imo. The game was clearly not built and art-ed up with PT in mind. PT was probably used during development for debugging lighting issues and as reference for cutscenes. When assets and in-game lighting are built with PT in mind, from the ground up, that's when we will truly see PT shine. Currently it's a bolt on, and results are understandably unpredictable. There are scenes where the difference is massive and there are scenes where it actually looks like a step backwards.
No way, man.
I remember trying it on Oblivion remaster and it felt like dog shit to play so I turned it off fast. Tried it again not too long after and it didn't feel terrible, not sure what I changed in the settings between that time.
Ooooohhhh... make no mistake, there will be devs that will try.
The sooner you start looking at AI upscalers, the same way you look at pixel shaders... the better for you. The performance cost savings that upscalers give in relation to the out quality is so significant that its practically irresponsible not to use it. How can we justify spending 40-50% more performance just to run 4K natively when you can get close enough to 4K and even run at a higher framerate?
I personally believe that most PS6 games will be using ReSTIR GI... not even PT. ReSTIR GI can get you close to RT, while costing significantly less. Costs only about 30% the rays PT would otherwise cost.True. We need games with only RTGI for lower end systems and PT for higher end systems - to finally have games build around fully real time lighting!
Raster lighting belongs in a museum.
ReSTIR GI has already been expanded to support PT years ago and is now fully implemented by Nvidia as ReSTIR PT within UE 5. It runs at 1 spp, so the ray count is as low as ReSTIR GI. Unless CDPR plans to create their own version of ReSTIR PT, they are likely to use Nvidia's branch. Or... may be they will put together their own version for cross vendor support.
I believe RE:R is using RsSTIR.
For real, 30fps needs to die. And yes, devs will continue using it as long as they are allowed to. And if platform holders don't do anything about that, a lot of devs would never bother with the optimizations necessary to ensure their games look at their best when running at 60fps.
Well, firstly I don't hate 30 fps. Plenty of games that are perfectly ok with it. Also, it's absolutely feasible to create the "cinematic" look while still running at 60 fps with lens and motion blur techniques. Hellblade 2 doesn't suddenly lose its cinematic flair at 60. The issue is, when are we ever going to step beyond "perfectly ok"? 30 fps is simply an outdated format that is aging towards obsolescence and objectively sub-optimal for any interactive game. Yes, it will stick around for movies for a very long time as there is simply too much legacy (both technological and perceptual) tied to it. But there's a reason it would straight up make you vomit in VR. I think 40 locked or 48 with VRR is a good step up for the next gen or two before this becomes an irrelevant topic.
It's strange how console users almost demand 60 now, like you guys have been ok with 30 since the start of gaming, just goes to show cultural shifts, people wouldn't care if others around or like them dont care either.
My bad. I was meaning to say baked lighting that is typical of traditional rasterization. Not rasterization itself. That's not going away anytime soon, if ever. The moment art assets and lighting setup is designed around PT, the issues with baked lighting would show even more, because the more the focus turns to PT, the less time devs would spend towards high quality and consistent bakes, where the fake lights are placed appropriately or where characters are lit. You are already seeing it between RT and baked versions of games, where basic shit that looked just fine (like SSR, SSAO, planar reflections, high quality cube maps etc) in previous gens are completely missing now without enabling RT. It will get worse when PT gets widespread adoption.
NeoGAF needs a puke emoji reaction/like for moments like this.
