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P:axMagellanic said:
Ukrainians are literally training British troops in drone tactics now. These people don't know what they're talking about yet speak with such confidence.

They've become arguably our second most important military partners after the US and France.
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Well they have to most experience in drone warfare so it would be really idiotic not to use that experience which they have paid dearly for.

We are partners after all.
 
Critical Hit said:
"According to Institute for the Study of War (ISW) assessments, Russian forces seized approximately 500–600 sq km in 2023, 3,604 sq km in 2024, and 4,831 sq km in 2025, with accelerated gains in 2025 driven by new operational tactics.".
I see you've decided to extrapolate the current situation to the rest of the war — good luck with that.
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now russia controls less territory then in 2022, ua retaken all kyiv, kharkiv, kherson and other territories since 2022, retaken territory only in kharkiv is 12000km² not even accounting for other oblasts.
 
DenchDeckard said:
So, from what you are saying, it seems like the goal is a regime change, would you agree?

So, we can easily now identify if this war was a success if we get a regime change?
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Regime change... in theory.

But its just freedom, getting rid of a radical and extreme belief system thats holding planet earth 100 years in the past with their retard ways.

Hopefully regime change can bring that
 
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P:axMagellanic said:
Ukrainians are literally training British troops in drone tactics now. These people don't know what they're talking about yet speak with such confidence.

They've become arguably our second most important military partners after the US and France.
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I guess British people are just really chill and friendly. We just want to hang out with our pals and drink tea. But drone tactics covers a lot of ground as they come in all shapes and sizes and require multiple layers of defense. So I wouldn't assume all that fancy kit is obsolete or not field tested to be useful.
 
People can look at it how they want but if you take a few minutes to look it up, the Pentagon has been pretty clear on what their objectives are since the beginning:
  • Degrade Missile Capability
  • Destroy Naval Power
  • Prevent Nuclear Capability
  • Neutralize Proxies
Rubio, Hegseth, etc. have all reiterated the above over and over the past few weeks. Ideally they would tell us more about what their end state of all this looks like, but note that regime change is not on the list.

My crystal ball tells me that whenever this is done the internet tankies, Redditors, Europeans et al. will point to whatever weakend form of the Iranian regime still exists and say "lol America lost." However, the fact is regime change was never a stated goal of the operation for the US.
 
Agent_4Seven said:
Yeah, my bad, it's 2+ times more, which even if they take all this money, it'll only be enough for like 4+ years and I don't think Putler has that much time left.
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He doesn't need to take all that money, he's still getting it from oil and gas and can cut non-military spending in the budget. I assume he's counting on seizing the rest of Donbas in less than 4 years (which seems realistic so far) and as much other territory as he can, and then stopping there if the Ukrainians continue to resist as they are now.

Agent_4Seven said:
modern economy simply can't work without properly working internet - they're diggin' their own grave here.
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I doubt that the Chinese rely heavily on the global internet, and putin is clearly trying to rebuild the infrastructure to resemble theirs.

Darius87 said:
now russia controls less territory then in 2022, ua retaken all kyiv, kharkiv, kherson and other territories since 2022, retaken territory only in kharkiv is 12000km² not even accounting for other oblasts.
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By 2022, Russia already had less control than it did in 2022, because all of that happened in 2022. And since 2023 Ukraine has been losing territory as you've already seen in the ISW statistics. But in essence, the remainder of the war will largely be fought over the last 6000 sq km of Donbas, which is one of the most challenging territories, if not the most challenging.
 
Critical Hit said:
By 2022, Russia already had less control than it did in 2022, because all of that happened in 2022. And since 2023 Ukraine has been losing territory as you've already seen in the ISW statistics. But in essence, the remainder of the war will largely be fought over the last 6000 sq km of Donbas, which is one of the most challenging territories, if not the most challenging.
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doesn't change the fact that ua has gained more territory since full-scale invasion, and currently it's gaining not losing.
 
Do you know the one redeeming thing about Trump, is his honesty lol.

"I'd take the oil!" - At least he has the balls the admit what the fuck the point is of this war is/was.
 
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TheAtomicPile said:
People can look at it how they want but if you take a few minutes to look it up, the Pentagon has been pretty clear on what their objectives are since the beginning:
  • Degrade Missile Capability
  • Destroy Naval Power
  • Prevent Nuclear Capability
  • Neutralize Proxies
Rubio, Hegseth, etc. have all reiterated the above over and over the past few weeks. Ideally they would tell us more about what their end state of all this looks like, but note that regime change is not on the list.

My crystal ball tells me that whenever this is done the internet tankies, Redditors, Europeans et al. will point to whatever weakend form of the Iranian regime still exists and say "lol America lost." However, the fact is regime change was never a stated goal of the operation for the US.
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All of those points are essentially immeasurable, giving administration free reign. Iran may still have a few boats laying around, would that equate to 'Destroy Naval Power'? Possibly, maybe, who knows, it's the point of being immeasurable! Same with 'Neutralize Proxies'...dafuq does that mean? It can mean and be measured by anything.

I think your crystal ball should take into account historical evidence. Iran will be weakened now, but a few months from now they will once again be '1 week away'
 
FullMetalx117 said:
All of those points are essentially immeasurable, giving administration free reign. Iran may still have a few boats laying around, would that equate to 'Destroy Naval Power'? Possibly, maybe, who knows, it's the point of being immeasurable! Same with 'Neutralize Proxies'...dafuq does that mean? It can mean and be measured by anything.

I think your crystal ball should take into account historical evidence. Iran will be weakened now, but a few months from now they will once again be '1 week away'
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yes, regime change should have been the goal. Stated not hinted.
 
FullMetalx117 said:
All of those points are essentially immeasurable, giving administration free reign. Iran may still have a few boats laying around, would that equate to 'Destroy Naval Power'? Possibly, maybe, who knows, it's the point of being immeasurable! Same with 'Neutralize Proxies'...dafuq does that mean? It can mean and be measured by anything.

I think your crystal ball should take into account historical evidence. Iran will be weakened now, but a few months from now they will once again be '1 week away'
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They are measurable in that you can count craters where missile sites used to be, you can count the sinking ships as they submerge, destroyed nuclear facilities, and so on. We aren't going to get all the details publicly but there is a list of targets that they're working from that they want to hit and they're making their way down the list.

It's at least well accepted that Iran does not have a navy anymore and their missile capability (via launcher and manufacturing destruction) is degraded since they're shooting 90% less of them now than a month ago.

And yeah, we don't want to have to keep doing this every 6 months. Hopefully this broader campaign (as opposed to the couple of strikes last year) helps with that.
 
TheAtomicPile said:
People can look at it how they want but if you take a few minutes to look it up, the Pentagon has been pretty clear on what their objectives are since the beginning:
  • Degrade Missile Capability
  • Destroy Naval Power
  • Prevent Nuclear Capability
  • Neutralize Proxies
Rubio, Hegseth, etc. have all reiterated the above over and over the past few weeks. Ideally they would tell us more about what their end state of all this looks like, but note that regime change is not on the list.

My crystal ball tells me that whenever this is done the internet tankies, Redditors, Europeans et al. will point to whatever weakend form of the Iranian regime still exists and say "lol America lost." However, the fact is regime change was never a stated goal of the operation for the US.
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My only concern is they can say they stopped the nuclear capability and then 6 months later say they didn't.
ChuckeRearmed said:

I really don't like that it seems like IRGC will probably stay in power. Lame.
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Sybrix said:
Do you know the one redeeming thing about Trump, is his honesty lol.

"I'd take the oil!" - At least he has the balls the admit what the fuck the point is of this war is/was.
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I thought he was telling us the oils not important to the US? So he would just steal other people's oil? I don't get it 😂
 
DenchDeckard said:
My only concern is they can say they stopped the nuclear capability and then 6 months later say they didn't.
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Totally agreed but it was really only Trump saying that. The few adults that are left in Trump's orbit (Rubio) were saying all along that all we did was set them back. It's unfortunate that you have to treat 95% of what the person in the highest office is saying as BS, but that's what America wanted so that's where we are.
 
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EviLore said:


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Trump going off on Japan and South Korea for not helping him, but thinks Kim Jong Un is a swell guy because he called Joe Biden a "mentally retarded person".

 
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Toons said:
Id love to know what abstract concept this guy thinks makes you an American. And then I'd love to know how many of his idols fail to meet that criteria.

Least the first half of his comment was good
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Ok. so we risked a lot to bring one our flyboys out. Not sure what's abstract about that. As far as being American, well, you are or you aren't. It's a way of life that non-Americans wouldn't understand. And that's ok.
 
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