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I can't see this as anything but an Iran victory.
I don't know about Lebanon, but in Iran, nothing is over yet. Anyone who thinks this ceasefire will be of much help to the IRGC is either an idiot or doesn't understand anything about war.

Russia is sending upgraded drones used in the Ukraine war to Iran, officials say
Did you read the article?
Neither official could say how significant the delivery is or how many drones were sent.
IIrc, these officials' information comes from Ukrainian accounts (which are obviously biased). No videos of such drones or any "russian" parts from them were found among the debris (and that's the only thing that matters in such cases). They might have transferred the technology, but even so, I doubt the IRGC are currently capable of implementing it quickly.
 
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Big money will be made and Iran can restart the reconstruction process.

Golden age for the middle east starts now.

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I wonder if Maduro thinks he's a taco. Or the Ayatollah. Scratch that, he's not really thinking anything right now.

Killed the ageing Ayatollah and he's being replaced by his younger, hardline son.

Every dead Iranian leader will be hailed as martyrs and this conflict celebrated internally as an Iranian victory.
 
So Iran has even more insane leaders than before, will control militarily the strait, make $$$ on every ship, and has more reasons than before to own nukes.
Meanwhile, no regime change, people are still getting executed.
GG US , a huge blunder.
 
I don't know about Lebanon, but in Iran, nothing is over yet. Anyone who thinks this ceasefire will be of much help to the IRGC is either an idiot or doesn't understand anything about war.
You don't understand their mindset, which is that for them everyone is expandable as long as the ideology continues.

They won because now they are in power. They will get money flowing in. They will build the nukes in secret and will wage total war in a few years. They are saying it, and for some reason people don't listen. They literally said everything they would do in this war, and they did it. From closing the strait, to bombing their neighbours. They are now the power of the ME.

That only changes if a deal isn't done in two weeks, and let's face it, it's not really two weeks, they'll extend it more and more.
 
So Iran has even more insane leaders than before
Can you list them?

They won because now they are in power.
I'll say it again: nothing is over yet. I'm 95% certain that the attacks will resume in 3 weeks. And it's still unclear who's in charge now - it was not the IRGC that announced the ceasefire. We haven't seen the new Ayatollah yet, and I'm not sure we will.

That only changes if a deal isn't done in two weeks, and let's face it, it's not really two weeks, they'll extend it more and more.
If IGRC hand over the uranium - maybe. Otherwise, I don't see the point in prolonging this. The US-Israel will gather more intelligence, plan their next operations more thoroughly and strike again.
 
There's lots of yabbering on about Trump not doing it, but for the last day there's been incessant wailing that he was going to order war crimes to be committed.

Make your fucking minds up people!

TDS indeed.

As for the 'loss of face'; 'face' isn't really considered important by the Western world.

Wow, the IQ levels have dropped here.

Trump has said the Iranian proposal is a workable basis to start with.

That doesn't mean the US would agree to such a high toll, or any toll.

Also, even the Iranian proposal suggests splitting it with Oman, yet a number of you here didn't bother reading that.



Only it wasn't. Iran has been attacking ships quite randomly.

Frankly, we've been lucky the shipping insurance companies weren't charging more before.
You are from the UK and you are defending an American president this much. One who is deranged, pathetic, potentially insane? You're talking about nuking the UK and you are from here, yet seem to have some obsession with trump, talking about TDS after what we just witnessed?

I think you should be ashamed of yourself and go move to a red state, get a maga hat.l, maybe?

Anyone defending trump after this has TDS. They are deranged for the fucking lunatic.

What an embarrassing show for America and the world.
 
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You are from the UK and you are defending an American president this much. One who is deranged, pathetic, potentially insane? You're talking about nuking the UK and you are from here, yet seem to have some obsession with trump, talking about TDS after what we just witnessed?
It's a bizarre phenomenon indeed, some of the fringe right here in the UK want Trump to invade us. Though calling for the US to nuke the UK is a new one 😂
 
No one is getting a slam-dunk victory, but a mediocre peace is probably best for everybody right now. We'll be back at in a decade or two when there is a right wing president and the Iranians are close to a nuke again.
 
You are from the UK and you are defending an American president this much. One who is deranged, pathetic, potentially insane? You're talking about nuking the UK and you are from here, yet seem to have some obsession with trump, talking about TDS after what we just witnessed?

I think you should be ashamed of yourself and go move to a red state, get a maga hat.l, maybe?

Anyone defending trump after this has TDS. They are deranged for the fucking lunatic.

What an embarrassing show for America and the world.
Its less about defending trump and more about defending the ability to speak up.

Trump says dumb shit often

But trump isnt literally trying to put laws in place to silence the local American population from free speech, he's not putting other nationalities and cultures above and before the americans. Hes not actively trying to break down and destroy traditions like closing all the pubs.

People look at trump positively, not because hes an amazing leader or because he has wise things to say.

But rather because, somehow, in all this crazy shit the man says, he Is the only global leader trying to maintain normalcy.

Just imagine how insane that is, that wacky trump is the only person who wants a man to be a man, a woman to be a woman, to have america be for americans and not infinite Islam.

Without trump, whether you like it or not, we wouldnt have tv, movies and games and so on slowly shifting back to normalcy. I watched project hail mary and there wasnt a single drop of DEI or Wokeness in it. That same movie released 3 years earlier would have been insufferable to watch.

And the above is purely just entertainment. People just want things to go back to normal and insanely, trump is the only leader representing that.
 


To those who are alarmed that the president of the US can even make such tweets, I salute you for being a decent human being.

If you can not see how insane this all is, you are truly lost. Truly.

It's not about knowing he won't do it. It's about voting to allow someone like that in the whitehouse.

Now we have people like Theo Von and other influencers that did help get trump in power talking about giving China a go at running the world and you would have to be blind to not see that the world is looking to move power from the US to someone else and that will ultimately be china.

To allow a thought process to happen is the biggest failure of the US and the trump administration.

The world is tired of America, this America. Many are. That is not TDS, that is having some decency and common sense.

This war has been really bad for Trump and the US. It's going to take a long time to recover from this. It's all extremely embarrassing.

I hope it is coming to a close but I can not see how trump and the US effectively spin this as anything but a monumental failure and a test to the rest of the world to move away from the US having influence over anything. It will take years but the writing is on the wall.

It might not be as clear to Americans if you are in the country and being fed propaganda etc but the rest of the world is starting to take notice.

Normal everyday people talking about the US needs to move over and let someone else have a go.

The terrifying thing is, I don't see America going down without a fight and the US are the ones we know have the ability to drop nukes, history shows us that.

I'm just fed up with it all. Can the decent US citizens actually use that second amendment and get rid of this ass hat and his friends. Such a disgrace and an embarrassment to the American flag.

Morning rant over.

To quote Salvor Hardin from the book Foundation by Isaac Asimov.

"Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent"
 
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To those who are alarmed that the president of the US can even make such tweets, I salute you for being a decent human being.

If you can not see how insane this all is, you are truly lost. Truly.

It's not about knowing he won't do it. It's about voting to allow someone like that in the whitehouse.

Now we have people like Theo Von and other influencers that did help get trump in power talking about giving China a go at running the world and you would have to be blind to not see that the world is looking to move power from the US to someone else and that will ultimately be china.

To allow a thought process to happen is the biggest failure of the US and the trump administration.

The world is tired of America, this America. Many are. That is not TDS, that is having some decency and common sense.

This war has been really bad for Trump and the US. It's going to take a long time to recover from this. It's all extremely embarrassing.

I hope it is coming to a close but I can not see how trump and the US effectively spin this as anything but a monumental failure and a test to the rest of the world to move away from the US having influence over anything. It will take years but the writing is on the wall.

It might not be as clear to Americans if you are in the country and being fed propaganda etc but the rest of the world is starting to take notice.

Normal everyday people talking about the US needs to move over and let someone else have a go.

The terrifying thing is, I don't see America going down without a fight and the US are the ones we know have the ability to drop nukes, history shows us that.

I'm just fed up with it all. Can the decent US citizens actually use that second amendment and get rid of this ass hat and his friends. Such a disgrace and an embarrassment to the American flag.

Morning rant over.

To quote Salvor Hardin from the book Foundation by Isaac Asimov.

"Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent"
You shouldnt confuse parts of Europe and the UK as the rest of the world...

And thats exactly whats going to happen the rest of the world is going to come forward and the EU and UK are going to live in the 70s hippy mindset forever

The future is going to be NA/SA and the Middle East in a strong alliance.

BRICS is forming like the literal legion of doom

The future isnt looking good for the EU, Russia has a nice big crosshair on most of europe and the one country who could genuinely help you guys are pushing away, because meanie doo doo man made a wacky tweet.

I just hope you enjoy the future you dream for, infinite inflation, infinite illegal immigrants, more stricter laws on your free speech. Two tiered justice, gonna be a hell of a time, your leaders have some fun surprises for you just you wait.

Dogs are next, its not gonna be long till theres heavy legislation on pet ownership, especially Dogs. A certain group of people dont like dogs.
 
I see no version where US gets a better deal. More Iranian control over the strait, guarantees of no invasion in the future, reparation for the current damages (?) while US gets total Iran's Nuclear program visibility, which probably they weren't making Nukes in the first place. Israel won't be happy with these terms for sure. And we go back to war then US is under more pressure so Trump will probably agree to save face. Great new deal Mr. Trump while he blasted the old deal saying it was the worst deal ever.
 
I see no version where US gets a better deal. More Iranian control over the strait, guarantees of no invasion in the future, reparation for the current damages (?) while US gets total Iran's Nuclear program visibility, which probably they weren't making Nukes in the first place. Israel won't be happy with these terms for sure. And we go back to war then US is under more pressure so Trump will probably agree to save face. Great new deal Mr. Trump while he blasted the old deal saying it was the worst deal ever.
They enriched uranium well beyond the needed limit for nuclear power and leaders have openly said they're goal is to have a nuclear weapon...

They were absolutely trying to achieve a nuclear weapon.
 
I did not say it was a compliment. Carter was charismatic but weak and pathetic who gave leverage to foreign adversaries.

Personally I am curious about the polls in a week.

P.s. a lot of iranians are probably crestfallen too knowing that regime stays
I'm of the mind that this is ultimately a strategic pause. The "agreement" here is misaligned and the IRGC is not going to be singing kumbaya with itself during this period.
 
They enriched uranium well beyond the needed limit for nuclear power and leaders have openly said they're goal is to have a nuclear weapon...

They were absolutely trying to achieve a nuclear weapon.
Then that matter should have been handled by joint discussion with all countries and sanctions or joint war on Iran. Not to mention they started enriching uranium after Trump backed out from the deal in his last presidency term. Till that point IAEA to my knowledge had said Iran was always open to inspection. Post that Iran blocked inspections and they weren't legally obliged to. Trump may have good intention, but his execution is so bad I rather US have a less better president.
 
Just woke up. So Trumps confrontative post has lead to a two-week ceasefire and not WW3 and an Iranian genocide? But redditors said that this would be the end of the world.

Who would've thought
 
Then that matter should have been handled by joint discussion with all countries and sanctions or joint war on Iran. Not to mention they started enriching uranium after Trump backed out from the deal in his last presidency term. Till that point IAEA to my knowledge had said Iran was always open to inspection. Post that Iran blocked inspections and they weren't legally obliged to. Trump may have good intention, but his execution is so bad I rather US have a less better president.
They tried, iran never came to the table, lied and broke treaties constantly.

I guess we should of waited till israel or some country was wiped off the earth before we had a big tax payer funded party in davos... I mean conference to vote on whether we should discuss things with iran
 
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Wern't the US and Iran in the middle of "negotiations" when DJT struck in late Feb?
Im genuinely curious, whats even your gotcha here?

Like they obviously werent negotiating 🤣 or are you going to tell me that you genuinely believe iran were negotiating in good faith and were absolutely willing to meet stipulations.

The same iran who for 47 years has funded terrorism and funded terrorist proxy wars. The same iran that chants death to america

What do you genuinely believe, you, not the BBC, what do you genuinely believe happened in those negotiations about the manufacturing of nuclear weapons which iran has openly said was their intended goal?
 
Im genuinely curious, whats even your gotcha here?

Like they obviously werent negotiating 🤣 or are you going to tell me that you genuinely believe iran were negotiating in good faith and were absolutely willing to meet stipulations.

The same iran who for 47 years has funded terrorism and funded terrorist proxy wars. The same iran that chants death to america

What do you genuinely believe, you, not the BBC, what do you genuinely believe happened in those negotiations about the manufacturing of nuclear weapons which iran has openly said was their intended goal?
If we are talking about official channels they in UN said they are not perusing Nukes. Ofcourse they could lie. How to check, Open IAEA inspections and the world will know. But they won't allow inspection because they are not legally obliged to anymore thanks to Trump.

They either open their country to inspection or not. There was no middle ground to be had if US would have waited and talks. I admit a joint venture would have been vetoed by China but allowing them for inspection was a reasonable call China would not had vetoed under the Nuclear treaties.
 
While I personally wouldn't have attacked Iran because of the inevitability of what has transpired, I did however still want the US to succeed. The outcome of this failure is both Russia and China becoming more powerful. An ally of Russia which has been supplying arms throughout the Ukraine war to attack a sovereign European country has now won a war against a Western power. Both China and Russia are now blocking a UN resolution on protecting shipping raised by the Europeans. I hope I am wrong but I wouldn't be surprised if we see Iran arming Russia more extensively as the threat of doing so has gone. A weak US makes an invasion of Taiwan much more likely also. This is Suez for the US. As with Europe after the annexation of Crimea deciding to buy more gas of Russia rather than sanctioning it, we will soon see the result of this.
 
If we are talking about official channels they in UN said they are not perusing Nukes. Ofcourse they could lie. How to check, Open IAEA inspections and the world will know. But they won't allow inspection because they are not legally obliged to anymore thanks to Trump.

They either open their country to inspection or not. There was no middle ground to be had if US would have waited and talks. I admit a joint venture would have been vetoed by China but allowing them for inspection was a reasonable call China would not had vetoed under the Nuclear treaties.
The UN 🤣🤣🤣

Ok im sorry, ill pretend to take it seriously.

How do you think Iran enriched and bought so much enriched uranium? Do you think they did it over the weekend?

Its insane to me that people still think the IRGC operates like EU and are diplomatic.

The same people who slaughter 40000 of their own people were just gonna come to ths UN, say "yes sir" when a Swede tells them they are being naughty and world peace would be achieved

There is no, and there never was, and there never will be negotiations with radical Islam... their doctrine is to convert and destroy.

You cant tell me you really thought the EU were just gonna be able to send in top nuclear inspectors to roam freely around iran and sniff out some nukes
 
The only way i see as a solution, is to dismantle iran completely and the only way to do this is by ground invasion and overtaking the country completely. This will require US and EU forces and neither of them are willing to commit the resources or manpower to do so. Therefor anything trump does or say, can be taken with a grain of salt because honestly there is nothing else he can do over there.

The radical regime at Iran have no option other then fight US because otherwise they will be executed by there own people if they do happen to lose control. It's death for them either way but resisting US gives them a way to stay alive and on top of that in control.

I think that Trump will stick around for a month longer in Iran, then return and call it a victory but the reality is Iran will be back to normal within a year with a new leader.
 
The UN 🤣🤣🤣

Ok im sorry, ill pretend to take it seriously.

How do you think Iran enriched and bought so much enriched uranium? Do you think they did it over the weekend?

Its insane to me that people still think the IRGC operates like EU and are diplomatic.

The same people who slaughter 40000 of their own people were just gonna come to ths UN, say "yes sir" when a Swede tells them they are being naughty and world peace would be achieved

There is no, and there never was, and there never will be negotiations with radical Islam... their doctrine is to convert and destroy.

You cant tell me you really thought the EU were just gonna be able to send in top nuclear inspectors to roam freely around iran and sniff out some nukes
I know UN is a laughing stock. But Iran had allowed nuclear inspections in the past when JCPOA was under affect like all countries do. Why would the same deal again would be different.
You relying on unshakable assumption that they are inherently evil and will always lie and deceit is faulty. Same could be applied to China also then.

Break their economy, let them shame themselves at world stage by blocking inspections, breaking national treaties and then this would have been justified rather than strike first ask later like US does. This Iran war is more motivated by Israel expansion plans than and threat on them than America having an existential threat from Iran's nuclear program. If they are so inherently evil, why most of the world is against US now ?
 
You shouldnt confuse parts of Europe and the UK as the rest of the world...

And thats exactly whats going to happen the rest of the world is going to come forward and the EU and UK are going to live in the 70s hippy mindset forever

The future is going to be NA/SA and the Middle East in a strong alliance.

BRICS is forming like the literal legion of doom

The future isnt looking good for the EU, Russia has a nice big crosshair on most of europe and the one country who could genuinely help you guys are pushing away, because meanie doo doo man made a wacky tweet.

I just hope you enjoy the future you dream for, infinite inflation, infinite illegal immigrants, more stricter laws on your free speech. Two tiered justice, gonna be a hell of a time, your leaders have some fun surprises for you just you wait.

Dogs are next, its not gonna be long till theres heavy legislation on pet ownership, especially Dogs. A certain group of people dont like dogs.

I honestly feel, that the UK was starting to highlight issues with mass immigration and the spread of Islam in the UK, conversations were starting to happen from all sides about the strain on the country.

This bullish and immature move by Trump could grow sentiment towards islam, where in the UK the issue was being highlighted and hopefully on a path to be addressed. I don't think Trump or many people are really understanding how much this blunder could ultimately strengthen Islams hold on the world.

That's frustrating to think about for me. This was a terribly handled campaign and so far Trump and the US are losing, losing face massively and potentially hurting progress the world was making in highlighting Islams genuine flaws and mass immagration to other countries.

The move by trump could do nothing but strengthen the below that you mentioned.

"I just hope you enjoy the future you dream for, infinite inflation, infinite illegal immigrants, more stricter laws on your free speech. Two tiered justice, gonna be a hell of a time, your leaders have some fun surprises for you just you wait."
 
The future isnt looking good for the EU, Russia has a nice big crosshair on most of europe and the one country who could genuinely help you guys are pushing away, because meanie doo doo man made a wacky tweet.

You mean the same Russia that is not able to conquer Ukraine (former part of the Soviet Union) for 4 years now? For contrast, Soviet army in just over two years went from Stalingrad to Berlin.

Can you imagine them splitting their forces to attack other countries? And I don't think Trump would help even if USA - EU relations were better, he likes Putin too much.
 
I honestly feel, that the UK was starting to highlight issues with mass immigration and the spread of Islam in the UK, conversations were starting to happen from all sides about the strain on the country.

This bullish and immature move by Trump could grow sentiment towards islam, where in the UK the issue was being highlighted and hopefully on a path to be addressed. I don't think Trump or many people are really understanding how much this blunder could ultimately strengthen Islams hold on the world.

That's frustrating to think about for me. This was a terribly handled campaign and so far Trump and the US are losing, losing face massively and potentially hurting progress the world was making in highlighting Islams genuine flaws and mass immagration to other countries.

The move by trump could do nothing but strengthen the below that you mentioned.

"I just hope you enjoy the future you dream for, infinite inflation, infinite illegal immigrants, more stricter laws on your free speech. Two tiered justice, gonna be a hell of a time, your leaders have some fun surprises for you just you wait."

Yes, UK has been invaded by migrants for 50 years, but it was in this 2-week period that they started doing an introspection but Trump fucked it all up. I'm positive you guys write this nonsensical shit for trolling, because it's either that or you have levels of TDS that shouldn't even be possible.

 
While I don't believe most criticism of Trump is TDS. After reading two articles on the Independent back to back talking about how his threat to attack Iran was obscene and that he should be removed, to another saying backing down on attacking Iran has destroyed US credibility is definitely odd.
 
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Unfortunate that there's a ceasefire and they continue to torture and execute protesters every day. Not a great outcome. We'll see how it continues to develop.
 
Of course they weren't at the same rate.

But Iran were still attacking shipping, only without any justification at all then.

I don't understand how this is hard for you to comprehend.
You are trying to convince me that the strait of hormuz was this pressing crisis before we invaded Iran last month. No one buys this.
While I don't believe most criticism of Trump is TDS. After reading two articles on the Independent back to back talking about how his threat to attack Iran was obscene and that he should be removed, to another saying backing down on attacking Iran has destroyed US credibility is definitely odd.
Trump said "A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again." Yeah i'd say this is an obscene statement to make if you are president of the U.S. We used to have standards for how leaders should talk. Then we appear to be making concessions to Iran that were not necessary because the war he started wasn't necessary.
 
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Yes, UK has been invaded by migrants for 50 years, but it was in this 2-week period that they started doing an introspection but Trump fucked it all up. I'm positive you guys write this nonsensical shit for trolling, because it's either that or you have levels of TDS that shouldn't even be possible.



Thats not what I intended to put across. I am saying, that the fall out from this could be more negative sentiment towards the US and increased support for radical islam from certain groups which COULD aid in another switch back in conversation for the UK. Strengthening the far left.

I'm 44, I'm well aware of what is going on in the UK, where are you from and suffering from TDS? I never used that saying before this last couple of weeks but I like to throw back the saying to people who enforce such silly things to complicated situations. Its dumb, like Trump and obviously an one of the easy way he controls his followers.

Something, I dont like - "TDS" crazy that people are falling from it. We are losing intelligence at an alarming rate and It is driven by the west, allowing shit like Tik Tok to take over our childrens lives. Allowing someone as clearly as insane, and suffering from some serious syndrome as Trump into the whitehouse.
 
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You are trying to convince me that the strait of hormuz was this pressing crisis before we invaded Iran last month. No one buys this.

Trump said "A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again." Yeah i'd say this is an obscene statement to make if you are president of the U.S. We used to have standards for how leaders should talk. Then we appear to be making concessions to Iran that were not necessary because the war he started wasn't necessary.
I agree and I am glad he didn't but I am not going to call him a wimp for not carrying it out. This is the first time I have read anyone ever complain about somebody not committing a genocide. If Putin was threatening to nuke kiev tomorrow, and he backed out, I would just be glad he didn't. Wouldn't call him out for being a chicken. 99% sure people wouldn't either. I guess we might find out if people say the same thing as with Trump. My bet is not.
 
I agree and I am glad he didn't but I am not going to call him a wimp for not carrying it out. This is the first time I have read anyone ever complain about somebody not committing a genocide. If Putin was threatening to nuke kiev tomorrow, and he backed out, I would just be glad he didn't. Wouldn't call him out for being a chicken. 99% sure people wouldn't either. I guess we might find out if people say the same thing as with Trump. My bet is not.

I feel it seems to be his own supporters that are calling him chicken though?
 
You are from the UK and you are defending an American president this much. One who is deranged, pathetic, potentially insane? You're talking about nuking the UK and you are from here, yet seem to have some obsession with trump, talking about TDS after what we just witnessed?

I think you should be ashamed of yourself and go move to a red state, get a maga hat.l, maybe?

Anyone defending trump after this has TDS. They are deranged for the fucking lunatic.

What an embarrassing show for America and the world.

It's a bizarre phenomenon indeed, some of the fringe right here in the UK want Trump to invade us. Though calling for the US to nuke the UK is a new one 😂

Before you two go on my ignore list:

I don't much like Trump, but his administration are the only ones who've done something about the threat of Iran.

As for your takes on the UK, keep your heads in the sand as much as you like. Maybe go get a haircut at a Turkish barber's that definitely isn't a front, pop into a vape shop that definitely isn't a front, and then get some slop from a chicken shop that definitely isn't a front.
 
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