Wii U Speculation Thread of Brains Beware: Wii U Re-Unveiling At E3 2012

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Ok. Well to shift the discussion of the thread a little, now that we are hearing more about the 7000 series I'm pretty much ready to kill my "Cayman Jr." hypothesis since AMD seems to only be carrying over VLIW5 through re-branding.
 
Refreshment.01 said:
They didn't include it to cut costs even when dual analog has become the standard to control 3D games. Now, they realize it wasn't a bright desicion and sales the user a slapped together bridge solution to mitigate the problem.

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Holy shit some people see the logic Nintendo4life why can't you? :)

A statement proves you are hurt, because im at least trying to back up my claims with some logic. Even if you don't agree with them.
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Don't get me wrong we are all in the same page here, no second analogue stick is stupid. What I don't understand is how it can be called cheap. Notice that the 3DS uses much more sophisticated tech (the motion sensors). If they wanted to cut costs, they would have cut that first. Furthermore, the way Nintendo handled the 3DS situation was extremely admirable. I just don't think it would have costed that much to include a second analogue stick.


It's stupid, it's retarded, it's one of the system's biggest flaws. But I just don't see how Nintendo would have benefitted anything from this move.
 
BurntPork said:
Thank god I was smart enough not to even bother reading all of that crap.
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outside of some crazy hyperbole there were some pretty rational/reasonable points.

I don't think Nintendo skimps on things to save money, I think they just don't "get" certain things, or "see" certain things, like the uses for a second analog, or the need for a proper online infrastructure lololo. It seems to be their ways lately, notice the error in their ways late and fix them a generation later.

Console after the 3DS will get dual analogs and console after wii (aka wii-u) will get online + whatever.
 
-Pyromaniac- said:
outside of some crazy hyperbole there were some pretty rational/reasonable points.

I don't think Nintendo skimps on things to save money, I think they just don't "get" certain things, or "see" certain things, like the uses for a second analog, or the need for a proper online infrastructure lololo. It seems to be their ways lately, notice the error in their ways late and fix them a generation later.

Console after the 3DS will get dual analogs and console after wii (aka wii-u) will get online + whatever.
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I could argue that Sony and MS aren't seeing things right either. And we all know the flaws of the current generation hardware.

Nintendo especially seems to take a lot of heat because of their online plans, and they deserve it. But we know this already, why on earth are talking about the 3DS in a WiiU speculation thread?

PS. I'm willing to bet that the 3DS will get it's second analogue stick in its second iteration.
 
-Pyromaniac- said:
outside of some crazy hyperbole there were some pretty rational/reasonable points.

I don't think Nintendo skimps on things to save money, I think they just don't "get" certain things, or "see" certain things, like the uses for a second analog, or the need for a proper online infrastructure lololo. It seems to be their ways lately, notice the error in their ways late and fix them a generation later.

Console after the 3DS will get dual analogs and console after wii (aka wii-u) will get online + whatever.
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Its less they don't "get" it, just that they prioritise different things (like the Wii's power consumption which most people wouldn't really care about, or its size or the 3DS's 3D rather than raw grunt). To be fair all the HW manufactures could be accused of that ( Sony a gen "late" to having in-built storage, the current emphasis on motion controls etc.)
 
monome said:
I blame Nintendo for having only family oriented IPs.
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This is one of the most asinine arguments I've heard about Nintendo (not that you're the only one to bring it up).

No one looks at Pixar and says 'Toy Story is great and all, but it's been 15 years. I want you to make mature films with blood and tits. No more of this 'family' stuff.' Or, I should hope that no one seriously does.

Nintendo-4Life said:
PS. I'm willing to bet that the 3DS will get it's second analogue stick in its second iteration.
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Really? I think the remodel will include five. And a purple elephant.
I'm willing to bet on it too.
 
Cerebral Assassin said:
Its less they don't "get" it, just that they prioritise different things (like the Wii's power consumption which most people wouldn't really care about, or its size or the 3DS's 3D rather than raw grunt). To be fair all the HW manufactures could be accused of that ( Sony a gen "late" to having in-built storage, the current emphasis on motion controls etc.)
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This is exactly it.
Yes, price is a factor for Nintendo. They're a business just like MS and Sony.
But that isn't the deciding factor on anything they do.
Nintendo lays its own path and follows it. They don't care what everyone else has or does.

StreetsAhead said:
This is one of the most asinine arguments I've heard about Nintendo (not that you're the only one to bring it up).

No one looks at Pixar and says 'Toy Story is great and all, but it's been 15 years. I want you to make mature films with blood and tits. No more of this 'family' stuff.' Or, I should hope that no one seriously does.
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Besides even that, Nintendo DOES have franchises that kids definitely shouldn't play. Yes, most of their main franchises are family oriented, and that's why they are successful.
But you wouldn't give you 5 year old a copy of Sin and Punishment 2 or Pandora's Tower.
 
Cerebral Assassin said:
Its less they don't "get" it, just that they prioritise different things (like the Wii's power consumption which most people wouldn't really care about, or its size or the 3DS's 3D rather than raw grunt). To be fair all the HW manufactures could be accused of that ( Sony a gen "late" to having in-built storage, the current emphasis on motion controls etc.)
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I fail to understand how not prioritizing things like online infrastructure can ever be excusable by saying they prioritized other things instead. Also don't we have quotes from Iwata or someone himself showing his cluelessness on the subject of online?

bgassassin said:
Ok. Well to shift the discussion of the thread a little, now that we are hearing more about the 7000 series I'm pretty much ready to kill my "Cayman Jr." hypothesis since AMD seems to only be carrying over VLIW5 through re-branding.
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no idea what you just said :P

AceBandage said:
Nintendo lays its own path and follows it. They don't care what everyone else has or does.
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circle pad pro would like to speak with you lulzz
 
-Pyromaniac- said:
I fail to understand how not prioritizing things like online infrastructure can ever be excusable by saying they prioritized other things instead. Also don't we have quotes from Iwata or someone himself showing his cluelessness on the subject of online?


no idea what you just said :P


circle pad pro would like to speak with you lulzz
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Circle Pad Pro was a concession to Capcom, just like the Classic Con Pro. They aren't mandating it for any game. They aren't even pushing it all that much.
 
AceBandage said:
Circle Pad Pro was a concession to Capcom, just like the Classic Con Pro. They aren't mandating it for any game. They aren't even pushing it all that much.
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yeah but it shows that they aren't so hard-headed on their own path. They did something, Capcom said if you want to play with the handheld big boys (aka us) you will release this ridiculous add-on (I'm actually for it, for the record), and they went and did it.

But once again, lets not even deny that Iwata has displayed cluelessness on the subject. He didn't prioritize shit, he simply didn't "get" it. And if he didn't get something as obvious and something as big as online gaming, I don't think it's totally unreasonable to say that although they may prioritize things over other things, there are also some things that they simply don't get. Same applies to all companies, but it's mostly evident on Nintendos end with something as huge as online gaming.
 
AceBandage said:
Besides even that, Nintendo DOES have franchises that kids definitely shouldn't play. Yes, most of their main franchises are family oriented, and that's why they are successful.
But you wouldn't give you 5 year old a copy of Sin and Punishment 2 or Pandora's Tower.
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That is very true.

Young children would probably also have problems with elements of Tingle and Birdo games, Other M, and Fire Emblem, just off the top of my head. (Remember Pandora's Tower is not a first party title, but a published one.)
 
I might be alone in this, but an M-Rated Nintendo developed game would be fucking weird. And not in a good way.

If something like Shadows of the Damned came out of Nintendo, it would be like watching the teenagers from Power Rangers do porn. "Oh man, this exists!" would be a cool novelty for a while, but it would feel kind of wrong.
 
ShockingAlberto said:
I might be alone in this, but an M-Rated Nintendo developed game would be fucking weird. And not in a good way.

If something like Shadows of the Damned came out of Nintendo, it would be like watching the teenagers from Power Rangers do porn. "Oh man, this exists!" would be a cool novelty for a while, but it would feel kind of wrong.
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is it not the same as nintendo trying to make more story focused games....Other M....that didn't turn out so well. They should just stick to their guns, and pay off third parties to do the rest. Not sure why people would want Nintendo to take away time from doing what they're best at to do something they clearly have no experience in. Crazy internet forumz pipe dreams.
 
-Pyromaniac- said:
I fail to understand how not prioritizing things like online infrastructure can ever be excusable by saying they prioritized other things instead. Also don't we have quotes from Iwata or someone himself showing his cluelessness on the subject of online?
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What percentage of 360 owners game online? What percentage of Xbox 1 owners did? Just because you game online doesn't mean that everyone does(is online gaming particularly popular in Japan?)

Its like I don't really understand how the 360 phat made it to the market with such endemic flaws, a console that doesn't last a gen is inexcusable to me, having to pass around 16-digit codes is merely an inconvenience compared to that(as you can play online games on the Wii with no real problems) Also outside of MK(& SSB) Nintendo don't really have many franchises that would suit online play so it will obviously be less of a focus to them.

Can you post the quotes that show this "cluenesness" from Iwata? I can't find anything that would fit that description (just him praising XBL)
 
Cerebral Assassin said:
What percentage of 360 owners game online? What percentage of Xbox 1 owners did? Just because you game online doesn't mean that everyone does(is online gaming particularly popular in Japan?)

Its like I don't really understand how the 360 phat made it to the market with such endemic flaws, a console that doesn't last a gen is inexcusable to me, having to pass around 16-digit codes is merely an inconvenience compared to that(as you can play online games on the Wii with no real problems) Also outside of MK(& SSB) Nintendo don't really have many franchises that would suit online play so it will obviously be less of a focus to them.
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it's not even about the friend codes alone, it's the lack of infrastructure as a whole. And I agree, MS rushed out a console to gain foothold (at least that second part is my theory), but I still don't think that justifies nintendo's lack of online efforts. Even Iwata admits they dropped the ball on it, but before the generation started he was making excuses as to why it wasn't necessary.
 
ShockingAlberto said:
I might be alone in this, but an M-Rated Nintendo developed game would be fucking weird. And not in a good way.

If something like Shadows of the Damned came out of Nintendo, it would be like watching the teenagers from Power Rangers do porn. "Oh man, this exists!" would be a cool novelty for a while, but it would feel kind of wrong.
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For me it would depend on the execution and type of M-rated game. I think solely dependent on the design and subject matter they could hit it out of the park. But yeah, any "macho grunt bs" would be stupid from Nintendo.
 
ShockingAlberto said:
I might be alone in this, but an M-Rated Nintendo developed game would be fucking weird. And not in a good way.

If something like Shadows of the Damned came out of Nintendo, it would be like watching the teenagers from Power Rangers do porn. "Oh man, this exists!" would be a cool novelty for a while, but it would feel kind of wrong.
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I would have no problems with the pink power ranger doing porn.
 
-Pyromaniac- said:
it's not even about the friend codes alone, it's the lack of infrastructure as a whole. And I agree, MS rushed out a console to gain foothold (at least that second part is my theory), but I still don't think that justifies nintendo's lack of online efforts. Even Iwata admits they dropped the ball on it, but before the generation started he was making excuses as to why it wasn't necessary.
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At the beginning of the gen it wasn't necessary for the market they were clearly aiming at, & what do you mean by infrastructure as a whole?(do you mean the Shop Channel?) I think even then they had some plans for online functionality (the weird questions channel, WiiConnect24) just not focussing on online multiplayer( as I think they believe that Local multiplayer is superior).
 
Cerebral Assassin said:
What percentage of 360 owners game online? What percentage of Xbox 1 owners did? Just because you game online doesn't mean that everyone does(is online gaming particularly popular in Japan?)

Its like I don't really understand how the 360 phat made it to the market with such endemic flaws, a console that doesn't last a gen is inexcusable to me, having to pass around 16-digit codes is merely an inconvenience compared to that(as you can play online games on the Wii with no real problems) Also outside of MK(& SSB) Nintendo don't really have many franchises that would suit online play so it will obviously be less of a focus to them.

Can you post the quotes that show this "cluenesness" from Iwata? I can't find anything that would fit that description (just him praising XBL)
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Pokemon.
 
Cerebral Assassin said:
At the beginning of the gen it wasn't necessary for the market they were clearly aiming at, & what do you mean by infrastructure as a whole?(do you mean the Shop Channel?) I think even then they had some plans for online functionality (the weird questions channel, WiiConnect24) just not focussing on online multiplayer( as I think they believe that Local multiplayer is superior).
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I mean having all facets of online tie into eachother like Live for instance. The whole entire ecosystem.

Nintendo seems to have a lot of shoddy spare parts right now when it comes to online. And now I bet they're trying to find that tightly knit solution that ties everything together.
 
-Pyromaniac- said:
is it not the same as nintendo trying to make more story focused games....Other M....that didn't turn out so well. They should just stick to their guns, and pay off third parties to do the rest. Not sure why people would want Nintendo to take away time from doing what they're best at to do something they clearly have no experience in. Crazy internet forumz pipe dreams.
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Because they want to "play a Nintendo game while keeping their manhood" and "something they could play with dudebros" and such. In other words, e-peen.
 
There's nothing too unbelievable with Nintendo developing an M-rated game (they have published games of that rating or equivalent before).

I certainly would be surprised if it was generic, though.

ShockingAlberto said:
If something like Shadows of the Damned came out of Nintendo, it would be like watching the teenagers from Power Rangers do porn. "Oh man, this exists!" would be a cool novelty for a while, but it would feel kind of wrong.
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For full disclosure: This does not exist.
 
ShockingAlberto said:
I might be alone in this, but an M-Rated Nintendo developed game would be fucking weird. And not in a good way.

If something like Shadows of the Damned came out of Nintendo, it would be like watching the teenagers from Power Rangers do porn. "Oh man, this exists!" would be a cool novelty for a while, but it would feel kind of wrong.
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I really, really, really want a survival horror from them though.
 
AzaK said:
May I ask where you got the measly 1.2x from? Are you thinking that Wii U, release in 2012, will only be 20% more powerful than tech released in 2005/6 and if so, why do you think that? Everything we're hearing would seem to indicated otherwise I thought.
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sorry I don't have links. but I remember a lot of developers claiming it was 'a little bit more powerful than what we have now' (paraphrasing)

of course now that we're getting closer to launch that's changed to 'OMG this thing is so powerful, we are in real danger of shutting off the Sun'

I've just learned to be cautious when it comes to Nintendo and hardware. but like I said, I'd REALLY love to be proven wrong (and let's face it, I'm a fanboy and will buy the system whatever the specs turn out to be).

and don't misunderstand me, I believe being released in 2012 and all it would be entirely possible for it to be 2X or even 5X more powerful than 360/PS3. the question is, will Nintendo go to that extreme? I believe ~1.2X (not specs, but overall the final image that's displayed on screen) is enough for casual observers to notice that 'yeah, that looks better than what I've seen from 360/PS3'

I think that will satisfy the miserly Nintendo execs.
 
I actually expect the games to look better than what we've seen on the PC.
Since they're going to be made to target a single hardware.

I'd really like some fast paced arcade style games on launch. Instead of F-Zero how about Nintendo take on Hydrothunder or something.
 
60_gig_PS3 said:
I actually expect the games to look better than what we've seen on the PC.
Since they're going to be made to target a single hardware.

I'd really like some fast paced arcade style games on launch. Instead of F-Zero how about Nintendo take on Hydrothunder or something.
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Exciteboats

It needs to happen.
 
I never understand the "cheap" arguments.

The 3DS is compared as cheap tech to a product that isn't even out in all regions. Plus, it's going to be $80 less by the time Vita is available everywhere. Of course tech that comes out later and at a more expensive cost will be more advanced. It better be.

Wii is compared as cheap tech also, but everyone forgets that the Wii launched at $150 less than what the 360 was available for and $250 less than what the PS3 was available for. MS and Sony aren't being altruistic here. Sure, they lost money, but they still passed on huge costs to the consumer.

If you say that Nintendo was foolish to leave out a detail as obvious as a second analog stick, I'd agree. If you say that you prefer to pay more to get more tech from your console, that's a valid argument. But "cheapness" isn't, particularly when you actually consider the competition's pricing on the console side and the Vita release date on the handheld side.
 
Nintendo-4Life said:
Pokemon.
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Pokemon's online in BW was pretty good. A 'proper' full-scale console RPG is probably never going to happen (and a MMORPG even less so) and on-line battles already seem relatively popular in the battle-sims, at least in Japan.

AceBandage said:
Except Zelda and Metroid.
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I said all of them. Turn Zelda into a war game - like COD but LOTR style. Would sell billions.
Metroid can become Starcraft.

sfried said:
I'm pretty sure it's first party. Ganbarion might have been the developers but the rights are owned by Nintendo, so it is as much a Nintendo franchise as Sin & Punishment.
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I did not know they owned the rights. I use first-party to reference games made in-house, sometimes games made on a contract under 'supervision' (like Strikers). Was the Pandora's Tower concept from Ganbarion or Nintendo and did they just pitch the game to them to get it published/better marketing/whatever? Either way, it certainly is a title and style Nintendo is willing to support.
 
-Pyromaniac- said:
I mean having all facets of online tie into eachother like Live for instance. The whole entire ecosystem.

Nintendo seems to have a lot of shoddy spare parts right now when it comes to online. And now I bet they're trying to find that tightly knit solution that ties everything together.
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With a device like the Upad, this needs to happen. Anything less is a waste of potential imo. A full online eco environment tied to a multi-function touchscreen controller would be great. Also being able to customize your own UI, navigation and alerts while being fully connected while in-game in full HD Nintendo 1st party glory...for me anyway would signify next-gen arriving.

As for the circle pad argument. Why not do a simple compromise of having a deeper recessed area where they would be functional analog sticks (clickable too) but retain the aesthetic Nintendo wants? Only possibly rising slightly higher than the circle pads would be.
 
MrBelmontvedere said:
sorry I don't have links. but I remember a lot of developers claiming it was 'a little bit more powerful than what we have now' (paraphrasing)

of course now that we're getting closer to launch that's changed to 'OMG this thing is so powerful, we are in real danger of shutting off the Sun'

I've just learned to be cautious when it comes to Nintendo and hardware. but like I said, I'd REALLY love to be proven wrong (and let's face it, I'm a fanboy and will buy the system whatever the specs turn out to be).

and don't misunderstand me, I believe being released in 2012 and all it would be entirely possible for it to be 2X or even 5X more powerful than 360/PS3. the question is, will Nintendo go to that extreme? I believe ~1.2X (not specs, but overall the final image that's displayed on screen) is enough for casual observers to notice that 'yeah, that looks better than what I've seen from 360/PS3'

I think that will satisfy the miserly Nintendo execs.
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1.2x will do nothing at all for visuals. It would barely be able to make frame rates slightly more stable. Even developers wouldn't be able to notice a increase that microscopic. Casual observers would not notice a difference. Talking about casual observers, even 3x would give mixed opinions.
 
StreetsAhead said:
Pokemon's online in BW was pretty good. A 'proper' full-scale console RPG is probably never going to happen (and a MMORPG even less so) and on-line battles already seem relatively popular in the battle-sims, at least in Japan.
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What about F-Zero, Pikmin... Starfox? Point is there are many Nintendo franchises that will from benefit online, let's not kid ourselves here.
 
ShockingAlberto said:
I might be alone in this, but an M-Rated Nintendo developed game would be fucking weird. And not in a good way.

If something like Shadows of the Damned came out of Nintendo, it would be like watching the teenagers from Power Rangers do porn. "Oh man, this exists!" would be a cool novelty for a while, but it would feel kind of wrong.
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I agree and disagree to a degree.

I don't want Nintendo to make M-rated games... especially the way the industry currently handles M-rated games...

But playing Gotham City Impostor beta, I realize there's a huge market for games in certain genre that are a bit more family friendly.

I mean I like GCI because it seems to be a nice, simple and goofy shooter. Something that is really rare in the genre at the moment. Reminds me of the water based FPS on WiiWare. That stuff, where parents wouldn't be ashamed to buy their kids, and can still be used to build a certain base on your console.
 
Penguin said:
I agree and disagree to a degree.

I don't want Nintendo to make M-rated games... especially the way the industry currently handles M-rated games...

But playing Gotham City Impostor beta, I realize there's a huge market for games in certain genre that are a bit more family friendly.

I mean I like GCI because it seems to be a nice, simple and goofy shooter. Something that is really rare in the genre at the moment. Reminds me of the water based FPS on WiiWare. That stuff, where parents wouldn't be ashamed to buy their kids, and can still be used to build a certain base on your console.
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How about a Grand Theft Auto game in the Lego Universe?
 
Nintendo-4Life said:
What about F-Zero, Pikmin... Starfox? Point is there are many Nintendo franchises that will from benefit online, let's not kid ourselves here.
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Oh, I'm not saying that online is bad (although, I don't want to pay $60 a year to be abused be emasculated 12-year-olds). Shoe-horning it in to, say a 3D Mario or Zelda, to pander to the wants of a niche market, I would argue, would be unwise.

To add to your list, better online in Animal Crossing wouldn't be unwanted, either.


AceBandage said:
How about a Grand Theft Auto game in the Lego Universe?
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Nah, that'd be sil- Oh, wait.
 
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