NFL 2011 Conference Championship |OT| Mission Impossible? It Takes a Cruz!

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Buckethead said:
Yeah yesterday that wasn't the case beyond that strip fumble by Osi or Tuck or whoever that was.

It was a case of the WRs/RBs dropping the ball.
When you hold the ball out and don't secure it, you're going to fumble.
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It's disingenuous to argue that defense wasn't hugely important this weekend. Niners gave up 32 points, yes, but they also forced five turnovers and had the Saints hearing footsteps all day. That's defense.

Baltimore gave up a bunch of yards to Foster but had three picks.

Saying the Niners defense isn't as good as the '85 Bears is a lazy comparison. It's a different league and that's an all time defense. The Packers this year weren't as good as the Greatest Show on Turf either, but that doesn't take away from what they did.

DeaconKnowledge said:
"Defense wins championships" Is kind of a false statement. Here's a better one.

You can't win on one side of the ball.

Been saying it all year - Packers D was shit, so when the Offense sputtered (as offenses will do) the Packers had nothing to back themselves up with. It's silly to think that any team can play 19 games of flawless offense.
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Well put. It's why Houston fans should be bummed out for a long time. A healthy Texans team is the most well rounded in the league.
 
DeaconKnowledge said:
You can't win on one side of the ball.
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I agree and as ass-y as the defense was in terms of pressure, they typically got turnovers and red zone stops. Turnovers and PPG is obviously way more important than yards.

The Packers defense struggled yesterday but they kept them in the game. The offense crapped the bed with all those fumbles.

Gigglepoo said:
It's disingenuous to argue that defense wasn't hugely important this weekend.
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I'm not arguing that fact or saying the article is good.
Vic Ketchman is awful and I hope he goes back to Jacksonville.

What I am saying is that the Packers beat themselves yesterday. The Giants couldn't get pressure all game (beyond the fumble that I mentioned).
The Giants secondary did a decent job of covering sure but you can't credit them with making big plays or forcing those mistakes.

Sure they got their hands on balls that were stupidly held out and picked up balls on the ground but I expect as much from any NFL player.

Except Charlie Peprah. He probably would pick it up and hand it back to the offense.
 
RBH said:
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"Cannot play with him. Cannot win with him. Cannot coach with him. Can't do it. I want winners! I want people who want to win!


Completely forgot about this until now as well.
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Hope we don't get revisionist history on this because at that time VD was a lazy pain in the ass that had that coming.
 
captive said:
So i watched all the games this weekend. Does anyone else think the rules changed for the playoffs or they aren't enforcing them the same? I saw multiple "defenseless receiver" hits, late hits on QB's hands to the head on QBs late hits on QBs and the only one that was called was the non helmet to helmet hit on Rogers by Osi.
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Agree, definitely more lenient, but I liked it. Kinda almost like it used to be.
 
I agree with all the above.

The reason I posted that Q&A was less about defenses as a whole in the league and more about pointing out that it wasn't the Packers' D that cost them the game yesterday. Their offensive performance was worse than a sputter, and they didn't even need to play a flawless game to capitalize on their opportunities.
 
Buckethead said:
I agree and as ass-y as the defense was in terms of pressure, they typically got turnovers and red zone stops. Turnovers and PPG is obviously way more important than yards.

The Packers defense struggled yesterday but they kept them in the game. The offense crapped the bed with all those fumbles.
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The refs kept you in it. 14 Green Bay points were directly off of bad calls. That roughing the passer call was especially bad.

As for Turnovers -

Steelers were the number one scoring defense while forcing the fewest turnovers. Yards allowed > all.
 
I hate the comparisons to the Wild Card round a few years ago.

Patriots offense is completely different.
Ravens defense is much different.

I had my fun with the Broncos game, but I really want to see a close game.


Dutch Patriot said:
If they lose, it's on you....

GOOOOOOOOO!
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It'll be a game time decision.
 
Greg said:
I agree with all the above.

The reason I posted that Q&A was less about defenses as a whole in the league and more about pointing out that it wasn't the Packers' D that cost them the game yesterday. Their offensive performance was worse than a sputter, and they didn't even need to play a flawless game to capitalize on their opportunities.
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I only saw the second half, but Rodgers was scrambling every time he dropped back. Granted, he's the best in the league at throwing on the run, but doing it extensively has to be difficult.

Every year we have a team bench starters late in the regular season and then crap the bed in the playoffs. Why don't coaches learn. I can't think of any time in history when a QB was injured in the last game of a season, so why are coaches so damn paranoid about that?
 
DeaconKnowledge said:
The refs kept you in it. 14 Green Bay points were directly off of bad calls. That roughing the passer call was especially bad.
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i think the fumble was more egregious. One ref gets to overrule the rest of them who were all playing it like a fumble? And then, AND THEN, they get to go look at it in super slow motion and you could clearly see the ball coming out before any part of his body was on the ground and they uphold the overruled call on the field? What is the point of replay and challenges of they are just going to get them wrong.

With the roughing the passer, its bang bang in real time, still a bad call though.
 
Gigglepoo said:
I only saw the second half, but Rodgers was scrambling every time he dropped back. Granted, he's the best in the league at throwing on the run, but doing it extensively has to be difficult.

Every year we have a team bench starters late in the regular season and then crap the bed in the playoffs. Why don't coaches learn. I can't think of any time in history when a QB was injured in the last game of a season, so why are coaches so damn paranoid about that?
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Ben suffered a bad concussion on the last game of the season against the Browns in 2008.

Then won the Super Bowl. *cough*
 
Yes we're all aware that the refs made some horrid calls.

Doesn't change the facts of how the defense played.

Don't be obtuse by focusing on semantics.
 
Tom Penny said:
His role on the team is Ocho sized right now. That's why they got Julian and Sterling Moore !!!
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Pats are one injury away from playing him though :( Edalman has been surprisingly good covering slot receivers, and Moore is awesome right now.
Sanjuro Tsubaki said:
I hate the comparisons to the Wild Card round a few years ago.

Patriots offense is completely different.
Ravens defense is much different.

I had my fun with the Broncos game, but I really want to see a close game.

It'll be a game time decision.
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Yea it's annoying, but there is nothing they can do about it. Every board I visit people keep bringing the 09 game up like the same teams are playing. The Pats were not a good team in 09, and Welker didn't even play. Just look at the other receivers in the game. It's all on the Pats defense. If they can slow Rice down they have a good chance of winning the game.
 
Buckethead said:
What I am saying is that the Packers beat themselves yesterday. The Giants couldn't get pressure all game (beyond the fumble that I mentioned).
The Giants secondary did a decent job of covering sure but you can't credit them with making big plays or forcing those mistakes.

Sure they got their hands on balls that were stupidly held out and picked up balls on the ground but I expect as much from any NFL player.

Except Charlie Peprah. He probably would pick it up and hand it back to the offense.
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The Giants had 4 sacks and Rodgers had to scramble for first downs 6 separate times after being flushed from the pocket.

Also, considering the Packers' defense only managed to stay above completely worthless all season by forcing turnovers, it seems disingenuous to argue that GB's turnovers yesterday were just "the Packers beating themselves." The two games the Packers lost were when they lost the turnover battle, so I guess we shouldn't count any of their wins when they won it.

Although I guess I can't blame the "they didn't beat us, we beat ourselves" sentiment, since that is usually the last refuge of the defeated desperately searching for the smallest of moral victories.
 
LJ11 said:
He's fucking terrible dude, Schotty's concocted his own unique amalgam of shit and it's wholly his own.

I'm eating crow because I thought he wouldn't sniff another job unless his father gave him one.

Maybe it was just the Jets, Pennington really didn't have the weapons or the arm and Sanchez stunk, but I just can't put it entirely on the personnel. Watching his offense you know it's more a problem with his play calling than the players.

May work out though, Saban considered him, Fishers not a dope, so they must know something outsiders don't.

Look on the brightside, you still have the Texans.
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Every time I think of Brian Schottenheimer, I think of him coddling and holding Sanchez's hand throughout the entirety of Hard Knocks. The move of Shotty makes me wonder how Bradford will be with an injection of confidence. It also makes me wonder how Sanchez will be with someone on his ass rather than kissing it.
 
Eli manning is gonna turn the niners into whiners. and win the Super Bowl. fck the rest of the teams.
 
Unless hail mary's are a common success in today's NFL, I don't think the score should have been any worse than 20-10 or something similar.

Yes, the defense was bad but that's expected. The offense played a terrible game and you can't do that and win.
 
Futurevoid said:
Yup. Thank god that 27th ranked defense was there carrying the team the whole season to get them to the playoffs! I don't know what the Giants would have done without them. I mean it was the defense with those 15 4th quarter touchdowns and 5 come from behind wins, right? Or that monster Giants run game that decided to show up in Week 15....

Those 600+ yards and 6 TD's have nothing to do with either those playoff wins either, right? I don't even care about the elite label shit but it's laughable to not give him his due.
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Redskins had a top-ranked defense in like 2008 but it didn't mean shit because although they didn't give up a lot of points or yards, they never forced sacks or many turnovers, and the yardage they did give up often was big plays. The Giants D, on the other hand, despite being ranked low overall, were still forcing sacks and for the most part, turnovers, all season long. Your secondary, which has never really been much above average, was the cause of your headaches throughout the season. That and your offense turning the ball over which necessitated 4th quarter comebacks. It's like saying Tebow was ultimate clutch in the 4th quarter; the Broncos wouldn't have needed to come back in those games in Tebow had played better the other 3 quarters. Eli is not an elite quarterback, and he will not win another SB (even if the Giants D-line hulks out for the remainder of the playoffs). Period.
 
cuevas said:
Should of been 20-3, possibly even 23/7-3.
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B-b-but what if it was ruled a fumble and Manning threw a TAINT on the next play? What if Giants didn't score on the hail mary? Come on, you should know by now that the what if game is useless.

The facts are:
It was 20-10 at halftime
The Packers got the ball to start the 3rd
The Giants were held to 6 offensive plays in the 3rd
GB's offense didn't capitalize during that time

BaltimoreLarry said:
Man I hate real pic January. I do not want to see what you jerks look like, it's ruining the allure of this forum.
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Like my new hat?
 
LiveWire said:
ELI-TE my ass. Eli got out quarterbacked by Rex Grossman TWICE this year. As has been the case for all of the successful Giants teams in their history, it's been about their defensive line and/or linebackers. Eli getting another free pass. smh
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You're wrong and laughably so. Was talking to Meier and he pointed out how not a soul talked about Eli putting up 4900+ yards this season. All you hear about is Brees, Brady, and Stafford putting up 5000 +. Eli's mark was fourth this year, sixth in all time NFL history.

How can you talk about Eli being out QBed by Grossman. The Giants secondary was horrific for much of the year, and until the Jets game, the Giants receivers weren't helping Eli out much at all. Did you forget Hakeem Nicks' huge drop that pretty much changed the game against you guys?
 
LiveWire said:
Redskins had a top-ranked defense in like 2008 but it didn't mean shit because although they didn't give up a lot of points or yards, they never forced sacks or many turnovers, and the yardage they did give up often was big plays. The Giants D, on the other hand, despite being ranked low overall, were still forcing sacks and for the most part, turnovers, all season long. Your secondary, which has never really been much above average, was the cause of your headaches throughout the season. That and your offense turning the ball over which necessitated 4th quarter comebacks. It's like saying Tebow was ultimate clutch in the 4th quarter; the Broncos wouldn't have needed to come back in those games in Tebow had played better the other 3 quarters. Eli is not an elite quarterback, and he will not win another SB (even if the Giants D-line hulks out for the remainder of the playoffs). Period.
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Greg said:
The facts are:
It was 20-10 at halftime
The Packers got the ball to start the 3rd
The Giants were held to 6 offensive plays in the 3rd
GB's offense didn't capitalize during that time
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That's about as simple as you can put it. Most games the offense puts up 14 or more in a stretch like that. Not yesterday.

I'm off, need to find something to do. Even my gym is closed today, though. Shame.

Dutch Patriot said:
If the Patriots and Giants win this weekend, the Harbowl will take place in Hawaii! AWESOME!
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I thought it was Packers/Texans staffs announced?
 
Madtown_ said:
Unless hail mary's are a common success in today's NFL, I don't think the score should have been any worse than 20-10 or something similar.

Yes, the defense was bad but that's expected. The offense played a terrible game and you can't do that and win.
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20-10??? Maybe 20-6, but not 20-10. Without the refs charity the Packers wouldn't have scored any TD's yesterday.
 
DeaconKnowledge said:
"Defense wins championships" Is kind of a false statement. Here's a better one.

You can't win on one side of the ball.

Been saying it all year - Packers D was shit
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This.

Several members of Packers Age were calling out the Defense. Shit, Efforkusu was calling them out all damn year. Me and TL were talking about how shitty they were a few weeks ago and how they were going to be a liability. Ez then proceeded to troll us lol - to be fair he loves to troll everyone though!

I was right when i originally said it and im right now... this D is garbo. Opportunistically below average
 
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