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[Watch Da Birdie]

Even Windwaker which was a very direct sequel did a lot to shed ties to that instance in the franchise.

Quoting this from 36 pages ago, but I always thought that Wind Waker was very intentionally created as a reaction to the negative reaction Majora's Mask got when it was first released because it wasn't Ocarina PT. 2. It just fits.

First off, even though Majora's Mask is a dark-game at its core, when it first was released many people criticized it for being overly weird and wacky as opposed to Ocarina of Time, which people heralded as an epic, a dark and mature game. All the wacky characters of Ocarina of Time returned in Majora's Mask with more focus, you had a wacky comical fairy sidekick as opposed to the straight-laced Navi, those cartoon beaver brothers and the big-lipped fairies, an odd pseudo-modern world with boats, bars, and motorboats...at first glance, Majora's Mask is very tongue-in-cheek, and it definitely upset people who didn't try and look past the game's outer package for the brilliance within.

So, when it's time for Wind Waker, Nintendo decides to try and show people that placing one game in the series on a pedestal, and demanding everything after to stick close to it, is a bad idea because it denies developers to let their series grow and forces them to stagnate. A lot of the GCN/GBA Nintendo games really departed from previous games...you had Sunshine, Metroid Prime, Ruby and Sapphire, etc...they all mixed things up and were met with much negative criticism at first from fans who placed 64, Super Metroid, and G/S on a pedestal. Wind Waker takes the wacky outer-package of Majora's Mask up to 100%, using a style that they KNOW would bother the die-hard Ocarina fans.

The ending of the game pretty much is aimed at the audience...Ganondorf and the King of Hyrule ARE the Ocarina fans, unable to let the past go. It's only when the King realizes that putting a kingdom, a great game, on a pedestal and trying to revive it long after the fact is denying the new generation the ability to grow and evolve, to find a new great game, so to speak, and thus finally lets the past go.

 

[JumpingTheGun]

I really want to see Bobby Kotick and Activision fail in my lifetime.

 

[Deified Data]

Chrono Cross > Chrono Trigger

 

[Derrick01]

I really want to see Bobby Kotick and Activision fail in my lifetime.

I don't know how that's controversial here but I'm going to play along too.

Nothing would make me happier than to wake up one morning and find out that EA has collapsed and Riccitiello lost all his money and has to live under a bridge. I would probably piss my pants in sheer joy. I know I would definitely cry in joy.

 

[Mœbius]

I think (and thought at the time of release when playing them) that the SNES Mario games were hugely overrated, the games themselves were ok, but nothing great. (This point is true of so many games... Halo springs to mind.) The whole fanaticism around Mario (and by extension Nintendo) confuses and scares me, and is kinda pathetic... especially as it's mostly grown men going on about it now.

Also the Final Fantasy series is utter pap - contrived, trite, and plain boring.

 

[GamerSoul]

I enjoyed Resident Evil 5 much more than Resident Evil 4 - having played both during release. I think Resident Evil 5 is a better game because of of the multiplayer and I think that the whole concept of the game being more action and less survival horror was already in full effect by RE4. (seems to be a more popular opinion than I thought though)

I bought a 360 because I loved RE4 and HAD to play RE5.RE5 is an amazing game and maybe a bit better, but RE4 is definitely more memorable / atmospheric and that is a really important aspect of any game.

 

[Riposte]

I don't know how that's controversial here but I'm going to play along too.

Nothing would make me happier than to wake up one morning and find out that EA has collapsed and Riccitiello lost all his money and has to live under a bridge. I would probably piss my pants in sheer joy. I know I would definitely cry in joy.

This would probably only signify some really terrible things going on in the videogame industry, especially on the side of consoles and big PC releases.

 

[cyborg009]

I think (and thought at the time of release when playing them) that the SNES Mario games were hugely overrated, the games themselves were ok, but nothing great. (This point is true of so many games... Halo springs to mind.) The whole fanaticism around Mario (and by extension Nintendo) confuses and scares me, and is kinda pathetic... especially as it's mostly grown men going on about it now.

Also the Final Fantasy series is utter pap - contrived, trite, and plain boring.

I due agree with you about mario and as for final fantasy I play XIII for 1 hour and got really bored but Final Fantasy type-0 was good change I suggest you try it.

 

[Fine Ham Abounds]

I'm just a dude, but I feel the same way. The "sexy" stuff was kinda fun in a silly way, but I didn't find it enticing or anything like that. It was way too weird for that. I enjoyed it because it's an incredible action game, not because the heroine does sexy poses every now and then. It's all tounge-in-cheek anyways.

Yeah, the visual design was as nuts as the plot, and while I'm glad it was what it was, it could have been anything thanks to the game's strong foundation. I will add that it was definitely one of the few games the woman and I enjoyed alternately playing and watching the other play in a long while.

 

[Piercedveil]

Half-Life 2 is one of the most boring games I have ever played. I beat it by hoping it would be fun at some point. Didn't happen..

 

[Emitan]

64 > Melee in some areas such as character balance

WAT

 

[deepbrown]

Uncharted avatar makes this

 

[Noise Pollution]

MGS4 and Gran Turismo 5 are my two favorite games on the PS3. I mean, that is not as bad as saying Heavy Rain had a great script.

I bought the MGS4 console bundle the day it came out and I still think that MGS4 is the best in the series.

Spoiler

Gameplay wise; the story was a bit nuts.

 

[dude]

A thing that really shouldn't be controversial but for some reason is - Blizzard does not deserve some sort of undying trust or the religious devotion they enjoy.
That might have been true before, but before they released games yearly - until WoW hit and then for six years Blizzard just ignored eveyrhing that wasn't WoW, and the first game since than was Starcraft 2 which did not even come close to living up to Blizzard's former self (even though it was a good game overall.)

 

[spirity]

A thing that really shouldn't be controversial but for some reason is - Blizzard does not deserve some sort of undying trust or the religious devotion they enjoy.
That might have been true before, but before they released games yearly - until WoW hit and then for six years Blizzard just ignored eveyrhing that wasn't WoW, and the first game since than was Starcraft 2 which did not even come close to living up to Blizzard's former self (even though it was a good game overall.)

My fascination for WoW withered quicky, I don't like rts games and I bet I'll play Diablo 3 for a month and move on, just like I did with the first 2. Their games are extremely polished and well built and they deserve kudos for that, but they really aren't all that great.

 

[Correctomundo]

I really want to see Bobby Kotick and Activision fail in my lifetime.

Now see, this is an actual controversial opinion. On the one hand, it would be bad for the industry to lose a major player with so many major franchises and potential like that, but it would simulataneously be a deliciously appropriate justice. Especially if Kotick began whining about how it was someone Else's fault.

 

[Valhelm]

I think that Halo: Reach is the best of the series, in most ways. While ODST has a vastly better story, I prefer Reach's gameplay, both in campaign and matchmaking.

I've played every Halo title, including Wars, except for Halo 2.

 

[AlphaDragoon]

- Skyrim and Oblivion are better than Morrowind.
- RE4 is way better than the old RE games.
- Uncharted should not have multiplayer.
- Final Fantasy VIII was amazing.
- The only good Xenosaga game is Episode II. And that's because it's an actual game and not an interactive movie.
- Half-Life 2 is boring.
- Dual-analog FPS controls are an abomination.
- I like the story of Kingdom Hearts games.
- PS3 is the worst console of this generation.
- Halo and Call of Duty both suck.
- I like Super Smash Brothers Brawl more than Melee.

 

[Karak]

Steam and Valve are just as capable and content to fuck people, not fix their problems, or ignore requests for assistance with problems on their service, as anyone else in the field.

Uncharted series is average

I like Feedback on G4tv

I love the Call of Duty series stories

Dark Souls would have been much better if it actually had combat depth and not faked it by simply making it unforgiving and the aiming shit

 

[NEOPARADIGM]

The combat in Demon/Dark-souls lacks depth.

Compared to what? (Honest question.)

Bayonetta? Sure.

Skyrim? lol.

It's relative.

 

[psykomyko]

I think all the 3D Zeldas are long winded, boring, and simply inferior to the highly condensed Link To The Past or Link's Awakening.

Pretty much my feeling as well. Only 3D one I enjoyed was The Wind Waker.


BioWare has made nothing but garbage since Knights of the Old Republic.

I have never enjoyed a single Final Fantasy game.

 

[perfectnight]

If it appears "weak" it's only because Zelda doesn't rely on it. It's a perfect way to introduce players to the game's mechanics though. Exposition is the cherry on top. SS's story is actually easy to follow.

I like RPGs (EarthBound, Pokemon, the various Mario RPGs), and I've enjoyed, perhaps prefer, some good, real-time, RPGs (Dungeon Fighter, PSO). Ragging on an action game like SS for having lots of text feels like it shouldn't be acceptable in other games, but it IS accepted in other games. Whole genres, even.

Zelda's mechanics are extremely easy to grasp, and it's ridiculous how much filler there is in the 3D games. Personally, I enjoyed the 2D Zelda games because of the dungeons. I can't ever remembering thinking "You know what would make this even better? a bunch of filler that slows the pace to a crawl!"

There's nothing wrong with a game having lots of text. However, I do have a problem when all that writing is boring as shit and detracts from the main thing I want to do in the game: Solve some fucking dungeons.

 

[qq more]

WAT

Shush I'm just trying to get back at Anth0ny

Spoiler

The only thing I was serious about is the speed, and was half serious about the stage selection. And the balance thing was just to throw everyone off. Although I find the fact Ness sucking in Melee unforgivable.

 

[relaxor]

Call of Duty 1 with United Offensive is the best multiplayer of the series. It was fresh, the levels were asymmetrical and balanced, and the online community was fun and COULD PLAY AS A TEAM.

 

[vall03]

since there was a recent thread about Falcom RPGs...

Legend of Heroes 1-3 PSP are great games!

 

[Keasar]

I hate unlockables that takes longer then 10-20 hours to achieve in multiplayer FPS games, even though they are supposed to "lengthen the game experience".

I think F2P is a stupid idea, since it often results into the game being more expensive in the long run if I would happen to like it.

I think God of War was a pretty poor series of action games.

Bayonetta was a good self-aware female character.

Final Fantasy VII is not that good.

IX was better.

 

[Zuhzuhzombie!!]

Chrono Cross > Chrono Trigger

Bullshit.

I think God of War was a pretty poor series of action games.

It's not controversial if everyone thinks that.

 

[?oe?oe]

I enjoyed the Temple of the Ocean King in Phantom Hourglass. I thought nothing of it. It wasn't until I went and checked web that the internets hated the temple and the game with a passion. I was all, WHAAA, Chillax, BRAHS, don't get your panties in a knot.

 

[Zuhzuhzombie!!]

Oh.


I guess mine is that Half Life 2 is boring as hell.

LA Noire is really crappy and dated.


EDIT


The Kingdom Hearts games are really really really awful.

 

[megashock5]

I think Skyward Sword is too difficult and much prefer Wind Waker/Twilight Princess level of difficulty.

Of course, we could all be happy if Nintendo would just let the user actually choose the difficulty. Such a radical concept.

 

[BudokaiMR2]

Kingdom Hearts sucks and always has. Stupid fucking story with way too much silly fan service and crap gameplay.

Especially the first one. It was full of broken levels that were no fun. The fact that it has blew up into this huge franchise from that POS blows me away.

 

[AkimbO_Arcana]

LA Noire is really crappy and dated.

It's not controversial if everyone thinks that.

Spoiler

I loved it. I think that's more controversial.

 

[MisterHero]

Zelda's mechanics are extremely easy to grasp, and it's ridiculous how much filler there is in the 3D games. Personally, I enjoyed the 2D Zelda games because of the dungeons. I can't ever remembering thinking "You know what would make this even better? a bunch of filler that slows the pace to a crawl!"

There's nothing wrong with a game having lots of text. However, I do have a problem when all that writing is boring as shit and detracts from the main thing I want to do in the game: Solve some fucking dungeons.

Yeah for some it's hard to accept, which is okay, but Zelda isn't completely about pure exploring or pure dungeon-crawling.

I agree that maybe between-dungeon content is getting more plentiful. However, I would argue that Skyward Sword handled it much better than any of the games after Majora's Mask (which is a great game and has TONS of filler; big deal).

Yes it borrowed the DS Phantom Dungeons, but SS's versions were much quicker and more intense. The challenges in the 2nd half of the game were region-specific, did not repeat each other, and were fairly well-paced as well.

The filler is happening because technology is letting the series (beginning with A Link to the Past!) grow in different directions with a bigger world, more characters, and more ways to explore it. I understand if you want a more direct-to-dungeon approach, but the series isn't going that one way, 2D or 3D.

*Filler was evident in Minish Cap and arguably the Oracle series, so it's not really a trait exclusive to the 3D titles. This goes for the DS games, because they're 2D games with 3D graphics.

This leads to my controversial stance on SS: The non-dungeon filler is actually fun and well-constructed. The simple presence of it doesn't actually ruin the game, and people need to stop citing the limited NES formulas for future design boundaries.

 

[Zuhzuhzombie!!]

Spoiler

I loved it. I think that's more controversial.

Nah. People like awful games all the time.

 

[Princess Carl]

I think that Halo: Reach is the best of the series, in most ways. While ODST has a vastly better story, I prefer Reach's gameplay, both in campaign and matchmaking.

I've played every Halo title, including Wars, except for Halo 2.

There's your problem.

 

[Zuhzuhzombie!!]

Another:


Double Dash!! is the best kart racing game. Ever.


Panzer Dragoon Saga > FF7. Full 3D. Full voice acting, Interesting story. Interesting gaming mechanics.

 

[LCGeek]

Counter Strike source is a better game for pubbing and pugging than the original cs, this of course excludes my beta experience as cs beta vs any of it's current form isn't really comparable.

 

[Dambrosi]

I like Nintendo hardware and especially their games, and I don't want them to go third party.

I also think that anyone who does isn't worth replying to, which is why I stay out of NINTY IZ D0000000000MD threads, of which there were many last year before the PS Vita became NeoGAF's new whipping boy.

 

[Combichristoffersen]

Nah. People like awful games all the time.

Yeah, there's lots of Zelda fans out there

Seriously though, I actually like the God of War games way more than combat-focused games in the same genre like DMC, Ninja Gaiden and Bayonetta (although I enjoy those games too).

 

[Lionheart1337]

Any game with ironsights and cover-based combat needs to die.

 

[MechaX]

The RE6 announcement actually reminded me about this.

I absolutely hated REmake.

Not counting shit like Survivor and Dead Aim, I would probably say that its down there with 0 as my most hated RE game. And this is coming from some one who still likes the old style of RE as well as 4 and 5 (well... at least half of RE5 when it works right). REmake was just a drudge for me to go through, characters are acting goofy to the point where it goes beyond "so good its bad" to just "bad", needless backtracking, etc, etc.

 

[Noise Pollution]

I actually enjoy Kotaku and L.A. Noire was one of my favorite games of 2011.

 

[Zuhzuhzombie!!]

I actually enjoy Kotaku and L.A. Noire was one of my favorite games of 2011.

Hmmmm.

Hmmmmm.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

since there was a recent thread about Falcom RPGs...

Legend of Heroes 1-3 PSP are great games!

This dude. I really enjoyed them. As I don't know any Japanese, I never really could see how supposedly different the story was from the original versions. Some bad translations existed, but way over-exaggerated.

BTW, Shadow of the Colossus. Overhype to the extreme! Nearly unplayable framerate, graphics so muddy it would make Morrowind look like Rayman: Origins and awful controls at times. The muddiness of it all made the game feel depressing and lonely, but I guess that is partially what they were going for except it was downright ugly. Good concept with an attempt to be "pretty" but overall, gameplay is atrocious!

I did like Ico, however.

 

[hlhbk]

I forgot 3 of mine.

1. There hasn't been a better FPS since Doom and Doom II were released.

2. LA Noire is one of the best, though provoking, best told narratives this generation.

3. The Assassins Creed series is one of the best, most infuential and inoovative series in the history of gaming.

 

[Mengetsu]

Another:

Double Dash!! is the best kart racing game. Ever.

*Brofist*

 

[Murrah]

I've been gaming for nearly 20 years and I think the Wii has the best library of any console. Like, ever. Even ignoring first party games I think the library's pretty great, to the point where this has been the first gen where I've been a one console owner. I'm a sick pup

 

[hlhbk]

I've been gaming for nearly 20 years and I think the Wii has the best library of any console. Like, ever. Even ignoring first party games I think the library's pretty great, to the point where this has been the first gen where I've been a one console owner. I'm a sick pup

I have 4 Wii games in my gaming collection, so to say I don't agree would be an understatement.

 

[Xux]

Let's see...developers whose name starts with a B:
Blizzard
Black Isle
Bethseda
Bioware

Nope, there is not a single dev that matches your description

All of them do since they seem to stick to throw away genres like WRPGs and RTS' and make a lot of games that are too open-ended or have too much customization.

I absolutely hate Metroid Prime 3's controls.

Kind of unrelated but I thought there was absolutely nothing at all wrong with the controls in the first two on the GameCube; most 'cause there was never any instance of needing any other control scheme.

Darkstalkers has the best cast of characters of any fighting game.
Chun Li's outfit is silly and dated looking.
The platforming controls and physics in Little Big Planet are terrible.

 

[weekend_warrior]

I've been gaming for nearly 20 years and I think the Wii has the best library of any console. Like, ever. Even ignoring first party games I think the library's pretty great, to the point where this has been the first gen where I've been a one console owner. I'm a sick pup

Wow. We have a winner!