That has to do with the skill of the colorists more than anything. Code Geass is a Sunrise show, after all.
But none of this has to do with the animation quality... just aesthetic tastes. Animation is related to the movement.
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But none of this has to do with the animation quality... just aesthetic tastes. Animation is related to the movement.
I associate it with the movement though, the way the colours work with the background (and the fact that the backgrounds were actually hand drawn). Im not an animator so I don't have the vocabulary to properly explain my position.
That reminds me of the scientific consensus on noah's ark that states that if a global flood were to actually happen as described in noah's ark, fish would be extinct / wouldn't survive such a catastrophe.. maybe that ties into the whole noah's ark and lack of faith allusion.
Noah had an aquariam duh!
Mortrialus
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I think its less that she outright hates Eva, and more that she finds it split between being "The best monster of the week show ever" and "Critically flawed because of the core philosophy behind it." I mean, just watching the review, I can't say I really disagree with any of the criticisms she brought up about Eva. Baccano is just a lot of fun. I don't think she's ever claimed that it was anything more than that, just that it was mindless violence done fantastically well, which I agree with. Still working on Monster.
Well apparently oshii was a believer but gradually lost his faith later on.. maybe it was because he realized the impossibility of noah's ark and then made a film vaguely related to that notion later on?! as for the actual film itself - pizzaroll did give me a funny interpretation about "the man" being noah himself, the last shot of the
"ark" you told me about earlier, could somewhat be interpreted as indication that the world itself is a post-flood world.
Maybe his loss of faith in his own personal life is the explanation for this...
Not sure what anime your watching now adays but it still holds up very well compared to the stuff coming out today even know it came out in the 80s (db 86 and dbz 89).
Dragon ball animation by animator
DBZ-Shimanuki Mashiro
db/z-Ide Takeo
DB- Takeuchi Tomekichi
Db z
You are comparing [very long running] TV anime to movies. Not a valid comparison.
You have to be joking. You are comparing multimillion dollar budget movies to a television show.
Finaika
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Movies have better animation.
Why don't you compare it to disney's lion king while your at it.
Not fair comparing big buget movies to tv shows.
gatotsu911
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Baccano itself isn't loldeep, but people who compare it to Tarantino usually fall into that category.
GraveHorizon
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Here's a controversial opinion: They should take fanservice out of all anime. Keep that stuff on the internet where it belongs, or at least don't be so obvious about it. Is it possible to have a strong female character beat some ass without showing 5 panty shots to compensate?
Also, female/female fights. I want a girl to beat a man, no tricks or team-ups necessary.
I know it is, just make it more frequent.
[Tenshi no Tamago]
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For what it's worth, according to the book,
they used to be words ("beasts became stone, people became memories, words became fishes")
That only makes it more complicated.
Started watching Cowboy Bebop and it's quickly falling into the category of overrated animes like some some people here already told me.
Given that I'm only in episode seven but I have hard time continuing from here since I pretty much have liked only one episode and that was Ballad of Fallen Angels. That was followed by Sympathy for the Devil and Heavy Metal Queen, both were just terrible.
edit. I have to say the world and the characters are rather awesome but the stories have been just awful. Samurai Champloo is waaaaaay better.
Given that I'm only in episode seven but I have hard time continuing from here since I pretty much have liked only one episode and that was Ballad of Fallen Angels. That was followed by Sympathy for the Devil and Heavy Metal Queen, both were just terrible.
edit. I have to say the world and the characters are rather awesome but the stories have been just awful. Samurai Champloo is waaaaaay better.
Its more than that though, its the quality of the key frames. I was just watching deno coil. that is a show, it has really nice animation. Why cant we have that?
Most shows aren't directed by famed key animators.
In one episode goku has golden hair and the next episode his hair is white, or his hair is like 2 feet tall in one episode and the next episode is like 6 feet tall. The animations completely change from one episode to the next and is not consistent. I wouldn't mind if the change were from one saga to the next, but at least try to stay on track from one episode to another. It has even happened in the same episode. We also see a difference in muscle mass, weight, height, colors, hair, etc.
How do you go from this
to this
to this
and finally
Edit: Forgive me if I'm not allowed to post pictures, I'm still confused as to what post is allowed, what sizes, what sites, etc.
Maleficence
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I'm having difficulty finding any major differences in those shots tbh.
That's the nostalgia blinding you, it was like that for me, and its like that for a lot of people I know. So you're saying you don't notice the extreme differences in his hair? not even the color? So do you think DBZ has an excellent storyline?
Edit: It's probably me I guess. After watching so many different anime series, I guess the newer animations spoiled me. The animation may not be an issue for everyone but the story? come on...that can't be excused, not even because it was an 80's anime.
The first three pics are very similar and the 3rd pic was made high-contrast/high-brightness by whoever uploaded it. What are the differences, again?
The last picture definitely has a color difference.
My controversial opinion is .. wait for it .. despite loving anime for a while I now find almost all anime to be insufferable. Bad stories, poor melodrama, bad character designs, bad character archetypes, and overtly creepy tendencies
Because of his unique "full limited" animation style...
... and because it took more than a decade to make.Wiki said:
That's not really controversial except the part of not having female/female fights doesn't make much sense. The other thing is that there are many counter-examples to your descriptions. So it's really generalizing.
Phoenician_Viking
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Ahahahahahaha.
All this talk about the OVA made me look for that book I bought 10+ years ago. I'll probably try and read it again, my memories are fuzzy at best...
It's simply referred to as "the Sun" (and of course it rises from the ocean and releases steam, why wouldn't it?). As for the statues (?), they appear to be "unknown/unfamiliar gods", as far as the boy is concerned (the girl being the one exception, of course).
The final battle in the Gundam 00 movie is pretty awesome. And the music is great: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUvhbQSSSxg
bengraven
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(pssst, Miramax IS Disney. [was Disney, the Mouse owned Miramax from 1993 - 2010]. Mononoke was originally released through their Miramax label instead of Disney, like the future releases would be...likely because a) it was sent to theaters instead of direct to dvd or 2) Disney was not happy with the violence and Myasaki refused to let them edit it)
{edit: nvm, looks like the deal between Ghibli and Disney wasn't in affect when Mononoke was released - that would be 2003. Disney's Miramax did distribute Mononoke, however}
also, it's pretty tolerable
KO Traveling Hobo
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Shows that revolve around fanservice aren't my cup of tea, but I think it can be great when it's fit into an already good show. Not all shows should have fanservice, mind you, but I find that most will benefit from it. It's an easy way to get the viewer invested in the characters.
If nothing else, it can be unintentionally amusing in a "Wow. Really, Japan?" kind of way.
Sounds like a Nise review.
Oshii Mamoru did.
It did show up in a few theaters on December 22, 1985, but that was one week after the actual (video) release. Looks like Wikipedia got that one wrong.
Hey, he did write a few novels, you know!
Not that I'd call this one a "novel": it's more like a 150-page picture book. Double-page spreads of Amano artwork with narration from Oshii (about a couple of paragraphs per double-page spread or so?) that go over the story of the OVA (although it abruptly cuts
from the boy breaking the egg to the last scene of him watching the Sun rise: we don't see the girl waking up, chasing the guy, or anything like that
EDIT: I just noticed the book was released two weeks before the OVA, actually.
There's some material out there (I should really try and get my hands on this, this and this, one of these days), but on top of it being... well, what it is, there have been some issues surrounding the rights for many years, and I bet that contributed to the title quickly becoming unobtainable via proper channels / rather obscure...Not like there's an abundance of information around generally.
ANOTHER EDIT: I just found a picture of an obi from back then, advertising Tenshi no Tamago as an "Original Video":
12 800 yen, damn!
(it also lists a few theaters)
For a weekly cel-animated show like DBZ in the 80s, different teams worked on different episodes. This was the only way to keep the show coming with older production methods. Usually the A team would do the important ones, but if you watch DBZ episode to episode you'll notice an A team/B team pattern.
The inconsistencies in animation quality and art style are most likely a result of this.
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Dragon Ball Z is a pretty poor anime by today's standards, but you can't deny the quality of Toriyama's art and ideas. The anime is only based on Toriyama's work, if you want his definitive version of events than head on down to your local bookstore.
Anime and manga owe a lot to Toriyama. Show the man some respect.
VHS! VHS! VHS!
This one actually spells it out: "Original Video Animation". Take that, Wikipedia! *cough*
From what I remember, it was... Er... Yeah. Not sure why that was made...
(as for "how it came to be made", it seems it has something to do with those right issues I mentioned above ^^;; )
I imagine at least some progress has been made since then, seeing how it was (eventually) re-released on DVD in 2001, but...?
This one actually spells it out: "Original Video Animation". Take that, Wikipedia! *cough*
His first actual novel was a novelization of the second Patlabor movie, back in 1994 (I believe he came up with a bunch of extra stuff, compared to the movie plot).
Yup.
The sunrise is there, but we don't see the boy (the text actually calls him a "boy") until the girl meets him, in the book.
I imagine you can still find those on Japanese auction sites. They're out of print, but most of them were re-issued in 2004, so it shouldn't be that hard/expensive. I think.
Oh, man. I saw that one, like, 15 years ago or so...
From what I remember, it was... Er... Yeah. Not sure why that was made...
(as for "how it came to be made", it seems it has something to do with those right issues I mentioned above ^^;; )
I really don't know all that much... From what I understand, Roger Corman acquired the rights after a screw-up by Tokuma Shoten's Ogata Hideo, and the title then kept going from hand to hand until nobody quite knew what was going on anymore. Apparently, even in Japan, the situation was quite confusing, as the thing actually aired on TV without the original creators being compensated in any way.
I imagine at least some progress has been made since then, seeing how it was (eventually) re-released on DVD in 2001, but...?
Shh! Let's not ruin my image as a crazed Lost hater whose entire life revolves around finding flaws in the show!
Yep, it's one of those books I linked to above:
For the record, this:
... is another picture book, this time about the girl's everyday life prior to the events of the OVA. Unlike that other picture book I mentioned above, it seems this one wasn't written by Oshii, but rather by Araki Ritsuko (a.k.a. Shiraki Ruta).
And this:
... is pretty much what you'd expect based on the title.
Also, I said above that most of those four books were re-issued in 2004, but I just double-checked, it looks like they all were, actually. Huh! Should definitely make it easier to chase them down...
Crash Station
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As a vehicle for awesome fights to happen, yes I do think it has a good storyline. Prior to the Buu saga, events unfold in a natural way that for the most part does not contradict the rules Toriyama had established. Yes, there is the giant plot hole of EVERYONE forgetting about the Saiyan invasion by the time Cell came around, other than that I would say it's pretty competent.
You can't back out now!
Jex
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To be fair, it's all the fault of shounen jump editors who probably demand such character designs. Then again, it's also the fault of the newcomer for not doing any research.This is hardly indicative of most anime. I recommend going through that one thread; or, I could probably recommend stuff myself.
This is why long running shounen shows are bad. Not only are they low quality, but they mislead newcomers into thinking every anime is as ugly as their series is.
Crash Station
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Kubo's designs are great though. The dude has a real sense of fashion.
It's just a shame he didn't have a real sense of storytelling =/
His Bleach artbook is one of my favorite though, even if the manga dropped off a cliff.
I know you were kidding but that made me wonder, don't the fights really last like 10 minutes in their universe? lol
Dragonball Z has no story at all, there is literally no goal in the story. Baddies arrive, you magically get more powerful, and defeat them. Other than the Saiyans and Piccolo, character development halted and the rest of the "Z" fighters became useless, to the point that Tien and Chiaotsu completely disappeared from the series, with one shot shown when Goku is transforming to SJJ3.
Power levels make absolutely no sense. Majin Buu is suppose to be the most powerful of all Buus, yet Kid Buu is shown as the most powerful. Vegeta had the power to destroy planets prior to the Saiyan Saga and their transformations are said to crumble the Earth, yet nothing happens afterwards. Gohan kills an extra cell Jr. that was never created. Only two people are allowed int he hyperbolic time chamber, yet goten, trunks, piccolo and buu go in.
You can see how Dragonball is made directly out of a Chinese legend and on Z it completely changes, like a different universe altogether.
The only one that actually has a story is the original Dragonball, to an extent, and that's only because it's based on Journey to the west.
Crash Station
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Super Buu is more powerful than Kid Buu, but the latter is more ruthless and doesn't give a shit about his surroundings since the good personality disappeared from his body.
And I'm pretty sure the hyperbolic time chamber rule was a corruption from the anime that was never established in the manga. Can't blame Toriyama for that.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=460614&highlight=cwarrior&page=35
Mahonay complaint was anime hair and anime eyes which he used ichigo from bleach as an example and pointed out stuff like that key anime and spice & wolf for having it, by anime hair/eyes I think he means non realistic hair or eyes which isn’t exclusive to shounen.
Say what will about his storys, kubo got style when it comes to his character and clothing design.
I think I might get the box version too, the reprint is still going to cost a lot with shipping. Might as well go all the way.
are you seriously trying to excuse it by saying that the quality of their artists is simply inferior? I wont argue the point, but thats a pretty weak defense.
Also: fanservice is really sad. How would people react if you put the kind of panty / tit shots into a random respected TV show? Its just stupid. If I want tits I have google.
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