Mark Rein: "I'd be shocked if Wii U doesn't do well." UE3 better than Zelda Demo.

Clairvoyance said:
I think it means Nintendo is going third party. Obviously. I mean, what else could it be?
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Or that UE4 is being shown on unannounced hardware. It's not really a stretch to surmise that.

It really makes little sense for Epic to be under NDA against showing their own engine running on announced hardware.
 
shinra-bansho said:
Or that UE4 is being shown on unannounced hardware. It's not really a stretch to surmise that.

It really makes little sense for Epic to be under NDA against showing their own engine running on announced hardware.
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They could have showed it on the PC then.
But they couldn't even do that...
 
DarkChild said:
Mark is currently pushing Sony and MS hard to go crazy on hardware which shows he probably thinks they are not there yet. I doubt Nintendo console will run it.
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So why would Sony and MS be the one calling the shot on the NDA, if their hardware can't run it yet? I'd see more Nintendo calling the shot on this, they want to surprise people, "wow" people, then reveal it runs an engine like UE4 at the place where it will do the bigger bang, E3.

But of course, Nintendo is ALWAYS the weakest. (Even though they were only ONE generation.)
 
shinra-bansho said:
Or that UE4 is being shown on unannounced hardware. It's not really a stretch to surmise that.

It really makes little sense for Epic to be under NDA against showing their own engine running on announced hardware.
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That's like saying Microsoft and Sony shouldn't say anything about their next consoles right now because they're working on them.
 
Actually, we've gotten leaks saying that new dev kits were more powerful than previous ones and pushed to run UE4.
But hey, it's Nintendo right?
Always the weakest hardware, right?
Well, ok. Just for that one generation.
But once is a trend, right?!
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The -trend- is that Nintendo have moved to push hardware at a profit, with tech prices generally going up Nintendo have (justifiedly so) chosen not to fight to get to a certain tech level and avoid the usual razor/blade model that Sony/MS go for (though force into a period of it with 3DS).

Iwata's Pre-Wii TGS keynote DOCUMENTS that Nintendo believed that the industry could not persist with a spec war. If it's not a trend, it's certainly the companies strategy and the DS, 3DS, Wii, and Wii U will be testiment to this.

I don't see what the problem is - Wii U will have the biggest delta between the current platform performance and the next gen platforms performance. Whilst that is going to <mystery random % or X factor here> better than X360/PS3 it will inevitably end up being weaker than X720/PS4 - but the perceived improvement, platform to platform, is going to be astonishingly large for Nintendo fans.

Again - i think when Nintendo fans get on the #rolleyeweakesthardware horse, they're missing the point.
 
Question, I didn't see anywhere there where Mark said it won't run UE4, and mostly just him saying they can use UE3 to make a better looking graphics than the Zelda demo. Where is everyone getting that?
 
BY2K, I appreciate the thought, but you know that any good/interesting WiiU news will always be spun this way. Best to keep this stuff in the speculation thread until E3.
 
AceBandage said:
They could have showed it on the PC then.
But they couldn't even do that...
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That's true and fair point. The story (through that link), however, really does imply that the closed doors reveal is being NDA'd by a platform reveal not just a platform re-announcement.

Thoraxes said:
That's like saying Microsoft and Sony shouldn't say anything about their next consoles right now because they're working on them.
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Not sure what you mean?

The platform holders aren't really saying anything about their next consoles.
 
tkscz said:
Question, I didn't see anywhere there where Mark said it won't run UE4, and mostly just him saying they can use UE3 to make a better looking graphics than the Zelda demo. Where is everyone getting that?
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didn't you get the memo?
nintendo is doomed!

i really can't wait for E3 to see the end of all these talks V_V
 
Vulcano's assistant said:
Probably at this point, Epic isn't showing UE4 in anything but a pair of Keplers.
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Singular Kepler:

Vox Games said:
Unreal Engine 4 demo runs on Nvidia's Kepler
By Chris Plante on March 8, 2012 07:23 pm

Last year Epic Games showed the next-generation "Samaritan" demo, which used a litany of new technologies to create one of the most impressive graphics presentations to date. At that time, Samaritan ran on three high-end Nvidia graphic cards and a power source the size of a cinder block. Today, Epic Games is able to run Samaritan on a single card, the Nvidia Kepler hardware, which powers their new line of GPUs. But that's not all they can get the Kepler to do.

"That board we ran the Samaritan demo on is the same board we're running the Unreal Engine 4 demos on," Epic Games vice president Mark Rein told Vox Games, referring to a demo of the company's next engine, shown behind closed doors at the GDC and accompanied by a severe non-disclosure agreement.

This means Unreal Engine 4 is running on hardware that will be available to the public very soon.

When asked if that meant Unreal Engine 4 was designed for the next-generation of consoles, Rein said, "It just means, that next big leap in gaming technology, Unreal Engine 4 will power that. We expect that to be consoles, but Nvidia is making PCs do it. Sooner or later, it could be pads doing it. We're not being snobby saying it should be this or that."

Rein clarified that Unreal Engine 3 won't disappear when developers begin using Unreal Engine 4. In fact, Samaritan isn't even hitting the limit of UE3.

"We can get so more out of that card than what you saw in Samaritan," said Rein.
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Source: http://www.theverge.com/gaming/2012/3/8/2855732/unreal-engine-4-demo-runs-on-nvidias-kepler

Edit:

Actually, I should keep the Mark Rein thread meme going.
 
nickcv said:
didn't you get the memo?
nintendo is doomed!

i really can't wait for E3 to see the end of all these talks V_V
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Just the beginning, E3 is.

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Begun, the new console wars have.
 
tkscz said:
Question, I didn't see anywhere there where Mark said it won't run UE4, and mostly just him saying they can use UE3 to make a better looking graphics than the Zelda demo. Where is everyone getting that?
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Because Wii U = Nintendo.

Nothing else. :p


*****

If there are agreements of some sort involved, they can't talk about any thing.

Even on stuff that is openly known, third-parties can't talk. Recently, the team behind Skylanders was talking about NFC support, something that Nintendo announced and talked about and many thought of Skylanders as an example..,Toys for Bob said that aside been experimenting with it they can't talk or say anything else because of NDA.

Yet, somehow some expect Mark Rein to announce that Wii U runs UE4; on some random interview after GDC, before E3.
 
Poimandres said:
There are people desperate for every console to be a failure, or a success. It's nothing new, and I don't think there's some sort of huge Wii U hate train going on.
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Why would I be described as someone wanting failure if I doubt Wii U is going to run UE4? Its as if you are not on hype train, you hate.
 
Orayn said:
Just the beginning, E3 is.

Begun, the new console wars have.
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Next gen really scares me. I really hope no one drops out. This gen you could decent mileage out of any console. Hoping the same stay the same for the next gen and the companies don't bleed money all round and are forced to the anti-consumers practices that prevailed this gen.
 
So wake up Nintendo fans to the sweet smell of reality :)

Love how Rein casually throws "UE3" right there. Goes to show at what level the hardware is.
 
The statement :

When asked if that meant Unreal Engine 4 was designed for the next-generation of consoles, Rein said, "It just means, that next big leap in gaming technology, Unreal Engine 4 will power that. We expect that to be consoles, but Nvidia is making PCs do it. Sooner or later, it could be pads doing it. We're not being snobby saying it should be this or that."
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coupled with the fact it was running on a single Nvidia Kepler suggests that for Samaritan+ level effects then you're not going to see UE4 on Wii U pull the same thing off. However, given UE is in the business of selling to whatever platform it can, i'd assume it will be highly scalable and i see a future argument where UE4 "running on the WiiU" is incorrectly interpreted :/
 
Refreshment.01 said:
So wake up Nintendo fans to the sweet smell of reality :)

Love how Rein casually throws "UE3" right there. Goes to show at what level the hardware is.
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It would be unwise to ignore other statements from Epic about how UE3 would still be running on everything under the sun, presumably including the next Xbox and Playstation as well.
 
liger05 said:
are you shocked. I honestly think there are people on here hurt that Nintendo managed to turn the 3DS around.
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'Simply the most desirable handheld yet released!'

But, with Kid Icarus, Animal Crossing, Dragon Quest, 2D Mario, Luigi's Mansion, Etrian Odyssey 4, Friend Collection, Monster Hunter 4, Paper Mario, Brain Training, Fire Emblem, Mario Tennis Open, Bravely Default, and Professor Layton vs Ace Attorney schedueled to launch within the next 12 months - I don't think the 3DS has even hit its stride yet.

Heavy said:
This goes both ways.
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Well, we know it's more powerful than last gen systems, so that's not desperation. But there are certainly some people desperate for it to be a success.
 
DCharlie said:
The statement :



coupled with the fact it was running on a single Nvidia Kepler suggests that for Samaritan+ level effects then you're not going to see UE4 on Wii U pull the same thing off. However, given UE is in the business of selling to whatever platform it can, i'd assume it will be highly scalable and i see a future argument where UE4 "running on the WiiU" is incorrectly interpreted :/
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Here's their other statement on Unreal Engine 4:

Kotaku said:
The state of things is represented by Epic Games' 2012 version of their show-off session. Every year at GDC, the company's top marketing guy Mark Rein shows a roomful of reporters Epic's latest Unreal graphics tech and talks about how wonderful a toolset it is for game developers big and small to use to make attractive games. But this year, Rein wouldn't show us Epic's best tech. The company's demonstration for Epic's Unreal Engine 4 was for non-press—just for life-signing-away game makers. UE4 is meant to help make games for gaming consoles none of us owns today. Shielded from that, the press got to see another iteration of last year's dazzling "Samaritan" demo for Unreal Engine 3, a better-looking-than-anything-we-have-now Blade-Runner-style sequence that both shows where Epic thinks next-gen gaming should go but is capable of running on today's engine. The point, Rein explained to me, is that, if you were making a game for next-gen systems that you'd also want running on current systems, you would still go with UE3 and try for Samaritan-level sizzle in the next-gen versions of the game. But if you were going purely next-gen, you'd go with UE4. But forget the gens, because Rein was up there showing Unreal Tournament III running in Flash in a web browser, a la Farmville. And he's saying Epic wants to get Samaritan running in that. Somehow. And that is where gaming is going.
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Source: http://kotaku.com/5891609/gdc-notebook-day-3-the-death-of-consoles-andor-their-rebirth
 
AceBandage said:
Oh?
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A somewhat negative thread? I could find one (or several) for every console.

Someone said something to the effect of "if you're not hyping, you're hating". Is there no middle ground?

The "I can't wait for everyone to eat crow at the amazing" comments are almost as bad as the "super under powered kiddy console" ones. Almost.
 
2San said:
Samaritan is running on "UE3" though.
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So?

Cryengine 3 will be available in WiiU and has all, if not more, of the features of the Samaritan demo. Samaritan gets too much hype for what it is a simple demo. We have seen lots of impresive demos in a lot of consoles in the past, Samaritan is not some kind of eye opener.

I made my preview post because some guys were expecting crazy things like, the next Xbox and WiiU to be close in terms of procesing.

Not ill fate or hate towards the WiiU from this hunble servant i might add.
 
Orayn said:
It would be unwise to ignore other statements from Epic about how UE3 would still be running on everything under the sun, presumably including the next Xbox and Playstation as well.
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Budget segment of proyects for those 2 consoles. AAA block buster studios running UE4, Epic has to eat after all.
brochiller said:
Wake up to Mark Rein praising the Wii U? Sounds like a nice reality to me.
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Yea, that praise and all the awesome games will have with UE3 levels of technology. Xbox360 and PS3 up ports will look beautiful in the tablet screen brochiller.
 
1-D_FTW said:
I can see why some of these ports were announced when people thought early/mid 2012 was a possibility, but who is seriously going to buy Batman with a November 2012 launch? Are there really that many Nintendo only gamers who don't own PS3/360/PC?
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That's a weird way to look at it since a lot of consoles are launched with mostly ports...
 
DCharlie said:
coupled with the fact it was running on a single Nvidia Kepler suggests that for Samaritan+ level effects then you're not going to see UE4 on Wii U pull the same thing off. However, given UE is in the business of selling to whatever platform it can, i'd assume it will be highly scalable and i see a future argument where UE4 "running on the WiiU" is incorrectly interpreted :/
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And the bolded part its pretty much it. Like i have been saying countless times it's not if UE4 will be runing in the WiiU, that's just a matter of if "its financially sound for Epic" because they are even considering mobiles and flash platforms. The important thing is, if a full featured UE4 will be running on the WiiU and it looks like it won't.

But that's a hard pill to swallow to some group and i just don't fucking know why :)
CrunchyFrog said:
because you know the final specs of the hardware and it's competitors and all.
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or because some people read between lines and dare to apply some common sense and reached the conclusion that it will be considerably less powerful than the competitor's next offerings. Or looking it from the other side an incremental update to the existing consoles and not a typical generational leap.
 
Shielded from that, the press got to see another iteration of last year's dazzling "Samaritan" demo for Unreal Engine 3, a better-looking-than-anything-we-have-now Blade-Runner-style sequence that both shows where Epic thinks next-gen gaming should go but is capable of running on today's engine. The point, Rein explained to me, is that, if you were making a game for next-gen systems that you'd also want running on current systems, you would still go with UE3 and try for Samaritan-level sizzle in the next-gen versions of the game. But if you were going purely next-gen, you'd go with UE4
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it's capable of running on today's engine but it's still going to need a certain level of hardware right? UE3 isn't suddenly going to bring something new - though obviously the Wii U / PC users not ready to buy Keplers would be the biggest benefiaries. Assuming that with enough horse power you can take an approximated stab at some of the effects.

Interesting ! thanks for the link
 
Derrick01 said:
It certainly seems to be like a slightly upgraded current gen console at this rate. I'm intrigued at just how much can be squeezed out of this thing.
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Even if it is more powerful than the current gen it will take developers some years to actually make good use of that performance. If launch titles would look any different that PS360 I'd be shocked. 4th generation 360 title vs. 1st generation Wii U title is at best gonna be a stalemate.
 
UE3 DX11 version, that is Samaritan thing, looks great. Really great. Better than anything out there. So...why make next generation engine that makes it look like crap? I don't think Epic would make engine that puts Samaritan to shame if they won't be able to make money on it. And since they know that most of the money is where the consoles are they probably know next generation systems will run it. Will Wii U be able? Thats what I doubt, but remains to be seen.
 
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