Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE

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PsychoWARD23 said:
I said the same thing


they called me crazy, IT WAS A HALLUCINATION
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Well they showed that scene for a reason. So you can rest assured you weren't crazy nor was anyone else. That was Shepard breathing...on earth.

Sadly there are only 2 choices. Hopelessly inept ending or not a real ending.
 
Kai Leng is nearly a carbon copy of MGS4 Raiden. SO much of this game was "borrowed" from Metal Gear. It's unfortunate that few of them are the good parts - though the transition from cinema to gameplay (camera relocates to 3rd person view and gameplay starts) was a good steal.
 
Karak said:
Well they showed that scene for a reason. So you can rest assured you weren't crazy. That was Shepard breathing...on earth.
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Unless Bioware were SO LAZY and decided to use the Earth rubble models when it's supposed to be the Crucible part of the Citadel all ruined.
 
Riposte said:
I digged Kai Lang. Liked him in the first novel he appeared in too. Nothing wrong with space ninjas in my book and I like a villain with a presence, much like Saren was.
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Ashley or Kaiden stalking you throughout the game, constantly reminding you of the inevitable cycle: now that would have been a presence. And removes the stupid kid.

Random overpowered space ninja that is clear jRPG 'muahahaha' villain material? No.
 
Just blew my mind. Bioware screwed up the endings so badly that part of the fanbase is thinking that it was a dream or a hallucination.

How messed is that?
 
Zomba13 said:
Unless Bioware were SO LAZY and decided to use the Earth rubble models when it's supposed to be the Crucible part of the Citadel all ruined.
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But again...Shepard breathing...which to me is the important part. Unlike others I will admit to my complete selflessness. I wanted Shepard to win the day. After all that I wanted him to fucking win. I wanted success and standing tall. I wanted future games with him to continue what has been, up until now some of the best moments I have ever played.

I got Magic Child and Planet Badwriting.

EDIT: Also as shown in the 1 utube it looks like buildings in the background.
 
DTKT said:
Just blew my mind. Bioware screwed up the endings so badly that part of the fanbase is thinking that it was a dream or a hallucination.

How messed is that?
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Well he does take a breath on Earth.


BW screwed up, and might start saying it's a hallucination to cover it all up. I can see it.
 
Derrick01 said:
But that's the thing they thought it was over at that point. This was before Hackett said the crucible wasn't working so they thought it was finally over and they sat down to rest. They were talking about what they were going to do now that it's over.
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I don't know, it seemed kind of jarring to have someone think about the concept of having children and settling down, while so much death, destruction just happened. Plus Shepard and Anderson are both exhausted, injured, near-death, etc. It just wouldn't be believable to have two characters rattle on about stuff like that. What we got instead was a more concise and believable (imo) delivery of the same emotional pay-off we would have had with the cut version.

firehawk12 said:
It makes the characters human beings instead of video game characters who have zero personality.
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You are misunderstanding me. I'm basically referring to applying the concept of Ockham's razor when trying to get the point across in a narrative context. Like mentioned above, the extra information on Shepard and Anderson's desires in the conclusion of something as horrible and tragic as what they have experienced would go against the context they are in. Therefore, removing all the unnecessary filler (e.g. talk of settling down) seemed appropriate to me.

Zeitgeister said:
My guess is that the story of the game was too complex, and media executives tend to dislike complexity. Dumbing things down in favor of the lower denominator is not uncommon within the media branches.

Securing the possibility sequel might also sit well with shareholders.

A technical, or game design aspect though, is that the story needs to make sense for everyone, including people who didn't bother to follow the story or who went straight for the ending. This ending does secure that demand, which may have prompted the move to use it instead of a more complex, and thereby too difficult ending for 'most players'.
That is an assumption and there is no way around the fact that it trivializes the invested players experience. But it does make the choose a bit less "let's troll them".

Time and resource restrains are also factors, as the game was delayed for a reason, Deception was an unedited POS, and the former main writer(s) left Bioware.
So I imagine not everyone was too pleased with it, but there are only so many possible designs that solve a range of problems. (the narrative problem is one, but also gameplay, difficulty, and so on).


Still: any attempt to understand why the endings are there will assume rationality of some kind. It is however wise to assume that this is not true, and that the actual reasons will remain unknown until Bioware employees start describing the design process in detail.
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Good and informative post. I am looking forward to how Bioware or EA will publicly handle this unanimous opinion on the shittiness of the ending. If not, then I hope some details or info get leaked.
 
Patryn said:
Except that Bioware just managed to blow up two of the most iconic elements of the franchise in the Citadel and the Mass Relays. I don't see how that benefits future sequels.
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... you guys heard about this indoctrination thing yet? I hear it's all the rage, man.

not pretending to know shit here, just giving speculations. I'm sure there will be one hell of a post-mortem someday.
 
Zomba13 said:
Unless Bioware were SO LAZY and decided to use the Earth rubble models when it's supposed to be the Crucible part of the Citadel all ruined.
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Next thing you're going to tell me is that they've photoshopped a stock photo to make Tali's face or that they copied a desktop image from 2009 to do the post ending sequence.
 
Zeitgeister said:
Ashley or Kaiden stalking you throughout the game, constantly reminding you of the inevitable cycle: now that would have been a presence. And removes the stupid kid.

Random overpowered space ninja that is clear jRPG 'muahahaha' villain material? No.
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You added a lot of words to "space ninja" that weren't really necessary. lol throwing around "JRPG".
 
Vamphuntr said:
Next thing you're going to tell me is that they've photoshopped a stock photo to make Tali's face or that they copied a desktop image from 2009 to do the post ending sequence.
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Even if you say it's a matter of laziness. It doesn't make any sense as to why he would be in a pile of rubble from the Citadel.

The Citadel was in SPAAAAAAAAAACE. /Portal 2
 
Vire said:
Even if you say it's a matter of laziness. It doesn't make any sense as to why he would be in a pile of rubble from the Citadel.

The Citadel was in SPAAAAAAAAAACE. /Portal 2
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Space debris fall on to Earth every day and night, why can't Shep?
 
PsychoWARD23 said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99kS02nPoEM
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hateradio said:
Space debris fall on to Earth every day and night, why can't Shep?
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You are really trying to tell me Shepard would survive:

First an explosion.

Second falling from outer space onto Earth while he's unconscious?

Hint: He would be burnt to a crisp and dead.
 
Wasn't it true that the Geth were originally going to rebuild Shepard in ME2? Would make more sense with this all things considered.
 
Vire said:
Even if you say it's a matter of laziness. It doesn't make any sense as to why he would be in a pile of rubble from the Citadel.

The Citadel was in SPAAAAAAAAAACE. /Portal 2
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It doesn't make much sense how you still had a corpse after being spaced out in ME2 either. Especially after entering a planet's atmosphere and crashing on it. Was ME2 a dream all along too?

It's probably only a part of the citadel that blew up and not the whole thing so the artificial gravity and atmosphere system still worked? When you fight Saren in ME1 there are concrete debris that fall on Shepard too and all of the systems of the Citadel were down. You still breath and there's gravity in some of the areas.
 
Vire said:
You are really trying to tell me Shepard would survive:

First an explosion.

Second falling from outer space onto Earth while he's unconscious?

Hint: He would be burnt to a crisp and dead.
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well, he didn't wear a helmet in spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaace

and he walked in to a beam to make leaves robots


It could happen.
 
Vire said:
You are really trying to tell me Shepard would survive:

First an explosion.

Second falling from outer space onto Earth while he's unconscious?

Hint: He would be burnt to a crisp and dead.
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Yup. He didn't survive the first time (also then he at least had a fucking helmet to keep his head mostly intact. As explained in a vid on the cerb base)

EDIT: OH SHIT! What if, the 'breathing' is actually Shep getting downloaded into Legion! Like, he does die, but when he dies, thanks to his implants he goes into legion. And because this happens after Synthetic life is dead (and because Legion was dead before this happens) it works. And now Shep is a Geth. And we can have the adventures of flashlight face Shepard.
 
Riposte said:
Wasn't it true that the Geth were originally going to rebuild Shepard in ME2? Would make more sense with this all things considered.
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Not as far as I know. I do know that there was supposed to be a section between the Normandy blowing up and Shepard waking up where you played as Liara recovering the body, and that Legion was supposed to be stalking you through the entire game, but not that.
 
Sephard... is a GOD. Thats the only reasonable explanation. Abilities of Archilies in Battle, he alone can take out an entire army. He can survive an massive explosion, he can survive being in space with no air. He can survive crashing into earth at terminal velocity. He must be a GOD.
 
All I needed was the opening piano notes in that video to start laughing out loud. Oh god.

The "indoctrination" theory is eerily reminiscent of the internet fanboy obsession over the Rinoa => Ultimecia theory for Final Fantasy VIII. Painstaking effort at tying threads together that are barely present in the canonical narrative, sometimes inventing things entirely, invoking immense leaps of faith and assumptions, to provide an utterly mind blowing and brilliant explanation for the seemingly pitiful ending.

Both, of course, are essentially a real extreme version of Step 1. Denial.
 
Rebel Leader said:
What the fuck is it? I'm on a phone and I can't watch it
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ME3 credits with Linkin Park lyrics. In the end, I think.

Switching topics, why do none of the adults in the hammer taking away civilians right before the normandy leaves try to help the "kid" onto the ship? He's totally ignored by other civilians.

ALIEN INDOCTRINATION
 
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