Wii U Speculation Thread The Third: Casting Dreams in The Castle of Miyamoto

IdeaMan said:
By the way, these last pages are frightening, just calm down please..
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I dunno.. I kinda think they were funny, in a shake-my-head, "really..? really?" kind of way.

Think of it as a sneak-preview of the festivities to come around E3 - but imagine many more folks popping out of the woodwork, all spouting the same talking points, almost as though they had just received their morning memo all at the same time. :)
 
ozfunghi said:
Has this been posted?



http://www.gamereactor.se/nyheter/43021/GRTV:+Darksiders+II-intervju/

- launch title
- have no release date from Nintendo
- "on par" with current gen
- not doing anyrhing on wiiu to get higher polycount, better res or textures, but want to make use of controller
- got it running quickly on wiiu
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If true, that's pretty lame on their part but I guess minimal effort equals minimal cost. This is always a risk when it comes to multiplat; there's not much impetus on devs to use special features of a console just to please us. Why bother to please the Wii U crowd more than the P60 crowd?

HylianTom said:
THANK YOU.

The thing is, I truly do think that we're going to see this behaviour among "journalists."

And then developers/publishers are going to engage in this same thought process. I already have a certain lack of esteem for many of these.. persons, but the idea of some vapid prick looking at a specs sheet or side-by-side speculative bullshots, saying, "Hmm.. the leaves on System 1 aren't nice enough to meet our artistic vision. And look at the cross section of that twig.. I don't see xylem and phloem individually.. it looks like it's all cellulose - hideous. System 1 is a no-go."

Suffice to say, I tend to think that most power-based arguments aren't going to look good when held-up to scrutiny. We've all seen the bird demo, the Zelda demo.. the idea that a game isn't scalable would reek of bullshit.
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I agree. Journalists this gen just pissed on the Wii and essentially ignored it unless they really had to talk about it (Skyward Sword for instance). Terms like waggle became commonplace and it was just conspicuous in its absence from discusssions compared to the other consoles. Nintendo themselves were derided and laughed at and it feels like in one generation Nintendo became lepers. It could be just that I started following the scene more this generation that I noticed it, but the hate was pretty obvious.

Next gen will be no different if Wii U is noticeably less powerful than the others. Basically graphics equals awesomeness equals true gaming and the 360 (PS3 too but to a lesser extent) seems to have stolen the heart of gamers and journalists this time around.

Add in the tablet, which we all know isnt a tablet but a touch controller, and I guarantee it will be joked about and compared to iPads (unfavourably and with great disdain) for the next 5 years.
 
HylianTom said:
I dunno.. I kinda think they were funny, in a shake-my-head, "really..? really?" kind of way.

Think of it as a sneak-preview of the festivities to come around E3 - but imagine many more folks popping out of the woodwork, all spouting the same talking points, almost as though they had just received their morning memo all at the same time. :)
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Yeah i was like that when i read these last pages :p
 
Say if you wanted to play wii U in your bedroom could you unplug it from the tv (in living room) plug it in your bedroom without a tv and still play?
 
idwl said:
Say if you wanted to play wii U in your bedroom could you unplug it from the tv (in living room) plug it in your bedroom without a tv and still play?
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If you mean 'will the system work without a TV connected' then I believe yes, as Nintendo have said 'this feels like we are leaving our parents' home' or something, regarding how it is the first Nintendo home system where every part of the experience is a Nintendo product (no TV required).
 
Since it seems like it was very easy to port Darksiders II to the Wii U, any chance we get the original Darksiders as well? I would love it if they put them both out in a double pack for the Wii U at launch.
 
HylianTom said:
I dunno.. I kinda think they were funny, in a shake-my-head, "really..? really?" kind of way.

Think of it as a sneak-preview of the festivities to come around E3 - but imagine many more folks popping out of the woodwork, all spouting the same talking points, almost as though they had just received their morning memo all at the same time. :)
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I think that the important thing to remember is that when somebody posts a viewpoint that is seen as extreme, it is counterproductive to either (A) attack the person or (B) post a viewpoint that is equally extreme but in the opposite direction, unless you fully believe in that opposing viewpoint.



Also, I heard that the Wii U padlet will also have haptics on its back-touch area.

KIDDING! :D
 
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Disappointed to hear that Wii U is no more powerful than Xbox 360. I guess while the amount of RAM may be surprising, a full gig of it has been made unavailable to developers so that an entire library of Charles Martinet voice clips are in memory at all times.
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cyberheater said:
IdeaMan has stated his sources say that WiiU is on par with PS360 with the addition of more memory.
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IdeaMan said:
Seriously, how some gafers (i'm not talking about you but to the messages you're referring to) can still write "same power than Xbox360" after all the infos saying the contrary ? It's so difficult to read all the sentences of a message + take into consideration all the other data that points to a completely different situation ? Wii U =/= Xbox360, it's crystal clear, it's a fact, well, even better, it was a fact some months ago, so it can only get better. And i'm talking tech-wise but also even with the results on screens. Even for "just" third-parties ports.
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Shin Johnpv said:
Nothing Sony has said has gone against that, it's just fanboys making assumptions based on 1 console generation.
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=458527

I dunno, this seems to indicate that PS4 will offer a significant technological upgrade, especially if they are using "through-silicon-vias" in the RAM department (Hybrid Memory Cube?).

Bring it on, I say. I like that the consoles all offer something unique.
 
idwl said:
Say if you wanted to play wii U in your bedroom could you unplug it from the tv (in living room) plug it in your bedroom without a tv and still play?
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I would imagine so (basically what Rhod said). If not, then it would be a pretty big mistake by Nintendo (imo).
 
I can read perfectly well (English is not my second language) but there are times I need to read Ideamans posts three or four times before it starts to make sense. Allthough, I'm a bit lost now...
 
JoshuaJSlone said:
Disappointed to hear that Wii U is no more powerful than Xbox 360. I guess while the amount of RAM may be surprising, a full gig of it has been made unavailable to developers so that an entire library of Charles Martinet voice clips are in memory at all times.
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*bang my head on wall* we still getting this type of comments?
 
ozfunghi said:
Has this been posted?



http://www.gamereactor.se/nyheter/43021/GRTV:+Darksiders+II-intervju/

- launch title
- have no release date from Nintendo
- "on par" with current gen
- not doing anyrhing on wiiu to get higher polycount, better res or textures, but want to make use of controller
- got it running quickly on wiiu
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This is just a baton pass.
Several multi-plat games will not do much to differentiate themselves between different versions for various reasons including, I suspect, not to upset other console manufacturers.
Once WiiU has established itself, or when another console gets released, the games will start to look better than this gen.

Positive aspect of the article is the development time that is being put into the controller. For their next game, their learning curve or development on the controller will be much shorter.
 
JoshuaJSlone said:
Disappointed to hear that Wii U is no more powerful than Xbox 360. I guess while the amount of RAM may be surprising, a full gig of it has been made unavailable to developers so that an entire library of Charles Martinet voice clips are in memory at all times.
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I now want every single character in every game I play to go "wah, wah yahoooooo"


Fourth Storm said:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=458527
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...DAMNIT, SONY! Stop adding axes for each measuring took you're using! 3-axis accelerometer with a 3-axis gyroscope with a 3-axis magnetometer does not suddenly alter how space-time works!


Bring it on, I say. I like that the consoles all offer something unique.
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My worst nightmare* is that each generation will be exactly identical to the last with the sole differentiating factor of "more polygons and visual tricks". I swear, if there are any systems with a sixth-generation controller in the ninth generation, I will make a big sadface.



* hyperbole, just like all the stuff I tell people not to do in this thread!
 
jump_button said:
*bang my head on wall* we still getting this type of comments?
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Read his whole post. He was not making a serious statement.


edit: We need a list of people that we can put on a permanent snarkwatch page so we know that they alternate between incredibly useful and insightful statements to total (and totally obvious) joke posts without warning.
 
Glorified G said:
Except majority of PS/360 games DID render on 720p
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=46241
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A game to be truly in 720P, means everything, including textures, should also be in 720; just polygons being rendered in 720P doesn't cut it.


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What I am really concerned about, is that if it will have a strong library at the right price after launch to prevent me from getting a PS3/360 instead (I own a PC and Wii, no HD console; if it wasn't for Wii U, I would have already bought one last year)
 
Rhod said:
If you mean 'will the system work without a TV connected' then I believe yes, as Nintendo have said 'this feels like we are leaving our parents' home' or something, regarding how it is the first Nintendo home system where every part of the experience is a Nintendo product (no TV required).
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Awesome thank you :D
 
AzaK said:
I agree. Journalists this gen just pissed on the Wii and essentially ignored it unless they really had to talk about it (Skyward Sword for instance). Terms like waggle became commonplace and it was just conspicuous in its absence from discusssions compared to the other consoles. Nintendo themselves were derided and laughed at and it feels like in one generation Nintendo became lepers. It could be just that I started following the scene more this generation that I noticed it, but the hate was pretty obvious.
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Any semblance of professionalism that they had retained from the GameCube era went out the window as far as Wii/Nintendo coverage went. I've grown to largely loathe most gaming media outlets, to the point where I'll be celebrating if.. nevermind.. must.. restrain.. self..
 
jump_button said:
As thing are right now that how it is. looking like ps4 will be out of step next gen so at the start it will be wii U and Nextbox unless they change by next year
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"Wii U =Nextbox===> PS4"

I read this as "Wii U is as fast as Nextbox which is as fast as in most situations but faster in one scenario than the PS4"

edit: I think now that you must have meant "Wii will come out shortly before Nextbox, which will come out well before PS4; the equal signs and greater-than sign is a big time arrow". Is that actually the case? Because that's not very dumb at all.


....I now want an official "[AniHawk]" tag on gaf to be activated. Then we can put in a "srsbsns" bookmarklet that makes anything so encapsulated disappear for when we want to actually have real discussions.
 
People should just stop discussing the difference in horsepower between the WiiU, the Xbox 360 and PS3, as well as Sony's and Microsoft's upcoming consoles (which, by the way, are not even confirmed yet to be in development) and just think about this:

The WiiU is a Nintendo console with probably at least the horsepower of twice the Xbox 360.
You are going to play new iteration of game series' that already look awesome and astounding on the Wii (namely Mario, Zelda, Metroid).
You will be able to play these new games with even better graphics and in HD (at least 720p. 60 fps are pretty much guaranteed, because, well...we're talking about Nintendo here).

To quote a wise man from GAF (whose name I forgot):
"This tickles my mind vagina."

And WHOOOHOOHOO BOY, DOES IT TICKLE THAT VAGINA GOOD!

So please, just stop comparing a fancy, new Ferrari with a fancy, 5 to 7 year old Ferrari or even a concept art of a fancy Ferrari that leaked on the internet and is not confirmed to be in development.

(Ninja EDIT: Italics > SCREAMING CAPSLOCK)
 
Gravijah said:
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Excuse me for forgetting to write the word "probably".
I have edited it in.
I hope this satisfies you as much as it satisfies me.

Other than that: After all the rumors and other stuff we heard about the devkits alone, we can safely assume that the WiiU will be at least that powerful, don't you think?

EDIT (too lazy to make a new post): Even if the WiiU would only be as powerful as the 360, my point still stands.
 
Rhod said:
If you mean 'will the system work without a TV connected' then I believe yes, as Nintendo have said 'this feels like we are leaving our parents' home' or something, regarding how it is the first Nintendo home system where every part of the experience is a Nintendo product (no TV required).
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I think this is one of my favorite aspects of this system. An actually portable home console. I will be taking the entire system in my backpack quite a bit to play it wherever I can plug it up.

Edit: I clarified it for some of you.
 
TheCongressman1 said:
I think this is one of my favorite aspects of this system. An actually portable home console. I will be taking it in my backpack quite a bit...
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Except that it's also been stated that the controller can only be a certain distance away from the console to play games.
I don't know if it's been said that you can put smaller games (like, say, WiiWare or VC games) on it and actually take it with you to play these games on the go.
 
Oddduck said:
I thought you need to be near the Wii U to play games on the controller. I don't think you can take it outside.
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Bjoern the Smexy said:
Except that it's also been stated that the controller can only be a certain distance away from the console to play games.
I don't know if it's been said that you can put smaller games (like, say, WiiWare or VC games) on it and actually take it with you to play these games on the go.
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I will take it, the system: console, power cable, and controller, in my backpack quite often. I didn't think I needed to spell it out. Geez, guys.
 
HylianTom said:
I dunno.. I kinda think they were funny, in a shake-my-head, "really..? really?" kind of way.

Think of it as a sneak-preview of the festivities to come around E3 - but imagine many more folks popping out of the woodwork, all spouting the same talking points, almost as though they had just received their morning memo all at the same time. :)
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To be fair, this applies to both sides really:

jump_button said:
Wii U and Nextbox will be close in so call power as things are right now but they have room for a bit more the Wii U will be like what the 360 is to ps3

the troll want to give everyone the mind set that it will be more like wii is to ps3 just like this gen
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DragonSworne said:
Watch Xbox720 be less graphically capable than people expect because it will need to power the Kinect 2.0.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Wii U and Xbox 720 are similar in graphical power.
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I don't see the thread jumping on these people and correcting them.

jump_button said:
Both will be (PC in a Box) less then £300 and out within a year of the other, so the both should be alike when devs try make games for them both
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You're ignoring: fabrication process (28nm vs. 40nm/45nm), casing size which leads to limitations of how fast hardware can be, transistor counts, and more.

Basically you're mistaken.
 
Castle adds: “Labelling 3DS a ‘headache machine’ was textbook scaremongering. The real problems Nintendo needs to learn from were the ludicrous pricing and the confusion between DS and 3DS. 3DS followed four iterations of DS – it was all too easy to mistake it for a fifth. No wonder we hear rumblings about regional Nintendo offices wanting to change Wii U’s name.”
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http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/analysis-nintendo-3ds-one-year-on/093295

Interesting...
I wonder if Nintendo HQ is listening.
 
TheCongressman1 said:
I will take it, the system: console, power cable, and controller, in my backpack quite often. I didn't think I needed to spell it out. Geez, guys.
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You said, "An actually portable home console".

Taking the console, power cables, controller with you everywhere you go is no more portable than any taking any other console on the go.

lol
 
Oddduck said:
You said, "An actually portable home console".

Taking the console, power cables, controller with you everywhere you go is no less portable than any taking any other console on the go.

lol
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With this all you need is the power cable and an outlet. With a wii, you need all of the cables, controllers, and on top of that, a TV. Seems a little more portable, don't you think? Set the backpack down, plug in the system and game. It's pretty simple to understand.

Of course I don't think this method would be practical for everyone, but it's something that wouldn't bother me. Taking 3 items to have console quality games anywhere you can find an outlet, that's awesome.
 
E3 2012

EVERY SINGLE MULTI PLATFORM GAME WILL BE COMPARED TO WIIU GAMES

So if you think Nintendo are going to deliver a system that journos can rip on before it's out the door, you're all as stupidly psychotic as BurntPork was.

I expect a very very noticeable difference in graphic fidelity. They need to steal E3.

I also expect that very few devs (The ones that actually keep quiet), actually have the current dev kits (The ones that get called out to Japan and come back silent)
The rest will get them at E3 or just before, to bump up graphics in the run up to launch.

I can't believe we're still having these pages of silliness, bought upon by a few words, latched upon by the trolls, suckling at the teat of despair and doom.

Nintendo couldn't keep Wii going as it couldn't get multi-platform games due to graphics issues.
Will they want to go there again???
 
MDX said:
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/analysis-nintendo-3ds-one-year-on/093295

Interesting...
I wonder if Nintendo HQ is listening.
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The Wii brand name is associated with casual gamers and will not be taken serious by many hardcore gamers.

Hardcore gamers will just think "Oh god, not another Wii".

I think Nintendo needs to rebrand themselves and their image if they want to get the hardcore gamer market. A new name for their console would be the right direction.
 
Eh, even if the Wii U versions look better, it will not be reported as such at all.

Do you not remember when the footage reel last year was "Looks like launch 360 games" or "Looks worse than PS3/360 footage"?
 
Wolfie5 said:
We should quote this in every page
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Mods should be able to make posts that will be displayed at the top of each page or something like that.
It really sums up (and foreshadowed) nicely what happens in this thread.

whathilyfuckshiiiiitwhyeverythingsucks

Ideaman you cheeky little thing, spill the goods, Ideaman zoll de bomben draapen!
 
Whoa, whoa calm down people, why can't we just wait to judge it at E3? You can speculate what you wan't, weaker, on par, stronger, but don't state it as a fact, at least at this point in time.
 
J-Rock said:
A horrible smell led me to this thread. How do you guys handle it in here?
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Don't worry. Most of us are in fact rather hygenic. It seems that when a comparison happens between Wii U and either the currrent HD Twins or Sony's or MS's next generation consoles, then those smelly buggers emerge to claim doom and gloom.
 
AzaK said:
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I agree. Journalists this gen just pissed on the Wii and essentially ignored it unless they really had to talk about it (Skyward Sword for instance). Terms like waggle became commonplace and it was just conspicuous in its absence from discusssions compared to the other consoles. Nintendo themselves were derided and laughed at and it feels like in one generation Nintendo became lepers. It could be just that I started following the scene more this generation that I noticed it, but the hate was pretty obvious.
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Yeah, gaming journalism is dead. Barely any of the major gaming sites or blogs could be described as actually participating in journalism. What they write has less to do with informing us about our hobby and more to do with trying to impress the reader with how jaded and dismissive they can act. This blasé, self-entitled attitude has bred a generation of "hardcore" gamers who have little appreciation for what constitutes good game design or graphics, let alone the incredible amount of work that goes into making games. They think that just as long as a console has the "power to handle them", tons of incredibly life-like games will just magically appear, and studios won't go bankrupt in the process. Thanks, gaming media - way to keep people's expectations in check.
 
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